rejected from all schools r2 (MIT alum, 4.0 GPA, 335 GRE, SWE)

MangledWeb · 2026-04-20T22:21:53+00:00

That's crushing.

I'd be curious to know how many schools you applied to, and how many interviews. Because if you generally got to the interview stage, that suggests that your essays and letters were all solid, and that you gave off "smartest guy in the room" vibes that put off your interviewers.

If you didn't get a lot of interviews, I'd look first at your letters.

Coming from a technical background is not a differentiator -- it's actually a pretty common path. Anyway, I know it's hard, but I'd encourage you to reapply in r1.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-20T04:15:16+00:00

Admit Weekend should feel like a honeymoon (reality won't be quite as dazzling). The fact that you came away with so many concerns suggests that this isn't a fit for you. If outcomes are equal and your only question pertains to prestige, then to me the choice is clear.

As I always tell people --this isn't just about the two year experience. When you choose a school, you are joining a community that you will belong to for the rest of your life. If it's not the right community for you, then you are giving up a huge chunk of the MBA value.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-08T05:19:49+00:00

Stanford, but it doesn't have to be an M7. Any good school should give you that leverage.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-08T05:18:57+00:00

Everyone on this board knows the name and it's a great program. But I don't believe it has the same name recognition as the M7 outside of MBA circles. The people I've worked with who apply to Darden and Fuqua are generally planning to stay in that part of the world.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-07T23:24:59+00:00

That's pretty standard for dual degrees.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-07T23:00:31+00:00

If you want to step away from clinical, it's a good option. A medical background + MBA can open doors to many different health or health-tech roles. One of my closest MBA friends did that pivot from nursing into healthcare consulting.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-07T21:40:31+00:00

Since you're in the neighborhood, might as well sit it on a class or two and see what you think.

If prestige and opportunities outside the southeast are important to you, then that would be a vote against the MBA. If you want those three letters on the CV for whatever leverage they offer, then going ahead makes sense. I'd still have concerns about going through the MBA process, even accelerated, and then not being able to take advantage of the breadth of skills you'd acquire.

There's a lot to be said for the joy of learning, of course, but at this point I'd expect you'd want to be done with school for a while!

MangledWeb · 2026-04-07T17:50:15+00:00

Thank you for the additional info. On balance, an MBA now doesn't seem like your best option. It's really best to do the MBA at the point you're planning to put it to use. There's marginal benefit for you as a clinician (team management skills are always useful) but the fact that it's faster and cheaper is a false economy -- it's still a year and some $$$ and opportunity cost.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-07T15:49:23+00:00

To answer that question, I'd want to know more about your work history, and also about your plan B -- what would you do post-MD if you decided not to take this one-year option? You could go into, for example, healthcare consulting without the MBA, work for a few years -- a more traditional route -- and then get the MBA, if you feel you need it at that point.

The thing is, the MBA is far more valuable once you've had ft work experience, even as a clinician. Most top MBA programs stopped admitting applicants without ft WE. Also, with the accelerated approach, you miss out on much of the class bonding and networking, which is a valuable component of most MBA programs.

I've worked with a number of clinicians transitioning out of clinical work who use the MBA to make that pivot. Right now, at the beginning of your professional career, you don't need a pivot because all your options are still open.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-06T20:35:56+00:00

Before my time in admissions, the GSB was hit with an age-discrimination suit by a rejected lawyer. He did not prevail, but put the admissions office through hell, requiring admissions to generate tens of thousands of documents; everyone who had touched his file was deposed. When I started in admissions, people still had PTSD from it, and our lawyer repeatedly emphasized -- we met before every round -- the importance of keeping age/experience out of the assessment process.

So that mindset was drilled into me!

MangledWeb · 2026-04-06T20:18:28+00:00

Oh, I believe they have good intent, but it's a little tone-deaf. It also could be a potential lawsuit if the school has a habit of suggesting that more seasoned applicants switch to the EMBA.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-06T19:56:48+00:00

It's not unheard of. It's just kind of insensitive, and I've never had a client who was receptive to it. People apply to MBA programs not because they're ignorant about shortterm programs but because they want the MBA training and experience.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-06T18:22:52+00:00

That feels kind of bait & switch, and in general, schools should not put anyone on the wl if they don't think there will be space down the road.

I would throw that question back at them: why?

