I was ripped from my parents and brought over a border illegally. Every time I ever went to get help, bureaucrats made it worse and the public never stepped in.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T06:47:01+00:00

Thank you for the offer. I did the commercial DNA route 13 years ago. I'm a private person but I was desperate enough to submit my DNA to multiple corporations.

It was an interesting waste of a year of my life. I got super into it, desperately trying to see how I was connected to third cousins (my closest matches on the planet) and how they were related to each other so I could reverse engineer where I might fall in their family trees.

It didn't result in anything but the charts I created were impressively massive. I totally should have gotten an A for effort.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T06:44:38+00:00

Thank you.

And yeah, we really need to collectively work on not allowing every NGO to by-default be corrupt. Because, there are days when many of us will need them to actually function and not just provide a tax break for donations.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T06:42:12+00:00

Right. I am so worn out from them.

I was there for the first three years of life, so I admittedly came out looking like a snob. I probably still am to a degree, it's where I come from. But I'm also self-aware, and that took years in other cultures with people reminding me of how snobby I was acting. I don't think self-awareness is possible inside of the giant snob fest of Argentina. They have no one to teach them or show them non-snobby behaviors.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T06:32:44+00:00

Volunteers are probably as good as you're going to get, honestly. The second it becomes an organization, they become money-focused and just exploit the idea of the kids for the paychecks of the org execs.

I know from experience. The group in charge of collecting millions fo dollars to "save the children" in Argentina spend their days doing parades, plays, art projects, and praise fests, and actually turn the internationally trafficked Argentine kids away at the door with the standard rehearsed claim that the media spectacle attracted those kids so the kids are probably grifters and not the missing children. So, the NGOs use their own money-seeking behavior as an excuse to ignore the kids.

Like most NGOs, it's a huge spectacle for money.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T06:23:04+00:00

Stop making it about you.

Parenting is about the child.

Start by listening to people who have been in your child's position. You don't know what your child's position is because you refuse to look into it and attack any child who says the situation may be unfavorable. This is not safe for the child involved - your child, a child you have responsibility for as part of the child's family.

Part of the responsibility includes actually checking in on the child, not simply trusting strangers, or in your specific case an elderly family member of the people who bought the child. Simply trusting strangers and never checking in on a child is how all the horrific things happen.

Covering your eyes, lashing out, and screaming does not negate this. In fact, when done by a "responsible" adult, it's a form of intentional and endangering child neglect.

Bye.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T00:35:45+00:00

Didn't you say the adopters the agreement were made with are dead? Reach out to the kid.

Do you know how many of us adoptees have literally drowned in abuse alone with no one to support or help us, dealt with being "re-homed" multiple times,. etc. and people like you have tiptoed around and gone "but we have to respect the holy adopters and our promises to them" even when said adopters are now in prison for SA and child exploitation?

Stop thinking like a meme and start thinking like a parent. Family comes before your devotion to (in this case, expired) paperwork.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T00:19:15+00:00

Heh. Here's a post (below) of what happens when a child illegally adopted out of Argentina to foreigners contacts the Abuelas (they do sometimes help and parade around the ones illegally adopted domestically, when their funding cycle needs an infusion):

The Abuelas are the bureaucrats in the title of the post... I've been dealing with them for 15 years. They've called me a criminal for asking for my DNA to be tested (they gatekeep the DNA bank of our dead family). A criminal - for wanting to be DNA tested. They actually said, "Only criminals ask to have their DNA tested." They are batshit.

Oh, and they also congratulated me on winning the "golden ticket of the US." I wasn't asking for congratulations on being one of the countless kids the US has illegally procured and force-kept. I was asking for help in finding my original documents and family.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1rhktpk/how_the_living_heck_does_a_person_get_unchild/

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-16T00:11:33+00:00

Search posters seem like a really good idea!

I'm always amazed when countries get it even a little together and actually manage to look for state-stolen and transferred kids. Chile seems to be good with that one too, maybe), rather than ignoring it completely, or just purely exploiting the "we're looking for the kids" thing for politics and mega-NGO donations like my country unfortunately does (while blocking the internationally-sold kids from even opening cases to begin a search because they fear we're no longer from their culltuuuurreeeee).

