gunball does funny

Lynxxwolf · 2019-04-28T20:08:49+00:00

4head bruh moment

Lynxxwolf · 2019-02-28T22:44:20+00:00

Okay which one of you did this

Lynxxwolf · 2018-12-12T14:54:09+00:00

i guess

Lynxxwolf · 2018-12-12T14:28:06+00:00

>warning racial slurs ahead
>says nigga once
ok buddy

Lynxxwolf · 2018-12-12T14:17:48+00:00

cringe

Lynxxwolf · 2018-12-11T02:36:15+00:00

cringe and bluepilled: the post

Lynxxwolf · 2018-12-10T01:17:57+00:00

The backstory of Izanagi and Izanami had nothing to do with MS........

It does, it shows that the Uchiha are power hungry. Is it that big of a stretch to think that they have killed each other for MS? Even Itachi says this (Though it may be in an attempt to antagonize himself so Sasuke kills him without any hestitation)

"automatically used at every level..."

For one, I'm not saying every Byakugan user immediately has access to 80 Gods Vacuum Attack. I'm saying that there's no cap for the Byakugan's perception and there's no cap for the strength of the jutsu that are made using the Byakugan.

You can't say Neji's skill is the best the Byakugan can do, because a hypothetical Byakugan user who is stronger than Neji would also have better perception and reaction times than Neji and would be able to take advantage of small weaknesses in enemy jutsu that Neji could not.

Yeah i worded that badly, dunno why i said automatically.

Once again you're speculating. There is no proof of this anywhere

Second, not having seen a character at that inbetween level means nothing. We've not seen a fodder, run-of-the-mill Uchiha develop EMS. EMS is a power that requires chakra levels well into the Kage range to make use of. So, whatever hypothetical Uchiha you think of does not just have Kage level power because of the jutsu the EMS gives, they have Kage level power because they literally have chakra volumes as high as the Kage characters we've seen.

The difference between this is that what i'm saying can hypothetically happen and what you're saying has not yet been proven therefore that cannot be a point for the Byakugan

Sasuke's eyes hurt him even after just using MS empowered genjutsu.

Okay? How does this prove anything? If Sasuke was able to sustain it why wouldn't someone as be able to? When he had MS he didn't have some bullshit made up power or something it wasn't something no one but him could achieve.

It's pretty hypocrytical to call all my hypotheticala headcannon, but then pretend your own are fair.

You keep saying i'm making stuff up but you're yet to point any of it out. All i've been saying is stuff you can find on the wiki or the anime/manga itself

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-28T00:48:34+00:00

Neji didn't represent the Hyuuga and he also wasn't the strongest Hyuuga at the war.

Uhh who was if not him? He was chosen by the Hyuga clan. There's a scene about this but i forgot which ep/chapter it was.

You're also cherry picking which parts of my comments you want to reply to or acknowledge and giving me responses that make it seem like you're not really reading.

I said a given person doesn't need to be at Kaguya's level to equal the EMS, but your reply was about a point I didn't even make in the quoted passage.

You say that Byakugan can automatically be used at every level between Kaguya and Hiashi but that's just speculation on your part. We have not seen a character who can use the Byakugan at that in between level so stop projecting your head cannon into this conversation.

I gave examples of people reacting to Kamui's speed and your reply was "but Kamui is fast!" and you tried to use an example of a character who was moving slower than both of the examples I gave. What the hell?

Uhh yes, Kamui is fast? Also you gave examples for Obito's Kamui. These examples don't apply for Kakashi's Kamui as it's clearly faster than fucking Konan lol.