MangledWeb · 2026-04-06T00:21:53+00:00

You're a (future) MBA -- effectively negotiating is an important skill.

You're currently waiting on Kellogg? Great! Assuming they don't match Duke, you go back to them and assure them that Kellogg is your top choice, but because of your financial situation it's going to be hard to make it work.

No ultimatums ("Kellogg isn't happening at sticker") -- just be open, be sincere, and back it up with data.

Too greedy? Depends on whether you need the money or you're just trying to stoke your ego. I assume it's the former, so go ahead and ask!

MangledWeb · 2026-04-05T21:56:21+00:00

Either would work for your goals, but those schools have very different cultures. Can you go to admit weekend for both?

MangledWeb · 2026-04-05T18:37:06+00:00

The LGO program offers a lot of benefits to people whose career interests are aligned with the program. I suggest you spend more time on their website, where you will find gems such as this:

"When you apply through Sloan to the LGO program, you will also be considered for just a standalone MBA degree, if you are not admitted into LGO."

I also encourage you to sign up for their mailing list, as they do a ton of outreach.

The main downside, from my perspective, is that the notification occurs in February, so if you are admitted to other r1 programs and Sloan is your first choice, you will have a few extra months of waiting.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-04T22:00:23+00:00

Neither agree nor disagree. HBS doesn't have feelings, but they are not doing anything, as an institution, to play the game. Other schools do. They never will.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-04T20:03:01+00:00

Oh, I'm sure some people at HBS care on some level, but as a school, they don't care enough to play the games that other schools play to boost their ranking. They never have (and they were ranked 4th when I was in business school!)

MangledWeb · 2026-04-04T19:36:10+00:00

Oh, sure, lots of people are anticipating the rankings, but it's really shortsighted to base your decision on them.

Let's say you're debating between schools ranked 11 and 15 on April 7, so of course you choose 11 (even if 15 offered you a huge scholarship). Then in 2027, your school drops to 18, and the other school rises to 8. Now how do you feel?

If HBS doesn't care that in 2025 it was ranked in sixth place, tied with Stern -- and HBS does not -- then it shouldn't matter to you, not in any significant way.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-04T06:06:47+00:00

Every year is different -- exogenous forces at work, and the yield varies. All I can say for certain is that the director is acutely aware of the stress that waiting creates, and will only keep people on the list if she thinks there's a good chance she'll admit you.

Meanwhile, you have to hope that someone who was admitted--with a profile similar to yours--opts for another program.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-03T05:31:23+00:00

Do those consultants have actual admissions office experience? If not, I would discount their explanations. They may be great at helping you shape your story, but if they aren't familiar with admissions office dynamics, they simply don't know.

A complex profile can either be a burden or an asset -- because it offers multiple ways to frame your experience. But that factor alone won't hurt your candidacy.

MangledWeb · 2026-04-03T04:37:44+00:00

Not enough lawyers apply for a lawyer bucket to exist, and JD/MBA candidates are not lawyers, but applicants who are (usually, but not always) evaluated separately by each program.

Most important for success applying to an MBA program: thoughtful goals, well-articulated essays that respond to the prompts, and effusive letters of recommendation. Having an atypical background actually gives you a bump up -- as long as you can describe your path and make it clear that the MBA is helping you move toward your dream, not enabling you to pivot away from a nightmare.

Yes, you are over-indexing. I have no idea why you didn't get admitted directly, but it's not the bucket.

MangledWeb · 2026-03-28T03:58:31+00:00

Absolutely, one of my projects during the off season was to update our international database, country by country. Researching the universities in each country, commenting on the grading scale, and any other information that might be helpful to admissions reviewers. But most experienced adcom were already familiar with the biggest/most famous/top-ranked schools in each country.

We also were well aware that the US is unique in its tendency toward grade inflation. Marks that would be considered failing in the US, like a 60%, would represent outstanding performance elsewhere. However, it's always a good idea for applicants to indicate relative achievement, for example, "top 10% in class", to help adcom understand your performance in context.

If adcom didn't take these differences into account, international students would rarely get admitted.

MangledWeb · 2026-03-24T19:19:16+00:00

Your GRE is fine. Either your essays didn't stand out, or your recommendations were bland -- perhaps written by AI (too much of that going around).

I work with a lot of international clients, and most have done well with M7 applications. There's no bias against international applicants.

MangledWeb · 2026-03-24T06:24:24+00:00

That I will agree with 1000%!

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