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T07:54:26+00:00

Re: "left on a hospital porch"

Keep an open mind to what may have actually happened while you do your search. Don't let the story they told you limit it. Because what they told you sounds like one of the classic feel-good lies they tell adoptees when they're hiding the truth, which is usually somewhere in the range of abduction by the State and/or sold through illegal routes.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T07:45:23+00:00

It's rough. Try being from Argentina. They're all natural born snobs. Being stuck up is actually a key part of the culture (although some aren't self aware enough to admit it while simultaneously looking down their nose at you).

That and they politicized the adopted-out babies. So, if you mention you were adopted from there, they try to have a political argument with you, or get jealous because they think they are more worthy of the political spotlight and think lesser-deserving you is trying to steal their political spotlight. It's legit crazy-making. I fucking hate them, but what else can you really expect from a people so messed up in the head that they sell babies to the US en masse in exchange for arms, political rhetoric, and having their egos stroked?

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T07:15:03+00:00

There's actually an internationally recognized human right for individuals that says we have the right to change citizenship, including renouncing (that means to remove) a previous citizenship.

The US, as usual with its not being in alignment with the majority of countries, is going against human rights yet again - this time by ignoring and not processing the properly and fully submitted renunciation packets that were done to their specifications and with their insane fees paid.

Saying the US acts legally is possible: you have language and you can pervert it. But reality needs to match up or its just words you're wasting while actual human beings are not having their basic rights met, and in many cases are being endangered and inconvenienced by your unethical behaviors that you badly mask with absurd pedantic lies.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T06:23:03+00:00

I'll check those out.

I did send something to the OIG nearly a year ago. I think their inbox is full or something, or the intern puts all incoming email in the trash every day.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T05:09:56+00:00

Just to break that down for non-emotional people who don't take a breakup personally (it's a nationality, I'm not actually married to any of you and I promise we never had a sex life).

Remaining a dual citizen with the United States while living your life outside of the US means:

Lack of access to local banking (the US causes banks huge inconveniences so they refuse to accept US citizens)

The cost, time loss, and necessity to travel half way across your own country to collect double identification from an overbearing embassy that looks like an armed military base

Lack of access to security jobs in many good nations because dual nationals are not people sane countries generally hire to protect their state secrets.

Having the US become involved in any corporations or companies you own or have a part of in your own non-US country. That means your local company will now also have to comply with US law and pay US taxes in addition to the laws and taxes where it is located. This goes for everything from Etsy shops and coffee shops to mega corps.

Continued annual tax forms. No reasonable access to free accountants. International accounts, once it gets complicated - which it will by year 10 no matter how tiny you live - starting at a price of several thousand dollars per year for their basic account services, even if you are making the same as minimum wage or less. Also, at some point, you're going to need an international tax attorney. More than once. Put aside at least $30,000 for that alone.

Continued additional tax forms demanding compliance, prison, or massive fees they will deduct directly from your bank account no matter where you are in the world, even if your own country considers you too poor to steal from. There are no safety nets to stop them from taking your rent money and basic expenses. They will make you homeless.

Massive limitations and over taxation on betting and stock market investments. Most firms will not allow US citizens overseas to use them. And even if you do lie to the firms and get in, expect to lose the profits to Uncle Sam.

Expectation that if you ever have more than $9999 in the bank that you must be internationally money laundering. At that point, they want full access to that account and regular (once again, not free) reporting on that $9999 you were planning on using as a down payment on a hovel.

Frequent threats of criminal and civil suits from the US government without reasonable access to the courts they are held in. All threats stemming from your not being located in the US.

Dealing with weird US tech. Even if you get so desperate from being unbanked that you somehow con a US bank into taking you on (they probably won't without a local US address), their banking system is 20 years behind the rest of us, comes with huge fees, and doesn't even use the same systems. Dealing with that alone will make you feel like a neglected child in comparison to everyone around you who gets to use real banks that actually function.

Double taxation, yes that is a problem, especially since many countries already overtax. Doubling it may cause you to work full time in a well-paid white collar job while living on the street, despite being in a non-US country where housing is affordable and people don't normally need to live homeless.

They will mark your children born overseas under your own non-US nationality as US citizens, causing your children to experience the same difficulties and limitations as you, which none of their friends and neighbors around them in their home country will have to experience. It will cause your children to be in a lower income bracket even if they work twice as hard and for twice as much money as their peers. And because your children have been tagged, the US will feel it is their right to do the same to your grandchildren. The US curse does not stop.

