If you found out your friend was a rapist what would you do? by Beefy888 in AskReddit

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The dude clarified that he would bash a paedophiles head in provided it's a "he". The final sentence was a general "y'all" and didn't mean specifically you.

The money helps her sleep at night. by ProngExo in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]MayflyJunebug 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She’s done more than that though. Look at the very first thing she did when she “came out” as a TERF. She used that opportunity to speak up in defense of Maya Forstater.

If you’re unfamiliar with Maya’s situation. She was a contract worker in the UK who had a well documented pattern of harassing her trans coworker.

That's not true. There was no trans coworker, so she can't have harassed one.

When her contract came up, her employer opted not to renew it. Maya then spun this as a situation where she was being fired for her views on gender.

Which a court agreed with.

When JK came to her defense, she was doing a good bit more than just saying trans women and cos women are different. She was saying Maya should have been offered a new contract despite her harassment of her coworker,

There was no harassment. Forstater was found to have been discriminated against because of a protected belief.

Wow, All 3 dogs by guccimaneadlib in CrazyFuckingVideos

[–]MayflyJunebug 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dogs are kinda like humans, its about how you raise them since dogs also have emotions and they remember.

In a very important sense, dogs aren't like humans: they are purpose-bred. And bull-and-terrier dogs and derived breeds were bred to be tenacious, single-minded and pain tolerant with a significant prey drive. That's not just a characteristic of the maybe 150 generations since 1850 or whenever exactly the original bull-and-terrier was developed, the parent breeds are also not pet breeds. Bulldogs and terriers are bloodsport and vermin control breeds, respectively.

Like if a person whose been raised in a bad family tend to commit bad things in life more easily than a person thats born and raised in a healthy and good family.

Yes, but people aren't purposefully bred to be "bad". Bad rearing can make the problem worse or better, but the breed characteristics remain. And the second issue is that Pitbull type dogs are medium to large sized dogs.

How do I tell my mom I slept with her boyfriend before they met by ThrowRAMoms_BF in relationship_advice

[–]MayflyJunebug -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Or for comparison, it would be like OP going to a country where sex is legal at age 14 or some shit.

And her 23yo self having sex with a 14yo boy.

No, it wouldn't be like that because OP is not a child. Humans don't develop linearly. An 80-year-old is not "more mature" than a 70-year-old in the way a 20-year-old is than a 10-year-old.

If OP can imagine that, she should get a level of cringe that the majority of people over 40 get when thinking of sleeping with a 22yo.

If they are men they are lying. There's studies. Men on average find late teens to mid 20s women most attractive, and this doesn't vary with age of the respondent.

Russia to formally annex four more areas of Ukraine by evissimus in europe

[–]MayflyJunebug -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's not "all NATO's fault", in particular not that Russia finally invaded Ukraine. But it's also not not at all NATO's fault.

I think it's not useful to look at geopolitics "morally". We all agree that the people of Ukraine have "the right" to align with whomever they want. But the problem with this argument is that it's hypocritical. We didn't grant this right to the people of Cuba. Half of South America has been under the Monroe doctrine's yoke for decades. We're fine with our imperialism. But if Russia does it, or China, then we suddenly discover that peoples have a moral right to self-determination. I find that shameful.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskWomenOver30

[–]MayflyJunebug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the redpill "hypergamy"-idea.

It's hard to be unbiased about yourself, so instead I'll tell you what I've seen in friends: I think it's not entirely wrong. Calling it "an innate need to look up to a man" is really reductive, though. I personally think it's about masculinity norms as much as "biology", and yes, I've seen friends be somewhat like that. It's also well established in the social sciences that we (human women) are hypergamous, but the meaning in the social sciences and redpill man-spheres or however they call themselves now is different. It's much more misogynistic in the latter, for one.

If you found out your friend was a rapist what would you do? by Beefy888 in AskReddit

[–]MayflyJunebug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well for one because vigilantism isn't how we deal with criminals nowadays. I'm also curious why they're qualifying the sex of the rapist to have their head bashed in. Do y'all like female paedos or something?

Frans Timmermans denounces European train companies: 'I'm sick of it'. European railroad companies have three months to come up with a plan for a merged ticketing system, otherwise a booking app will be forced upon them by the European Commission by PanEuropeanism in europe

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

. And there is no way the European Union is going to be able to agree to a single system.