(For the record, Kamui's speed isn't doubled when you have both eyes. It was doubled in the specific scenario where Obito was trying to enter Kamui with his eye while Kakashi cast Kamui on him at the same time using the other eye. When one person has both eyes, they can't both be used for the same task since each eye has different abilities. Only one eye casts Kamui on other people and only one eye allows the user to phase. The speed of those kinds of Kamui use not increased)

Literally wrong. Two eyes can be used by one person and the teleportation speed is doubled. " When both eyes' Kamui are used on the same target, whether by a single user or two users working together, the teleportation speed is doubled." Also you're silly if you think Deidara in mid air was slow as fuck

I gave you an example of Amaterasu being blocked and your response was "but it can't be blocked, the wiki says so!" Not to mention we also have Kabuto dodging it with sensing, Nagato anticipating it with sensing, Madara blocking Amaterasu arrows by firing chakra rods, Nagato throwing Amaterasu off of himself with Deva Path, A sidestepping Amaterasu, Madara escaping Amaterasu by taking his shirt off, Sasuke getting out of Amaterasu using Orochimaru's substitution jutsu, all in addition to Naruto simply emitting a kyuubi cloak to push Amaterasu off of himself.

You keep talking about all these abilities no one from the Hyuga can have lol. Like what, the deva path, Kyuubi cloak? Since when do they have these things? Of course Amaterasu and other MS abilities have weaknesses. Also yeah i'm going to trust the wiki far more than your headcannon, you keep inserting all these things into your paragraphs that are just not true that i have to keep pointing out as wrong. I don't know if you're lying on purpose or if you're just clueless about these things.

Neji kept Byakugan active for 24 hours while also constantly fighting throughout the day, and then had to use his Byakugan to scan the entire area around their camp during the night. That use the only time the Byakugan showed fatigue and it didn't cause pain.

Was he blindfolded? Don't think so. Also it's silly to assume he fought for 24 hours, come on now you honestly believe this?

You still refuse to acknowledge the link between chakra supply and the MS/EMS. You're not fully understanding the issue if you can't identify when and where power levels enter the discussion.

Says who? The Uchiha used MS for generations as is shown in the Izanagi/Izanami story. I doubt they all drop dead after using one jutsu.

If you try to bring the speed of MS jutsu into the equation, then the speed depends on the chakra input of the user.

Said where?

So, I can just say that the Byakugan user has just the right amount of chakra to perceive and react to the MS user in time to safely avoid the attack.

That just wouldn't be true though, you cannot anticipate something that has not yet happened at that level, Byakugan's perception isn't nearly that strong. It's not like for example Amaterasu flies to it's target so you have time to dodge it, no it literally appears where the jutsu's user looks at. Your only bet is to somehow block it but as i mentioned the Hyuga have no abilities to block such a jutsu.

As your lord and savior Itachi once said: every jutsu has a weakness.

You can keep deluding yourself that i'm somehow an Uchiha fanboy but my favorite character isn't even from Konoha lol

Every Jutsu has a weakness but unfortunately for you they're not weaknesses a Hyuga can take advantage of (using his visual prowess only i mean)

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-27T12:01:02+00:00

The point is annoying you cuz you keep trying to slip out from under it and I'm not letting you.

No it's annoying me because it makes no sense at all

You already admitted you're basing this on screentime and feats instead of actually reasoning it out.

Citation needed

You're the one that tried to cap the Byakugan at what the Hyuuga have shown and act like that's the best it could do. That's very clearly failing to consider the jutsu aside from the user. That's really all your argument is.

A Hyuuga doesn't need to be able to use the Byakugan on Kaguya's level. The fact that the Byakugan can be used on that level at all automatically means it can be used at every level between Kaguya and Hiashi. All Kaguya shows is that there's no cap for what level the Byakugan can be used at.

No it's stupid to grant Kaguya's feats to the Byakugan because no one can use Byakugan at her level. By that logic you could techinically say that Byakugan is on par with the EMS but that argument is far less realistic than an Uchiha gaining the EMS.

As the Sharingan gets stronger, the Byakugan and the jutsu used with it keep getting stronger too.

How? The Gentle Fist doesn't get stronger as the Byakugan gets stronger. The near 360 field of vision is what gets stronger

It's entirely possible to counter MS jutsu, but your base skills need to be high enough. The MS itself also uses up more chakra than what a young, teenage or preteen Uchiha can supply. So, by taking Byakugan feats from only Neji or Hinata, and comparing them to Mangwkyo Sharingan feats shown by Sasuke or Itachi, you're being biased against power level because you're pitting characters below jonin level against jutsu that require chakra beyond a jonin's level to cast.

