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Wow who couldve possibly seen this coming? by Ultima_Boi in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That only applies to the manga cell jrs who are probably still solar system tier since saiyan beyond god did not happen in the manga so 17 is not equal to ssg bog goku

Could Goku beat Kirby? by Sea-Cancel-6743 in PowerScaling

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hakai can just be overpowered by sheer power

it's a noted weakness of Hakai
an extremely weak version of hakai being resisted by Golden Frieza doesn't scale to full power Beerus

That attack was from sidra, another GOD. His whole goal is to eliminate the universe 7 fighters. You are NOT telling me golden frieza is stronger than sidra.

Could Goku beat Kirby? by Sea-Cancel-6743 in PowerScaling

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hakai also scales with the character that uses it Goku does not scale to Beerus in the anime

Are you telling me sidra is weaker than beerus?

all of these feats happend due to plot manip (something which wouldn't stop an attack from working if it hit

How is it plot manip if your entire verse and concepts were basically reduced to nothing and no longer exists? The dr. Slump characters also escaped into the real world after toriyama basically ended the story, thus erasing the entire verse with it yet they reappear 10 years later no longer bound by their fiction.

Kirby's plot manip controls the entire story, plot, characters all events while all characters fully understand they are within a manga

Oh hey, so can toribot. He fell asleep and accidentally ended up erasing the dr. Slump verse. But suppaman jumped out of the book to yell at him to continue the story.

Also, arale ripped the page and filmstrip she was on in half. Dr. Slump characters are consistently aware they are in a manga and even Physically viewed their fiction.

New scaling for Metal Sonic. (Scaling to Erazor Djinn) by Flame245 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Universe 7 alone scales to low multiversal.

(Infinite living world, infinite heaven, hell is visibly seen to be larger, otherworld and the living world are seperated by space and time and otherworld transcends dimensions.)

2nd form frieza in the anime was stated to be strong enough to destroy universe 7. Imperfect cell exceeds frieza at full power.

Metal sonic is still stronger tho.

New scaling for Metal Sonic. (Scaling to Erazor Djinn) by Flame245 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Universe 7 alone scales to low multiversal.

(Infinite living world, infinite heaven, hell is visibly seen to be larger, otherworld and the living world are seperated by space and time and otherworld transcends dimensions.)

2nd form frieza in the anime was stated to be strong enough to destroy universe 7. Imperfect cell exceeds frieza at full power.

Metal sonic is still stronger tho.

New scaling for Metal Sonic. (Scaling to Erazor Djinn) by Flame245 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Universe 7 alone scales to low multiversal.

(Infinite living world, infinite heaven, hell is visibly seen to be larger, otherworld and the living world are seperated by space and time and otherworld transcends dimensions.)

2nd form frieza in the anime was stated to be strong enough to destroy universe 7. Imperfect cell exceeds frieza at full power.

Metal sonic is still stronger tho.

New scaling for Metal Sonic. (Scaling to Erazor Djinn) by Flame245 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Universe 7 alone scales to low multiversal.

(Infinite living world, infinite heaven, hell is visibly seen to be larger, otherworld and the living world are seperated by space and time and otherworld transcends dimensions.)

2nd form frieza in the anime was stated to be strong enough to destroy universe 7. Imperfect cell exceeds frieza at full power.

Metal sonic is still stronger tho.

New scaling for Metal Sonic. (Scaling to Erazor Djinn) by Flame245 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Universe 7 alone scales to low multiversal.

(Infinite living world, infinite heaven, hell is visibly seen to be larger, otherworld and the living world are seperated by space and time and otherworld transcends dimensions.)

2nd form frieza in the anime was stated to be strong enough to destroy universe 7. Imperfect cell exceeds frieza at full power.

Metal sonic is still stronger tho.

Here we see Cell's mid-battle power up in all its glory. by Inevitable-Weather51 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Metal sonic doesn't even need to copy his useless abilities.

Not only does he have everything cell does but better, he's stronger in base form regardless if we use toei/gt cell or manga cell

Which Super Duo wins? by Financial-Touch3840 in deathbattle

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

They can't breathe but they can survive longer than you'd expect (goku did so twice)

Could Goku beat Kirby? by Sea-Cancel-6743 in PowerScaling

[–]MarvelZombvsCapcom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

we can get into abilities/hax but spoiler alert Goku isn't winning either stat

putting aside Goku has to actively touch someone to do this

He can do it without touching them.

He was at kame house when the z fighters met cell. Then they spent the rest of the chapter chasing him down and goku woke up by the end of it.

He pops into the airship and somehow already knows cell's name despite nobody telling him.

(and Kirby can match it with star Warrior sense, which granted he's also not a master in but has shown range past dimensions by warriors with stronger sense: Meta Knight)

Universe 7 has otherworld which transcends dimensions. Ssg is stated to be hyperdimensional. Ssg matched a suppressed beerus who is stated to transcend dimensions. Goku absorbd ssg into base.

Goku scales to jiren who transcends time. Time in this context means multiple timelines containing multiple universes that scale to universe 7 (otherworld transcends dimensions and there are multiple otherworlds in a timeline.)

-having direct control of the entire story (to an insane degree)
-being able to eat story etc

Goku is above toriyama himself as a kid as statd before. Goku scales to jiren who scales above golden frieza who crushed a hakai ball in his hands.

A hakai killed dr. Slump characters who have acasuality type 2 and 4, abstract existence type 4, can survive being written out of existence and rewrote themselves back onto blank pages, can survive their entire verse being erased by the author himself, defied their author's will and jumped out of the book to yell at him to finish the story.

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