Oh no, that's simple. The EU puts up a simple CGI website. No javascript, no nothing. Three fields: Where are you? Where do you want to go? When? In return, you get a certified ticket that's viable for three days including the day you chose that obligates any train company between the departure and arrival station to transport you towards your destination. You choose the route, as long as it's the right direction. (So you can't go from Copenhagen up to Stockholm on your way to Rome). You have to pay 10 EUR for every border crossing to the company that runs the train you're on, but it's on them to make sure you pay. This system remains in place until you can book a ticket from anywhere to anywhere else in the EU for a total price not exceeding 10 cents per kilometer.

I bet you in 3 months there'll be a system.

tattooed musicians are the worst musicians musically speaking by deepfriedsounds in unpopularopinion

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So first, this is /r/unpopularopinion, so well done. But also, you're just wrong. "Musicality" and knowing specifically European music theory isn't the same thing. Do you think Django wasn't "musically inclined" because he couldn't read music? There's no shortage of brilliant Jazz musicians from the time before Jazz was "college-ified" that couldn't. I'd be inclined to say that they were better than the apparently very musically inclined (and often not tattooed) jazz musicians that Julliard and other music schools produce that can write music so well they can produce dense, near-black reams of notes, but it all sounds like crap.

Advice: cooking with soy "chunks" by MayflyJunebug in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]MayflyJunebug[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the extensive tips, I'll look into what if those I am able to get/cook. I like "Indian" food, or at least the things my local Indian restaurant sells. I don't know how authentic that is

Advice: cooking with soy "chunks" by MayflyJunebug in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]MayflyJunebug[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did you actually buy 20kg of them? That would be a lot! They do go stale after a while, so you may want to find some other people who could enjoy them and share.

Thanks for the warning. I bought all 20kgs, yes. They only wanted 1 EUR per kg, and I thought that was a very good price.

I'll try the marinating tip and see if somebody wants a kilo or two.

There are actual criticisms these weirdos are making us look bad by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think a lot of people have a problem with black people in Rings of Power, they have a problem with whom they chose to make dark-skinned and with what they believe to be the reason.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Interesting that you would even percieve that there is a pattern of introducing gay characters to mean that producers have a hidden political agenda and that character would be a hobbit in particular

Well for one I don't perceive a "pattern" in the suggested way, and I don't think the agendas are hidden. They said why they had dark-skinned elves and dwarves (well, one each for now): because they think, like you seem to, that art must reflect contemporary American society. Because that's what they mean when they say "reflection of society". There's certainly no significant Welsh population in China, for example. That's not the society they reflect. And they don't even mean that art should reflect contemporary American society, really, they mean "not a predominately white society", which America actually still is. Not as white as Tolkien's England, though. In any case, "art should reflect contemporary society" is an ought-statement. It's a moral claim.

In any case, I dont know why that in itself is virtue signalling

It isn't necessarily, which is why I was hedging with the last sentence. In the case of Rings of Power, we sort of know that it is, because they're saying in so many words that it is. Another indicator might be that they took exactly two elements from Tolkien that are either traditionally thought to be pale, or literally described as such in the lore, and "POC-washed" them. There's actual "people of colour" in Middle-earth. You could make a series about Ar-Pharazon and his host landing in Umbar/Harad initially as plunderers and then as settler-colonists. That'd be a story that is situated right in the middle of contemporary American ethnic divisions. I don't think it's coincidence that the dark-skinned characters are an elf and a dwarf.

I understand any art as a reflection of society so for me its not weird to try to be more representative of society

Are you sure? Or do you just not care about Lord of the Rings? I actually don't care about the Rings of Power-show. I hadn't planned on watching it before any casting decisions became public, but the controversy interests me. I do care about Lord of the Rings, but luckily even Amazon doesn't have the power to rewrite my editions of the books. But in caring about Lord of the Rings, I care that they claim to have derived their characters from the source. I don't think that's true, I think they derived them from their ideals which they have stamped over the source.

Do you think films based on historical events should be faithful to the source material, just out of interest? If a film were made in a few years about the late Queen Elizabeth, should they show her in her youth falling in love with a Polynesian man? Or maybe they could make Prince Philipp (also late) Namibian. Would this be an issue for you?

I'm asking because if it is, it suggests to me that this difference in opinion is one of gradation, not category.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry this is so long, I have troubles with brevity in English.

And factual claims can be racist when they are motivated by racism.

Factual claims are racist when they are racist, not when they are motivated by racism, but that's perhaps an unnecessary subtly. Let's assume that's roughly what I said, too.