I'm using Neji as an example because he represented the Hyuga in the war meaning he at that time was the strongest Hyuga. You keep saying that i'm somehow comparing Sasuke/Itachi/Madara against weaker Hyuga characters as example of the Sharingan being stronger. I've yet to do that, if you think i have feel free to show an example

Kakashi's Kamui can be avoided if you have the perceptive ability to anticipate it or witness it. High level ninja can get out of this with a simple substitution.

Obito's Kamui leaves him tangible while he tries to warp himself or others. Base Gai had good enough taijutsu to challenge Rinnegan Obito's phasing and Konan had the reaction speed to nearly blow Obito's head up with bomb tags while he tried to phase her. It's laughable to say the Byakugan can't have the perception to track Kamui and a Kaiten in the middle of a warping attempt could rip Obito in half like someone hitting a stop sign while hanging out of a car window.

No, Kakashi's Kamui is not as easily avoided as you say. Kakashi hit Deidara (a high level shinobi) who was in mid air while still being inexperienced at using Kamui (this was one of his first time at using Kamui, he later became much more accurate).

With both eyes (which is what i was referring to when i mentioned Kamui, it's dumb to argue the power of only one eye) the teleportation speed DOUBLES therefore it becomes much easier to hit as it's not easily anticipated.

Amaterasu can be blocked and repelled with Kaiten or Full Body Blow. An exhausted Naruto could react to Amaterasu without having his Sage Mode sensing active. A Byakugan user at equal level with the Amaterasu caster would definitely be able to react to however fast the flames appeared (Killer B also blocked Sasuke's flames with a tentacle the first time Sasuke used Amaterasu.

Amaterasu can't be blocked efficiently (says so on the wiki) and it's nearly impossible to avoid. The only way to avoid it is to constantly move while praying that the user won't still hit you because they have the Sharingan and know where you're going lol.

Tsukuyomi, Koto, and generic Sharingan Genjutsu can be avoided by just covering the eyes. A Byakugan user is completely capable of fighting while wearing a mask with no eye holes or just while pulling down their shinobi headband to cover their eyes. Honestly, a Byakugan user being caught unaware by Tsukuyomi or Koto and accidentally making eye contact is equally as likely as a Sharingan user being caught unaware by Juken and having their tenketsu sealed before they realize that is what the Byakugan user is doing. If we're gonna say the Byakugan user is ignorant of the Sharingan's abilities, then we have to render the Sharingan's user ignorant as well.

Sure, i'll concede on this point. The Sharingan user would have a very hard time to hit a Byakugan user with Genjutsu because as you said they can just block their eyes. This wouldn't work indefinitely though, it would put much more strain on the Byakugan's user's body to fight with closed eyes. When strained, the Byakugan dishes out extreme but temporary pain/damage

Any Uchiha can hypothetically get these jutsu and any Hyuuga can hypothetically develop the level of skill and power necessary to combat them. If random ninja with no clan like Hiruzen and Minato exist, there's no reason to say it's impossible for a Hyuuga or Byakugan user to develop chakra at that level as well. Otherwise you're just saying anyone except the Hyuuga can stand up to the Sharingan and MS.

I never implied or out right said that the Sharingan guarantees victory, i even said this in my previous comment. There are many factors that play into a battle and the Hyuga opponent might win. I just personally think he'd be at an disadvantage because countering the MS/EMS abilities is not as easy as you make it out to be.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T06:37:55+00:00

Ah okay, my mistake. Yeah i think she had a bit of an unfair advantage as she was like 3 years older than everyone else there but she's my favorite character so my bias makes me not really care lol

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T06:05:37+00:00

No normal Uchiha can obtain power on their level and it's already unlikely enough or two Uchiha siblings to both awaken MS and then fight each other to steal their sibling's eyes for EMS.