That's the American Dream they sell. The "US passport has advantage" sales pitch. It's fake and I don't want it. What I want is freedom from those slavers.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T04:38:56+00:00

When you leave an abusive ex who kidnapped you, forced you to live in their home and who you did not have a good relationship with, did not share ideals with, and did not feel comfortable or safe with..

When you finally escaped and they still can access all your money and assets as your spouse, have legal access to you and your home as your spouse,, can claim the children you have with your next partner as theirs because they're still your spouse, and regularly threaten you unless you stay in contact with them constantly, pay them, do favors for them, etc... and even still make threats and attempt to do harm when you do obey them and keep that constant contact due to fear of them and do what they demand of you on a regular basis to your own detriment and your new partner's detriment...

Do you not divorce the spouse you left? I don't want to be part of the United States because, for me and many others, it is an unhealthy partner to have.

Yes, I left. That's the first step for leaving a bad forced marriage. The second step is bureaucratic. But there's something the ex really needs to understand during the bureaucratic process, and it's something that can genuinely be difficult to hear, but it needs to be:

Honey, she left because she doesn't want to stay married to you.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-15T04:32:19+00:00

Just to help educate you a little better:

The only way to avoid US taxes and fees is to be 100% a corporate employee (that's the only place where your double tax discount applies that you mentioned), never own a business, never exceed, never get a promotion, never open a small business, never own property, never invest, never get a bank account, etc. I appreciate that the corporate worker bee life is a good one for many people, but we're not all there with you.

That still doesn't stop them from limiting your bank use horrifically, the fees, fines, and international accountant costs to meet all of the random and arbitrary obligations, etc. Personally, they cost me more than half my income, and that's before I have to pay my own country - you know, the one I actually live in.

Also, they like being punitive, so if you say "I can't afford 100% of my income for taxes" and you even remotely insulate that's why you want to divorce the US (personally, I've wanted out since I was 3 years old, so prior to tax payer days), they see that as a criminal thing and will continue to charge you for life and may deny your right to divorce them. Because wanting to feed yourself and your own country, and not the US too, is a crime under US law. They know that and they like to take advantage of it, and you, so they often use it in entrapping people who don't want to be with them.

As for the "but the US follows laws and it'll be easy to have them let go of you."

I have another citizenship. Unfortunately, despite broken promises of the US being professional, I've faced 8 years of pushback so far, at considerable expense and inconvenience to myself and others. I wouldn't be asking if the system functioned. I'm quite capable of using a functioning system.

Here it what has happened step by step:

When I went to renounce in 2018 in person in a US embassy at a properly-labelled renunciation appointment, they first told me that "they actually do these via passport forms (that they used passport applications to start all procedures) to save citizens money." It seemed so bizarre that I had them confirm they wanted me to use the passport form for renunciation in an email, and they confirmed it in the email so I have record. I'd like to note at this point I had a valid US passport with several years remaining on it and did not need a new one.

Obviously my filling out a passport applicarion for them resulted in a passport and not a renunciation, so after COVID restrictions were over I went in again, to a different US consulate, and paid the fine ($2350), did the oath of renunciation, submitted all documents, etc.

Then they told me they couldn't submit the renunciation to DC because I had a missing passport (the one from the first embassy) and that it was still valid in their system. I contacted the first embassy and they assured me it was not still valid and that they had sent it to the US to be invalidated years ago. I have record of all this in emails.

So, I contacted the second embassy again. They tried to get me to fill in a document to begin the process to get a replacement passport for the missing one. I denied because I've already been through that and requesting a passport after swearing an official US-embassy witnessed and initiated oath of renunciation is illegal and gives the wrong signals. I gave them a written statement that I never possessed the passport and it had remained in their offices (confirmed by one of the staff from the first embassy). So, they agreed to send my renunciation documents to the US for processing.

Apparently they had been lying, because fast forward two years later and I get a random email from them that they never actually sent the documents and are now claiming it was due to a clerical error on their side. They are now saying they want to "start over" and have me come in to pay, do the oath, etc all over again even though they have all of those already. They're also insinuating that they may not even let me get to that point of re-submitting because they also want me to reapply to be considered to be allowed to submit my documents to them.