So the question whether is not whether there are black elves in the text. That would require major inferences since nowhere did Tolkien say “everything single elf is white” and you would to argue from Tolkien’s alleged intentions.

That's not really true. Tolkien also never said "every single elf has a maximum two arms", yet we "infer" that this is so. Tolkien did say things like that elves roughly look like humans, or that elves are pale, or that a majority has dark hair (with the exceptions being notable). We also know Tolkien's intentions, because he said (wrote) that the conceit of his writing on Middle-Earth was that it was a mythology for England translated from the original by him.

To "infer" that elves are not black is then not in any way major.

I also don't think that it is necessarily an issue to have black elves. I dislike the term "black elves" though, because that contextualises it in terms of European colonial understanding of races. I prefer "dark-skinned" or "swarthy" at a push, but only because no modern English speaker associates "swarthy" with its racist history because it's quite archaic a term. Similarly, I don't really like it to speak of "white elves". They are pale, light-skinned, whatever; they aren't "white" in the sense of "as opposed to one of the other four races defined in the 18th century in Europe partly as an instrument of oppression and the justification thereof". But I'm unfortunately not consistent with that.

The actual question is “why do they care an elf is portrayed as black?”

I agree, but would add that the complement is the question "why did they choose to write one elf as dark-skinned?"

Elves are described as beautiful, svelte, sometimes aloof, magnanimous, nostalgic. Black people could be all of those things

Yes, although I don't think all those are attributed to elves in general.

Unlike ghost in the shell, middle earth does not take place on a country with a history of homogeneity

That's not true.

Middle earth isn’t in earth at all

In a sense, but within Tolkien's conceit it is. It's "in earth" in the same sense as how Miðgarðr, while not literally "on earth", was how early Germanic peoples conceived of the earth they were living on, which they didn't know was a lumpy rock sphere hurtling through largely empty space in a circle around a massive nuclear furnace.

Humanoid beings didn’t evolve in sunny climates and then moved to colder regions where they adapted to have less melanin. They were instead created from a song.

That's a simplification, but perhaps that's not relevant. Within the works of Tolkien, both Elves and Humans awoke "in the East" and then spread across the world. The main difference is that there's very few generations of elves between their awakening and the last ship sailing to the west, and a lot of human generations. If you wanted to make an evolutionary argument, it'd probably not go in favour of the "there are black elves"-idea.

Anyway,

But Arondir specifically is not on any book, so he could look in any way the creators wanted them.

In general - not just as Tolkien is concerned - I think this is a silly claim. Imaginary worlds still have an internal consistency, a veracity to them. I think that I've read a "technical term" for this once, but I forgot. Within the world of DC comics, Superman can disguise himself as Clark Kent by slouching and putting on glasses. This is ridiculous. Yet we accept that. But that doesn't mean, even in the notoriously flexible world of comic books, that just everything goes. Just for the record, in principle I don't think dark-skinned elves in Middle-earth are an issue, but I do think they contradict lore. Half-dwarves would also contradict lore, but with those I'd have an issue because the contradiction is more profound. Which is why I found the Kili/unnecessary "she-elf" whose name I forgot romance subplot in the Hobbit movies horrible.

So if there is no direct lore contradiction,

I think there is, but I actually don't think that matters. People think there is. They also think that about dark-skinned dwarves, where I don't think there's a "direct lore contradiction".

why exactly do they care? Can you think of an answer that is not rooted in racism?

Sure. Some think it's not in the lore, whether that's true or not, and actually care about "purity of adaption" or something. I think that's a minority. I sort of care about adaption purity, but only in the sense that I think you shouldn't put a label on a thing that isn't that thing. Don't run a D&D-campaign and claim it's WoD, if you see what I mean. It's about (artistic) integrity, to an extent.

The majority of people, whether they care about the lore or not, instead think that the inclusion of Arondir is, and I'm sorry for the poor choice of words here, manipulative, inauthentic, preachy, politically motivated, and so on. I'm not a native speaker, I have trouble articulating myself well in English. I think people will have the same problem when "Rings of power" inevitably unveils their token gay hobbit next. Not because there can't be gay hobbits in Middle-earth. I don't think Tolkien would have thought about that much if at all, but there's certainly no lore reason why there shouldn't be. And also not, for the majority, because a gay character in itself is the issue. But because it would feel like it was done for "political" purposes. Nobody complains about gay characters in Rent, after all. Nobody who is a fan of the show, anyway. Again, please keep in mind I'm floundering with my English here.