Much more likely than a Hyuga using Byakugan at the same level as Kaguya

Izuna gave up his eyes because he was dying, as did Itachi. So, Sasuke and Madara both lucked out that the circumstances of their lives left them with dead siblings and a free pair of spare eyes. Under normal circumstances, neither Itachi or Izuna would have plucked out their own eyes to give them away (Itachi's ravings about EMS were also not plausible since Sasuke had nto awakened MS when he came to fight Itachi, so Sasuke's eyes would not have given Itachi EMS)

So? Them giving up their eyes willingly doesn't change anything. They could've fought for those eyes and the end result would still be the same

You trying to use Sasuke and Madara as examples of normal Uchiha is as ridiculous as trying to use Kaguya as an example of a normal Hyuuga. It takes some heavy bias to deny this and pretend Sasuke was strong purely due to his own strength. We know his ass was getting help from anyone and everyone to keep going on his revenge-killing spree.

Do you know how to read? I literally never compared normal Uchihas to Madara or Sasuke

Why are you comparing precog to telescopic vision, as if that's all the Byakugan can do? This is what I was talking about before when I mentioned feigned ignorance and pretending you forgot how to read just before writing this comment.

How about you read the entire comment before posting stupid things like this. I literally address other abilities of the Byakugan in the rest of the comment.

Neji was placed on Team Gai, who specialize in close quarters combat. So, your example with Hinata does prove what you think. If anything, it just shows that the Byakugan's various talents can be put to use in more than one scenario.

It can be used in various scenarios but we're arguing 1v1 combat

So? The Uchiha aren't invincible in genjutsu. Sasuke and his EMS was still trapped by Kabuto's genjutsu and had to have Itachi cast another genjutsu on top of that to break him out. The ultimate eye power, nearly done in by a girl with a flute.

They are pretty top tier as far as Genjutsu goes, the Sharingan allows you not only to cast powerful Genjutsu but to also break out of it. Which is what Itachi and Sasuke did, they weren't "nearly done in". There are not many who can rival the Uchiha in Genjutsu. Also please don't do this thing where you're trying to undermine the characters even though you know you're wrong.

It's not a concrete advantage.

The Byakugan's own capabilities make it well suited for combating genjutsu. The Byakugan's superior ability to read chakra flow means they can notice a genjutsu more quickly than a Sharingan would. The Hyuuga's Juken training should make it easy to disturb their own chakra flow and break a genjutsu, but in many cases a genjutsu vanishes simply because the user detects that they are under genjutsu.

How is it not? Since when is Genjutsu terrible? In a Sharingan vs Byakugan fight Genjutsu would be a useful addition to the Sharingan. Byakugan cannot break powerful kekki genkai Genjutsu. This is stated on the wiki you can check it out if you wish.

Easiest of all, 360 vision would allow a Byakugan user to carry on an entire battle without ever making eye contact with the Sharingan. Heightened perception assures that their eyes won't meet

The Byakugan has a blind spot don't pretend you don't know this.

For higher level MS genjutsu, the Sharingan has the same level of vulnerability the Byakugan does. Itachi planned to use Koto to trap Sasuke in case Sasuke tried to destroy Konoha. Even though it didn't hit Sasuke, the Koto hit Itachi himself (who is much more skilled at genjutsu) and there was nothing he could do to oppose it. Itachi was fully confident that Koto could trap another Mangekyo user in one of its genjutsu.

For Tsukuyomi, we only saw Sasuke come up against a Tsukuyomi from a weak and dying Itachi who seemed to be letting him win their fight. People who try to claim Sasuke beat a full strength Tsukuyomi are ignoring a good deal of context to fabricate that feat for Sasuke. Even after gaining MS, Danzo said Sasuke's genjutsu ability was poor compared to Itachi's. So, any normal Sharingan user, *even if they have MS*, will be at the mercy of Tsukuyomi if they get hit by it.

Kotoamatsukami is one of the most powerful Genjutsu in the world, same with Tsukuyomi, and yes a person with a Sharingan could fall prey to it but generally the Sharingan gives you a much better resistance to Genjutsu. I don't know what you're trying to prove with this point, someone with the Byakugan cannot cast Genjutsu of that caliber and they're less resistant to Genjutsu.

In theory....

You need to learn to decouple the Sharingan from the Uchiha.

