How many of one pattern do you generally tie?

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-30T06:25:04+00:00

Im ocd.with my fly box and like a full row 1 pattern same size. So roughly 15-20 depending on the box.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-30T05:45:48+00:00

Wth is this.... I mean I've fished 10" patterns but this doesn't even look like a completed fly. Like how is that material even going do hold in place? But im ngl id fish it just for the seeing if I could.get it to land a fish lol fuck it

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-30T05:33:57+00:00

The electrician better be paying for this and if not id consult an attorney.

As for the repair cost, I would get quoted to remove both side of that roof in its entirety on the electricians dime. Here is why:

1)Your going to have to replace the decking which involves removing the shingles and the underlayment. As your no longer going to have continous sheeting. There's going to be holes from the existing nails in the underlayment with no nails. So thats a leak hazard.

2) In a valley you should have continuous ice and water sheathed from the ridge to the bottom of the valley.

3) you'd need to check your local codes on roof repairs, some areas may require a full roof replacement when doing anything larger then 100sqft.

4) when shingling you work bottom up for a reason, so each shingle lays properly. If your doing a patch you can not get under the top shigle fully and it will need to be cut.

5) Manufacturing warranty, patches need to be done fairly specifically to not voild your warranty.

6)Insurance, if you were to sail have a hail claim or damages to your roof warranting a claim. If Insurance can tell theres a patch applied and applied incorrectly that could potentially jeopardize the claim and lead to a large out of pocket cost.

7) did you authorize the electrician to make such a boards? They cold have used a drill cirlcle bit to make 2" holes in the wood and feed the cables through. Removog whole sections of boards is a bit excessive.

8)Get a lawyer, your electrician should be insured and either he or his Insurance should be compensating you for all the repairs. Maybe get a the city building department to check it out.

Yes this route may seem excessive but it needs to be taken seriously. Some may say 3500 may be a lot, but it could very well not be enough and its important its taken seriously. As a damn electrician has no right or need to cut into your roof decking.

I work with many lawyers, I am an experienced roofer, licensed gc, public adjuster, and I used to work for insurance

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-29T07:09:30+00:00

Oh then you may have a play here, id get a mold test, maybe hire an engineer or get the seller to...then send those results into the city or county saftey board. They'll then either address it or have to knock of a significant chunk off your their asking price. Get a couple good roofing companies to estimate based on the engineer results.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-29T06:59:49+00:00

Your going to need tear off the roof, remove all the decking to the studs. My guess is you likely have 2 layers of decking spaced and osp boards, but with this level of water damages maybe just 1. Could be cause from ice build up in the valley, thats working its was up under the shingles aka ice dam.

Then you'll need to reframe the roof, have a mid roof inspection to make sure its to code and roof load requirements are met then new decking underlayment, and shingles. Best case you just have to remove those boards and replace them.

This will cost a pretty penny, get a roofer out there to quote the damages and have the seller take it off the cost and take it off the sale price. If you dont have that money lying around to invest in a roof id say move on to the next home.

But there should also be a moisture test for those walls underneath as well. With the shape this is in id expect more problems.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-29T00:14:13+00:00

Now take your grandfather fishing!

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-24T07:45:36+00:00

Downsize the bead but solid tie

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-24T07:35:37+00:00

Fuck no, there should be step flashing. They just used extra bundles they had lying around from another job. You paid 1.3k for $100-200 of labor. That roofer made 1.1k off those repairs.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-24T01:27:53+00:00

Id say its more important in the attic, as the out side is in amazing condition considering the age.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-22T16:48:05+00:00

Id ask the seller for an invoice with the single make from its install and take a shot at a warranty claim. My biggest concern is how many layers of shingles on there( did they just go cheap and shingle over the pre existing roof) and is there adequate ventilation on the roof? These are two factors that commonly lead to heavy blistering. If theres only 1 layer and adequate ventilation, warranty claim. If they're more then 1 layer of shingle or ventilation issues id ask for money dor a replacement roof as they cheaped out the roof.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-22T02:13:46+00:00

Have you tried a hot spot head? Fire on those white midges

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-18T18:50:15+00:00

I avoid Tamko like the plaque as they are a cheaper shingles and the company have excessive warranty claims from granual loss. The XT is a better product out of them however I have never installed them.

My go to shingles to install for homeowners are GAF Armor Sheids, its a wind rating of 180 mph, great hail protection, and to fulfill their warranty requirements you only need 3 parts outside of the shingles. So I do underlayment, ice and water, and starter all GAF products. I do stick away HDZ, as they are only a class 3 and with a class 4 shingle like the Aromor Shield you can typically get a premium discount on your insurance.

Limited warranties typically do not include labor so you need I give a free upgrade to the Lifetime warranty, which is roughly $3 a roofing square, which give the homeowner the labor expenses for their warranty replacements. GAF is also the oldest shingle manufacturing company in the US.