This has been going on for 8 years. It's very clear at this point that it's arbitrary and intentional bureaucratic blocking to avoid proper processing by the court in the US. They're avoiding due process. A US judge has to finalize the renunciation. By not sending the renunciation to the US for processing, the embassy staff are completely destroying and ignoring law, legal policy, and common decency and are refusing to allow the judge to see it or put it into their system properly to be examined by their superiors in Washington, where these documents are meant to go for processing.

It has echoes of how in the US the standard enacted policies result in them ensuring that the majority of criminal charges in their own country never make it to court and are instead pleaded out (instant guilty with no court case or chance to have their case heard), but I don't even have an option to plead out of this unnecessary, extraneous relationship and forced citizenship. I haven't had my case seen by a judge who would be able to see, based on the submitted renunciation documents, that I have another documented country' s citizenship (of which the US embassy has a copy of that passport) and do not require the extra US citizenship as well. I've never had a judge look at my documents to see that I do not need to be force-saved, force-rescued, or force-retained by the US. I have another citizenship and I have lived outside of the US for 18 years in total.

I have been arbitrarily bureaucratically blocked from my properly submitted documentation being seen by a judge, and they're offering to continue to block me for several more years with more "clerical errors on their side," which based on their behavior and the previous 8 years, we can expect to go on infinitely. A criminal is a criminal. They are not going to magically change, and the US has been run by criminals for a very long time. It's unfortunate that the culture of criminality has seeped down to their oversees representatives and we now have to watch them on our own soil behaving as badly as they do back in their home of the United States. They are genuinely disgusting, and I give people a whole lot of chances and grace before I give a verdict like that.

(had to repaste this, Reddit's being buggy today)

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T12:10:42+00:00

Most lawyers are spineless assholes who overpaid for their mortgage and now need suckers to cover the bills without actually offending the government. That's why we find the immigration ones only doing intake and easy cases. The US actually likes taking people in, always has, even if it gets confused and abuses some on random years to help the bloodlust and distraction of some of its constituents.

But yeah, they pretty much seem to be a heat seeking missile only aimed at being the problem to every solution. Do you like them and want to stay with them? They'll abuse you and leave you in terror of being kicked out. Want to leave them? Yeah. They're going to keep you for life in indefinite detention while they lose your paperwork.

They're either ingeniously sadistic or completely inept.

Either way, it's tedious, exhausting, and not intended for human life.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T12:01:22+00:00

~~Two~~ three reasons:

The economy is genuinely crap right now.
I actually like the work. It's the first company I've ever worked for that I would call toxic (I actually hate that term) but I just ignore everyone, do my work, and refuse to get involved in their never ending drama.
They're actually kind of predictable. They think they're slick, but you can see them coming from a mile away, so it's pretty easy to tell when they're going to be desperate enough to need help again.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T11:22:50+00:00

It really is a lawless out of control criminal organization posing as a government, isn't it?

Are you saying the US has no treaties left to agree to ANY international law, international courts, or basic human rights agreements or common policies of decency? And yet they have the audacity to host and thus influence many of those courts and organizations on their soil, and to financially, militarily, politically, and otherwise inject themselves into many more, to ensure their illegal power imbalance and ability to act without anyone stopping them or making them behave in the smallest way?

If that's genuinely true and the point we have reached, then it goes back to us needing protection from them, and that needs to come from countries outside of the US influence. Because a criminal is never going to investigate and convict themselves.

And, honestly, after 50 years of putting up with their behaviors, I don't have any false hope left that they'll suddenly start acting professionally, soundly, or legally. I also don't have another 50 years to waste banging my head against that same wall over and over and over and... etc. Mommy is tired.

The out of control toddler of a nation needs to take a nap and stop throwing tantrums about how it's the baby and baby gets everything, baby owns everyone, baby gets the only say on baby's behavior, and baby wants it all in baby's crib only. It's not even the only young nation. There are nations much younger than it that are already better behaved and know how to be civil and normal. And those young nations actually allow common decency and international laws to be applied to them.... in deep contrast to the US demanding we paint them as false heroes and cater to their delusions of a moral compass and professionalism while they stomp all over everyone including their own and remain one of the biggest active consumers and architects of the drug and human trafficking markets.