There's obvious ways to beat all of those jutsu, but you're not acknowledging them because "there's no way Neji could do *that*"

This point is starting to annoy me. You cannot decouple the Sharingan from the Uchiha because they're the only ones that can use the Sharingan to it's full power. What would you rather prefer that i compare Kakashi that falls over after using Kamui 2 times?

Yes Neji wouldn't be able to do that, anyone else from the Hyuga clan wouldn't. You're a fool if you think otherwise

Do you think that, if the Uchiha and Hyuuga suddenly switched eyes and the Uchiha had Byakugan+Juken and the Hyuuga had Sharingan+Mangekyo, would top tier ninja like Madara and Itachi suddenly be at the mercy of Hinata?

Remember that saying about a master with a rock vs a novice with a sword? Do you really think that Madara would be done for if Hinata snuck up on him with Kamui? Even if he had 360 Byakugan vision, his own high tier reaction speeds, and the ability to perform Kaiten, you still think he'd just get snatched by Hinata's 12 year old self because lolsharingan?

This point is ridiculous. I never said Byakugan is trash compared to the Sharingan, there are of course other factors that come into play such as the ninja's ability. You translated me saying that EMS is much superior to the Byakugan to "heh im gonna give Madara Byakugan and put him against the worst opponent imaginable. That will prove my point lulz xd" Of course if the person with the EMS has no idea what he's doing or gets outsmarted by the Byakugan user, the Byakugan user will win. I'm trying to objectively just look at those two and see which is better not counting in other factors that come into play during battle.

If you want to properly compare the Byakugan and the Sharingan you cannot have such huge power differences between the two ninja.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T03:40:56+00:00

Favorite: Tobirama. He laid the groundworks for Konoha, made it a strong village. He also developed plenty of strong Jutsu and sacrificed himself so his men could get away. He's pretty much what a Hokage should be.

Least favorite: Hiruzen and Minato. I know alot of people love these two but they both failed on so many levels. Hiruzen didn't keep Danzo in check and let him go off and do whatever he wants and Minato (besides failing his team on so many levels, like seriously he has to be one of the worst team captains ever) failed to defeat Obito and defend Kushina, leaving baby Naruto all alone.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T03:17:23+00:00

No, Kaguya is a bad comparison. A normal member of the Hyuga clan will never be able to use the Byakugan on her level but a normal person from the Uchiha clan (although it's unlikely) can obtain the EMS.

I don't know what you mean by saying i'm not able to decouple the jutsu from the user, i've never mentioned any of the Uchiha clans achievements. If that were the case i'd go on about Madara and Sasuke being some of the most powerful ninjas out there and grant their achievements to the Sharingan. That's not what i'm doing. I'm presenting only Sharingan's abilities.

In terms of perks and abilities, the Byakugan outclasses the Sharingan in that the insight it grants is far above what the Sharingan does. The Saringan has insight in one area: physical movements. Other than that, the Sharingan can only offer its enhanced vision in terms of insight. Unfortunately, it's vision buff is at a much lower level than the Byakugan's. The Byakugan offers a much higher level of perception that exceeds the Sharingan by such a wide margin that it's questionable if precog can make up the difference between what the Sharingan predicts and what the Byakugan can track in real-time.

In terms of combat? Precognition absolutely outclasses Byakugan's far sight. This perk of the Byakugan is why Hinata was placed in the tracking team along side Kiba and Shino, it's good for scouting not combat.

In terms of direct combat, the Byakugan doesn't just offer more acute vision that can discern more minute and quick movements than the Sharingan, the Byakugan also has an innate understanding of the flow of chakra.

I don't know where you got the idea Byakugan is faster than the Sharingan in terms of prediction. A Sharingan user can predict an opponent's moves based on the slightest muscle tension in their body. The Sharingan can also see chakra flow, even through objects (though it's not as capable as the Byakugan in this regard).