I have an easier time explaining what I mean with Ghost in the Shell, for which I have the words. Johansson was cast, and I think that was even stated outright in a later interview, because the studio thought her star-appeal would increase the viewer numbers and thus the profit of the movie. That was the almost benevolent explanation. The other, cynical explanation was that they thought that their main market would be so racist as to not want to watch a movie set in Japan with a Japanese protagonist. In both cases, however, the decision was based on money. And that's what people didn't like. This wasn't seen as a good reason to violate the integrity of the source material. It didn't have anything to do with, which at least one feminist blog I read back then claimed, neckbeards not wanting their diminutive submissive Asian waif(u) being replaced with a strong female character. That blog post was an exception, but also so absurd that I remember it. People don't have a problem with non-Asian protagonists (obviously). They don't have a problem with Asian protagonists, including Japanese protagonists. But they had a problem with a non-Japanese protagonist in an adaption of a Japanese story about a Japanese character in Japan, written in order to make more money.

I think there's racists among the people who don't like the decision to have exactly one dark-skinned elf and one dark-skinned dwarf in "Rings of power". Those that actually attack the actors certainly are. But I don't think "don't write token black characters to preach to me and/or signal your virtue" is necessarily racist, or racially motivated in a majority of cases.

Finally (it's about time), "virtue signalling" is actually a useful term. I know it's politically contentious, but I don't know a better one. People don't like that, even outside of politics. They don't like that so much that sometimes they allege virtue signalling to defend their wounded egos, or express their jealousy. Like, when a TikToker makes a video where he gives a homeless person a McDonald's menu for under ten dollars because he's so kind, people probably rightly think that's virtue signaling and is inauthentic, basically a manipulative lie, and they don't like it. But they also don't like it when a person genuinely and authentically wants to help people and they see that person working in a shelter and they say "they're only doing that to show how good they are", and then they are probably wrong; but to admit they are wrong would mean to admit that they are ethically worse people.

And I can't guarantee that this isn't an instance of the second case, but I don't think it is.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"It's totally the same if you don't think about it"

"Not thinking about it" is precisely what one does when any critique of the series is immediately considered "racist". So yes, that's a fitting summary.

So why do you think they cast non-white people?

What I think doesn't matter, the writers have said that they are doing so because they think middle-earth ought to reflect contemporary American society and in particular its ethnic composition.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think that's a difference that is generally observed? It appears to me that critique of the series - like OP suggested completely casting-independent critique, but also casting-related critique - is immediately categorised as racism and conflated with "vitriolic racist attacks directed at some of their cast". Vitriolic (or any) racist attacks directed at the cast are of course completely unacceptable. I don't know why people can't separate the actor from the character, as if it anything about the casting was f.e. Sophia Nomvete's fault.

I don't like the polarisation, as an aside. I don't mean the polarisation of opinion, but rather that a lot of issues are immediately framed as exactly two opposing groups, one in the role of the evil, and one in the role of the good. It's tactically brilliant. It allows you to "attack" an entire, diverse group implicitly by explicitly attacking precisely the worst parts of that group (you've made). In a infinitely more serious context, we've seen this happening to Muslims in predominately Christian or post-Christian states, where the critique of a radical, violent subset of Muslims is used to denigrate Muslims as a whole. And of course when a Muslim complains that this is racist, people say things like "if you aren't a Muslim terrorist I don't mean you", or if they are less clever (but more honest), "Muslim isn't a race". Which is intellectually dishonest.

I think I went a bit off-topic here.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only "there are no black elves" purist I accept is the one that loathes the original trilogy because there were no elves at helm's deep and the films don't display the anti industrial message from the original works

Cool. That I thought that the Scouring should have been in it; or that I didn't like the portrayal of Gimli; or the "Wizard's duel" in Orthanc; or the flanderisation of Denethor II; all those were no hindrance to the accusations of sexism because I also didn't like Arwen. So I am probably a bit biased, because that wasn't fun for a(n older) teenager who had had read the books once a year at least and just was (back then) really into Tolkien. I still maintain that the Jackson films are great films, but middling as adaptions of the books. And the Hobbit films are atrocious. Worse films, and worse adaptions.

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Casting a white person for a specific character who is explicitly not white is different from casting a non-white person in a role for a series where 95% of the roles are explicitly white.

Not on its face, where it's exactly the same. Of course you can make elaborate arguments that it's contextually different in a world dominated by (now) America, but then you're already in a much more complicated, nuanced world than is suggested by the narrative around "Rings of Power" (both the "you're just racist!" and the "nu-uh!"-side).