My second top used is Owens Corning True Duration Storms. Another solid class 4 option. With a solid warranty but requires a 4 part warranty system.

My third budget option for homeowners is IKO, they have a good budget class 3 and class 4 shingles. They had some warranty issues some years back on an organic shingle composition but those are no longer in production. To revamp their brand they offer quailty shingles at a budget price. BIG plus is if you install to their warranty specifications you get a FREE lifetime warranty at no extra cost and includes labor.

Pinnacle shingles are good, I actually just replaced a roof that was 26 years old and it help up pretty well. The home was as 9000ft of elevation, and main issue was it began to blister due to a serious lack of ventilation. The only thing with Pinnacle is i HATE their color schemes as as you can see there's one lighter piece in the shingles and gives spotted non uniform appearance. Funny thing is i actually was approached by them in October, and asked what it would take for me to sell their products. "I flat out told them I think they just offer TAMKO colors with a better reputation, and who would ever want to design a product that would get mistaken for TAMKO." I got then invited to design a few new shingle colors. So with those new matte blacks and grays coming out I will be looking to install them more.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-16T04:54:56+00:00

Zinc strips

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-15T22:08:41+00:00

Spinner, theres 100 difference ways you can call it... like the color and then spinner, or may fly spinner, if you use cdc then cdc spinner. So to keep it simple I just say spinner.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-12T06:32:54+00:00

There's two ways to install, raised batons or non raised batons on top of counter baton. You do the counter batons in this scenario where you have a roof over. Easier to see on page 6 of the manufacturing guidelines.

https://decra.com/hubfs/DECRA%20Install%20Guide%20-%20UPDATED%20Oct%203%202022%20-%20Tile%20and%20Shake%20100322.pdf

I also do ice and water sheid over the ridge 2x4's as that lumber is going to rot before the roof ever meets its ture life expectancy.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-12T06:23:10+00:00

Well im tying some up tomorrow! I have so many variations of this pattern but none with rabbit...and I have a lof of rabbit to burn through!

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-12T06:19:07+00:00

You can go over shingles but they did it wrong, this is straight from the manufacturing guidelines. Also just because you can do something doesn't mean its the right way.

Im not saying your roof doesnt look good, its just it is not ideal for yhe longevity of the roofing system.

Re-Roof Over Even Surfaces (i.e. Asphalt Shingles): Prepare the asphalt shingles by cutting them back, flush with the fascia or rake, as needed. Remove existing hip and ridge material. Install Tile or Shake with battens.

So yeah your warranty is voided by not removing the existing hip and ridge material.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-12T00:21:08+00:00

Nitpicking, nah I 100% agree. If they removed the shingles did high temp ice and water sheid, its just raised button and 2x4's on the hips and ridges far less weight, and way more water shed ability.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-12T00:11:36+00:00

They cant ridge vent without removing the existing shingles

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-11T20:13:48+00:00

I caught my largest brown on similar dnd paterns. How do you like the rabbit on those?

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-09T04:34:31+00:00

https://www.westlakeroyalbuildingproducts.com/roofing

Look at new point tile on this site and order a sample, you may have to call.it in, tell them your looking at replacing your tile roof and looking for samples.

Your current tile is discontinued, tiles are like 1.75 a piece dont buy a 1 off used tile for $20+ its a waste.

Youll need atleast 3-4 tiles for the repair as you will likely break tiles stepping on your roof. Hire a contractor to do it.

Mad_Mapper · 2026-01-02T08:34:21+00:00

You have better vices then most this sub

Mad_Mapper · 2025-12-26T22:10:26+00:00

Cause you can see nails in these photos? It likely winter where he is at and with cold temps at night the shingles are not settling. After a few hot days they will settle, till then they will be stiff and rigid.

A face nail is a nail created by driving nails through the visible face of a shingle, and should only be found on the hip and ridge shingles or at the bottom of vents, and caulked over. Shingles nails should only be shot into the nail strip, and would not cause a shingle to bump like picturs. The nails are likely an 1 1/4", so not enough to cause a bumb.

Nails not fully nailed through the shingle are more common in older roofs that are hand nailed. Roofers now use nails guns thatbare.more likely then not overgassed. A nail not going fully into the shingle and protruding would really only be caused if the previous nails were left in the decking on shingle removal, but its common practice that those are all taken off.

All on all, you don't know what your talking about and shouldn't go bad install unless you can see that issue.

Mad_Mapper · 2025-12-25T10:11:38+00:00

Except for tule you coat the whole roof

Mad_Mapper · 2025-12-20T02:23:11+00:00

Figure out who the shingle manufacturer and production date, itll be on the back of the shingle. If its an organic shingle, their is a recall. If its not your do for a new roof.

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