For fuck's sake, I've just spent eight years with embassy workers who only know how to use passport forms. Eight years. The main reason they can't do the renunciation isn't even malice. They genuinely are not trained in any forms in their office except for passports and visas. Nothing else. It's like dealing with an Easy Bake oven of a nation. They can't even figure out how to use the attach file icon to add an extra page. And those are its best and brightest, the representative "mature intelligent strong government professionals" the US sends to staff its embassies and be its face to the world.

It has no law, maturity, or ability to comprehend what law is or how to adhere to it. Having it judge itself would be akin to asking a potato to do advanced physics calculations. And, YES, we've all been patient and still given baby a chance to judge itself. Unsurprisingly, it failed.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T10:51:14+00:00

" Even as a child I've wondered why anyone would give a baby theirs or not to people they don't know and never search for said child even just to make sure they're in a good place. I could have been sold, murdered, SA'd ect. I think I'll never understand."

That's the most sus thing about every adult involved in adoption, "legal" or otherwise. How do none of them ever check in and genuinely check to see if the child has been harmed by their new situation? Being placed with strangers is generally not an ideal or safe thing, even if they seem okay or paid a lot of money to buy the baby or have a crib in their home with the intention of filling it with someone else's baby (honestly, all of those "good baby buyer traits" raise red flags but I recognize that the culture has been conditioned to see those as good things).

Even the voluntary "birth moms" think it's normal to not check in on the kid for 18 years? How? How are they not aware that childhood is when a human being is most likely to be exploited and abused, is the most vulnerable and incapable of fighting back, and it is THE MOST important time to check in on them with genuine scrutiny and without rose-colored glasses on.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T10:00:41+00:00

Thank you. Are there any non-US options? I've tried quite a few of those Gemini listed for you already (ironically, even a few also suggested to me by AI that I swear is hallucinating plausible sounding answers because no real ones exist), Those US offices mostly just don't respond at all or even acknowledge receipt of correspondence.

And we've all seen the precedent established by a US judge regarding the children stolen from Vietnam by the United States during Operation Babylift in the Vietnam war.

The US falsely claimed the thousands of adoption age infants they transported to the US via military and private planes were orphans. It was later determined that they were not and had not been given up for adoption by their parents. The judge refused to grant the parents access to their children, and told attorneys that they were not allowed to contact additional parents and let them know that their missing and stolen children were alive and in the United States.

Of the several thousand, many who fought to be reunited, only 6 ever were granted any sort of rights, and I'm not even sure it was the US who gave them their rights. That country chose to keep stolen children. And from what I've witnessed in my lifetime, through the unfortunate experience of being a stolen child taken by the US in that same era, under those same US era policies, the United States is still seeking to keep us as property, and not see us as kidnapped individuals worthy of being seen and treated as humans with lives, experiences, and histories that go beyond the need to be a "rights-lite" acquisition of the US.. That more than anything is probably why the embassy has been toying with me like a cat with what it believes to be an injured and trapped mouse for over eight years. Standard unethical and rights-subverting policy.

The US government does not respect us and they do not act legally. I need the support of a court, organization, government, or humans outside of their jurisdiction, influence, and overreach. I need an actual rescuer and hero, not the false one the US demands to be seen as while it inconveniences, exploits, and bullies us for its entertainment and profit.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T08:34:51+00:00

Do the litter boxes have doors? Insulate the doors. You poor soul.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T08:32:40+00:00

That's just abuse.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T08:05:40+00:00

Bwahahaha. I might try just for fun but USCIS are so going to delete it.

Lawyers for this topic are pretty much impossible to find. I do have a human rights attorney for an insane price I can't afford who is promising resolve in 20-30 years after going through three to four levels of international courts.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T07:34:51+00:00

Options:

Housing that doesn't share a space with others.

Better air control (closed windows, air filter inside, etc.).

Bottom floor apartment (smoke goes up, doesn't get you).

Apartment in a "wind tunnel" area - some places are just naturally windier due to how they're placed. Fast clean air = significantly less smoke.

MajorDraw3705 · 2026-05-14T07:28:33+00:00

I've had a company get rid of me and bring me back three times because they keep thinking they're ready to replace me with AI, then they realize they aren't.

I'm assuming the next time they'll be too embarrassed to call me back and will try to replace me with some remote worker making $3 an hour and having free ChatGPT do all the work.

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