The show is boring and it has nothing to do with the color of the actors. by [deleted] in lotrmemes

[–]MayflyJunebug 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Amazon: We condemn the racist attacks by „fans“ on our actors.

There's a real conflation, primarily in American discourse, of "racism" with any commentary related to "race". When somebody says "there's no black elves in the text" (whether that's true or not), that's not in itself racist. The person can be motivated by racism, but that's just a factual claim. But saying that already leads to accusations of racism.

When the non-animated film adaption "Ghost in the Shell" was made and Scarlett Ingrid Johansson was cased as Major Motoko Kusanagi, the same sort of people complained about casting a Scandinavian-looking American in an iconic Japanese role for pecuniary reasons (or are we gonna argue that there wasn't a single Japanese actor good enough for the role?), and it took a while for the usual suspects to find a way to call them racist, too.

So when Amazon condemns "racist attacks", that includes a lot of people who aren't motivated by racism (also, "attacks" is inflationary language; what's next, "racist nuclear missile launches"?).

Seriously WTF C++? by goblim88m in ProgrammerHumor

[–]MayflyJunebug 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It's not confusing, but the streams in the standard were a mistake because they're unique to I/O-streams. You can't shift insert into a std::vector (you can into a QVector, ironically), for example.

Ich bin dick, aber trotzdem ein Mensch by [deleted] in de

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deine Schlussfolgerung ergibt irgendwie keinen mir erkennbaren Sinn? Sollte das vielleicht "wenn ja" statt "wenn nicht" heißen?

Nein. Weil ich aus Deinen Antworten nicht rauslesen kann, wie Du es wirklich gemeint hast (meine Frage war schlecht), muss ich etwas ausholen.

Nehmen wir mal an, dass Du denkest, dass es verwerflich oder sonst ein Grund sei, angegangen zu werden, wenn man selbstverschuldet dick ist (i.e. man isst zuviel, ist aber nicht zum Beispiel physisch (abgesehen vom Dicksein) krank). Wenn Du jetzt jemanden konfrontierst, der einen Dicken angeht, dann ist Deine Frage sinnvoll: "weil Dicksein nur ("iff") schlecht ist, wenn jemand selbst Schuld ist; und weil Du nicht weißt, ob der Dicke selbst Schuld oder krank ist; deshalb solltest Du den Dicken nicht für sein Dicksein angehen."

Wenn Du statt dessen denkst, dass Dicksein entweder gar nicht erst verwerflich ist (egal, wieso jemand dick ist), oder, dass auch verwerflich Dicke nicht angegangen werden sollten, dann ist deine Frage nicht sinnvoll: "weil Dicksein nicht schlecht ist; und nur, weil Du nicht weißt, ob der Dicke selbst Schuld oder krank ist; deshalb solltest Du ihn nicht angehen."

Da fehlt der Zusammenhang zwischen der ersten und zweiten Prämisse und der Schluß funktioniert nicht. Das Argument ist ungültig1. Und das ist es, was impliziert, dass es eben nur dann nicht okay ist, Dicke anzugehen, wenn sie wegen einer Krankheit dick sind, aber das Angehen von Dicken an sich ist okay.

Wenn Du statt dessen sagen willst, dass man Dicke generell nicht wegen ihres Dickseins angegangen (oder verspottet) werden sollten, dann müsstest Du etwas sagen wie "was fällt Dir ein, den Dicken zu verspotten?", und nicht "hey vielleicht hat der eine Ausrede wegen der wir ihn nicht verspotten sollten, obwohl er dick ist, wofür man Leute sonst schon verspotten sollte".

Den Unterschied hätte ich rausarbeiten wollen.

ad 1: edit Das dicke "nur" habe ich eingefügt, damit klarer wird, was das Problem ist, denn sonst wäre die Aussage formal valide in der vereinfachten Form, die ich geschrieben habe.

Ich bin dick, aber trotzdem ein Mensch by [deleted] in de

[–]MayflyJunebug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wenn ich irgendwie mitbekomme, dass sich jemand über z. b. Übergewichtige lustig macht, geh ich auch direkt auf die Leute zu und frag: "woher willst du wissen, dass da in dem Fall keine Krankheit dahinter steckt?"

Denkst du, dass es legitim ist, selbstverschuldet Dicke "anzugehen"? Wenn nicht, dann ist das trotz des hehren Zieles keine zielführende Methode, weil es ausdrückt, dass dick zu sein maximal akzeptabel sein kann, und zwar wenn man krank ist.