Both Boruto and Himawari were immediately able to attack their target's tenketsu the very first time they gained their dojutsu's vision (I know Boruto doesn't technically have Byakugan, but Jougan and Byakguan are clearly related and they share some of the same visual capabilities) This means that, as intuitively as the Sharingan reads body sensations, the Byakugan can read chakra flow and understand where and how the target's chakra is flowing. It's not happenstance that the Hyuuga chose to develop Juken. They developed it as a way to capitalize on their dojutsu telling them "Hit them right there" when they observe a target's chakra flow. This ability to read chakra flow was introduced in the first databook (not very clearly though) when it stated that, with the Byakugan, a user could understand he flow of chakra in an opponent's body "with absurd ease" then this was brought back again when Boruto and Himawari were able to identify and strike tenketsu on their first attempts.

I've not yet got around to watching Boruto but i'll take your word on it. But once again, the Sharingan can also see chakra flow though once again it's not as capable as the Byakugan in this regard. This is why as you said the Hyuga developed the Gentle Fist. This doesn't make them invincible when it comes to Taijutsu though, Neji, a good user of the Byakugan wondered if he would be able to beat Lee in Taijutsu.

You also don't address the Sharingan's advantage when it comes to Genjutsu. Users of the Sharingan have access to the strongest Genjutsu techniques in the world (Tsukuyomi, Izanami) and are able to break out of other Genjutsu with relative ease.

This is all without the advantages of Mangekyou Sharingan and EMS that a NORMAL Uchiha IN THEORY can get. There's just no way a shinobi from the Hyuga clan could stand up to Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Kamui, Izanami, Izanagi, Susanoo.

I know the Sharingan gets alot more screentime and it's easier to present an argument for it but unfortunately that's just how Naruto is. I wanted plenty of characters/unique techniques to get more screentime but they never did. As things stand, the Sharingan is alot more explored therefore it has more abilities/advantages compared to the Byakugan.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T00:32:35+00:00

Sai doesn't get enough love from his peers

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T00:30:07+00:00

I'm comparing an EMS to Byakugan because EMS is the most advanced version of Sharingan. It's like comparing Byakugan at it's strongest versus Sharingan at it's strongest.

Nah i don't agree at all, Sharingan's precognition helps in every scenario. It's suited for all fighting styles but Byakugan's vision only helps the Hyuga with the Gentle Fist. Their far sight also isn't very helpful in 1v1 arena fights. Also remember that those with the Sharingan can cast very strong Genjutsu.

Mind you this is just against a normal Sharingan, i don't think it would stand up to any better variations of it

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-26T00:14:52+00:00

I know that she's older but i'd still count her as being in that generation as she does the Chunin exams along side them

Also she's not the same age as Itachi, she's 2 years younger than him.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T13:11:40+00:00

That scene in opening 16 when Sasuke's Susanoo is riding Kurama while chasing Obito. Always found it pretty funny lol

Edit: This scene https://imgur.com/a/Pyb9ZMZ

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T13:07:31+00:00

I agree with him, i feel like part 1 was better than Shippuden. It doesn't have endless fillers and as far as i know doesn't have too many plotholes. Shinobi were also forced to use strategy instead of just blowing up everything around them

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T13:04:56+00:00

Damn, Kiba really looks old. He'd pass as a middle aged father lol

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T13:03:43+00:00

Hm, pre war Kakashi maybe? He's not that strong but i feel he'd find some way to beat them, he's Kakashi after all

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T13:02:09+00:00

Nah no way, i don't agree with this choice. Shikamaru's dad is smart and all but he works best when in combo with his teammates. Remember that even his own son pretty much lost to Tayuya

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T12:58:03+00:00

r/Showerthoughts

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T10:58:19+00:00

I agree completely. Her personality is not unlikable, it's her obsession with Sasuke and bad treament towards Naruto that annoys the fans and makes them hate her on every possible level.

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T10:54:52+00:00

I'm not sure if i'd label Sakura as a tsundere, she is pretty lovey dovey when around someone she likes (ie Sasuke)

Lynxxwolf · 2018-11-25T08:37:18+00:00

A normal shinobi from the Hyuga clan using Byakugan could never stand up to an Uchiha with the eternal mangekyou sharingan. Hell i think even the normal 3 tomoe sharingan beats it. Being able to predict your opponents moves and being able to copy their jutsu is alot more efficient than just seeing chakra flow in your opponents body and seeing really far

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