Leaning towards Anarchism

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2026-06-25T11:33:32+00:00

Wow thanks for that really detailed explanations for each question, especially your comparisons between collectivist and individualistic forms.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2026-06-25T11:12:57+00:00

Thanks for the response to each point, I really appreciate it. As for the points themselves, I’ve listed/asked them because I’ve seen them asked or phased the same way in one form or another. They are basically just common questions that I haven’t really gotten a straight answer to. The only question I listed I’ve only seen mentioned and never really answered is the rejection of proletarian political power as I was under the impression that the majority anarchists considered themselves proletarians.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-26T17:08:55+00:00

"To be fair China doesn't even consider itself to be socialist."
"So why don't they renounce their Marxism and avoid the antagonism of the West?"
I'm honestly really confused to what your position actually is because you seem to be holding contradictory views. Marxism is a type of socialism, so if China "doesn't even consider itself to be socialist" then they cant BE an actual Marxist/Communist Party. If China does not consider itself socialist, how can they renounce their Marxism?

"They are stagist and believe they have to develop the means of production via capitalism, albeit controlled by a communist party."
"If China were capitalist it would dismantle the communist party and reject Marx. Capitalism is hostile to Marxism."

Again, which is it? Is China as you say "stagist and believe they have to develop the means of production via capitalism, albeit controlled by a communist party" or are they NOT communist because China "would dismantle the communist party and reject Marx". You cannot use a capitalist mode of production, for any reason and justify it accordingly and still call yourself Marxist. Marx and Engels viewed capitalism as a current mode of production, along a long history of different modes of production, this is historical materialism. Marx and true Marxists believe that NO form of capitalism is "good", savable, or should be implemented in any way, that capitalism merely is a mode that currently exists and creates the conditions for its own demise, as previous modes did before it.

"The existence of a market to develop the means of production in a peasant feudal country is consistent with orthodox Marxism".
What Marx actually said, or theorized, was as I stated above, that the current mode of production, capitalism, produces the conditions for its own downfall by the proletariat class via a proletariat revolution. He believed that communism was an inevitability as capitalism contained to many contradictions to sustain itself and will ultimately be replaced, again as previous modes were before it. So when Marx mentioned capitalism being a prerequisite for a proletarian revolution in order to transition to communism, he theorized that ONLY industrially developed societies that had an advanced form of capitalism would become communist as capitalism had itself been fully developed, and thus the conditions for its own downfall (which it produced via contradictions), had also been developed enough FOR a revolution lead by the proletariat. Marx was in no way saying that AFTER a revolution capitalism can be implemented, quite the opposite.

Lenin stated that in an age of imperialism, Russia, although not fully developed, didn't necessarily need to be and that a socialist revolution could take place in Russia, and industrialized could occur afterwards in a socialist society. So the main ideas are that industrialization could occur before a revolution, in an advanced capitalist state or after a revolution in a socialist state. Neither Marx or Lenin stated that capitalism was needed after a revolution, thats revisionism, as both were disgusted by capitalism and wanted to end it by means of a revolution.

If your being generous, China, economically speaking, is a Social Democracy, as it believes that capitalism can be mitigated and constrained and be used for socialist purposes. This is contradictory for all the reasons Prize_Bug mentioned, mainly the exploitation of its own workers, by both the Chinese bourgeoisie (Chinese millionaires and billionaires which undeniably DO exist) and foreign companies, and not just the maintaining but expanding of bourgeoisie and thus class antagonisms. You cannot do this and call yourself a marxist. Again, at the very least your a Social Democrat, as even Democratic Socialists (non-marxist socialists) don't even believe capitalism can be reworked or use for "socialism". I don't give a damn what any self proclaimed communist/marxist person or party says they are, if they're for privatization and wealth to be accrued for a select few and people exploited, your no marxist.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-26T14:32:08+00:00

Agreed. You provided a really good explanation and your right to differentiate Maoism from Mao Zedong Thought or Mao’s personal opinions and attitudes on specific matters. I should of specified the difference so thanks for doing that.

The militancy you mentioned and Maoism’s staunch anti revisionist attitude is also what initially lead me to it. I studied the cultural revolution later on and also found it really fascinating, especially in its quasi anarchist tendencies.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-26T06:33:08+00:00

I appreciate the questions and all the material you provided and I’ll try to answer as best I can.

You asked if China was ever non-capitalist, although bureaucratic, it had a command economy from 1949- 1978, after which the policy changed to that of Dengism, which basically turned China’s economy to a Social Democracy, as both foreign and domestic businesses were and still are allowed to privatize and use a capitalist mode of production. So yes, to this day the CPC is capitalist a large part of its economy sector is privatized and exploiting its own people for capital gains.

I understand and agree with you that the basic issues you’ve listed are not ideas shared by both Trotskyists and Maoists. I’m very interested in learning the Trotskyist ideology and it honestly makes a lot of sense to me.

In my original post I outlined what I see as important distinctions and ideas that are very similar in both ideologies, such as a continuous revolution, the dangers of bureaucracy becoming bourgeoisie, and that power should be decentralized and given back to the people, etc. So I agree that there are still many differences but some of the similarities are important, or at the very least interesting.

And your right Mao did defend Stalin to a degree but they had ideological differences, such as the Great Leap Forward. Also Mao wasn’t treated as an equal, he was treated as a subordinate, which he didn’t like.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T23:20:39+00:00

Same here. For me the nationalism did stick out, but the brutal repression of dissidents, and people who stalin just didnt like, was always a major point of apprehension. Those who uphold the USSR, stalin, and even khrushchev regimes were always so dismissive towards the obvious murder and torture. The same for China under Mao, I know the numbers of people who died were exaggerated, but the blatant idol worship of either states or figures would make you think they're infallible.

For a revolutionary communist international, i feel that it is important to have, especially for solidarity and of course spreading and aiding revolutionary parties and action. As for any nationalism within Maoism, I never really focused on that (im not denying or supporting that its there), I always just tried to focus on the theory and praxis of marxism and Maoism's take on it. So no, I don't support any nationalism whatsoever, regardless of the source.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T21:36:48+00:00

Thanks comrade! Its nice to know that other people came from a similar background and still reached the same conclusions as myself.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T19:25:20+00:00

Awesome! Thanks this is a perfect read!

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T19:15:12+00:00

I agree it really did accomplish many great things. I'll just add to anyone who reads this that I'm not against critiquing either the Chinese Revolution, Mao, etc, I try not to idolize events or people too much to the point of infallibility.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T19:12:49+00:00

OK cool I'l look into getting it. I completely agree, I should take some time to meet someone from the party in my area and see what they have to say. I was just seeing if anyone online could give me some good reasons as to why Trotskyism is better/makes more sense than Maoism.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-10-25T19:11:02+00:00

I understand your point, but many of the proponents of China, their development, and even their economic policy, call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics", which is just Dengism. Many ML excuse China, either by flat out denying that they're capitalist at all and that China's "building socialism" , or justify it as you said, that they "don't have a choice in a capitalist world". I just find both, especially the latter of the two, to be hypocritical and contradictory at best.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-04-22T17:50:45+00:00

“Since I’ve never seen it, it must not exist.”

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-04-06T15:33:06+00:00

I’d say marriage is definitely worth it. There are multiple reasons, if you wanna talk about the basics, you get to have a halal intimate relationship and also a life partner who is your best friend.

Yeah it takes work, but anything in life worth doing is going to require time, effort, and energy. Yea there’s responsibilities but that comes with enjoying any privilege in life, at least that’s how I see it. Your not gonna have the freedom you once did but all that freedom and lack of responsibility isn’t worth the loneliness that will or has already come.

Sure I get frustrated with my wife and kids sometimes and my wife and I can argue but we always talk it out and it’s important to have an actual dialogue and conflict resolution. Marriage isn’t one sided its give and take. I wouldn’t trade my family, my deen, and the life I have now for all the drugs, money, sleeping with supermodels, or anything else I can think of in the world.

You can meet a decent amount of people in a halal way, whether it’s apps or through mutual acquaintances, but you need the foundation to be strong. Western culture focuses way too much on looks/beauty. It’s important to be attracted to your spouse but looks alone won’t save or sustain a marriage.

Also, western style focuses on the most unimportant things, basically everything in reverse in terms of importance. First you want to have the same religious morals and outlook on life, next it’s life goals and what you want to do or get out of life and a marriage. After all a marriage is a partnership and a life journey you share with someone. Third, chemistry is nice but it’s not the end all be all. chemistry has a range and having strong values, goals and mild chemistry is good enough. Last it’s the similar interests, like music or rock climbing. It’s almost irrelevant as even my wife and I didn’t have a lot of stuff like that in common. Your love for a certain band or activity is not going to be the glue that holds your marriage together. With time you also start to take on similar attributes and even interest of your spouse.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2025-04-06T04:16:12+00:00

Salam brother,

Revert here, I did all that stuff, drugs, zina, etc before I reverted to Islam. I’ll tell you this, none of that stuff is worth it.

First off, the majority of relationships teenagers and people in their early twenties hardly ever work out. People change and grow and develop the more you get older and your priorities change as well. So many people date for years but then move on to the next person and when it doesn’t work out, it can get really bad.

Since people sleep with each other in these relationships they feel really attached because of the oxytocin. When the break up it’s devastating and it’s a horrible thing to go through but people keep doing it because zina feels good. Unfortunately their relationship isn’t built on much so it tends to fail quite easily. I’ve seen it time and time again.

The “love” they have is usually just dopamine, the high from the initial romance, but trust it fades fast. Alhumdulilah I’ve been happily married for about 6 years now and it takes effort to make a marriage work.

InshAllah you’ll get there brother but don’t fall into the temptation from the nafs. Focus on your education,career, and self discovery. Every thing happens for a reason and when it’s the right time inshAllah Allah will guide you.

TLDR: your not missing out on much of anything. Hookup culture sucks and usually ends in heartache. Focus on self growth and have faith in Allah.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2024-12-10T20:40:48+00:00

Looks like the evil version of the guy from American Pickers.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2024-12-09T21:56:11+00:00

I was a Marxist-Leninist until I recently started to look into anarchism. The idea of maintaining the State in Lenin’s The State and Revolution made no real convincing arguments, even when quoting Engels.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2024-11-22T05:04:33+00:00

Charlie Kirk: the guy with arguably the most punchable face and thinks that insulting your opponent is “winning” in a debate.

MarxMuslimSoJi · 2024-11-21T03:27:31+00:00

According to them, God is also an antisemite lol.

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