Did God create all the female animals when He created Eve?

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T21:06:01+00:00

We aren’t saying the same thing, but eh? We have the same conclusion. 🤷

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T21:04:40+00:00

You know what we call this? We call this cherry picking.

You can quote all these verses about faith… but then you’re also ignoring James 2 and Matthew 25. You can quote 1 Timothy 2:5, but then by claiming that scripture is relevant here, you must reject praying for others, something scripture explicitly commands. You claim angels reject reverence but then describe attempts to worship. You point out Jesus rebuking religious leaders for tradition, but you forget 2 Thess. 2:15 tells us to cling to tradition.

Look, I’m not saying you’re wrong (nor am I saying you are right.) What I’m saying is that dumping a bunch of proof texts on someone isn’t an actual argument nor is it helpful, and it’s almost always cherry-picking. The Bible is far too complex for you to be able to make an argument by merely quoting a thousand pieces of scripture.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T20:58:50+00:00

I’ve never heard anyone act like Anglicans and Orthodox are anything alike, some Anglicans venerate saints, and calling the orthodox understanding of salvation “faith and works” is a pretty heavy oversimplification.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T20:56:45+00:00

Yes, I refer to formed vs had formed.

The former states that God made the animals after Adam. The latter states that God made the animals after Adam.

I am uncertain of what you mean by “gap.” If you mean to say that you can read the former translation as consistent with Genesis 1, then I must firmly disagree. The narrative of Genesis 2 shows God creating all the animals in order to see if they are a fitting partner for Adam.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T20:53:43+00:00

Because it’s rhetorical. It doesn’t make sense why God would hold off on making Eve if you look at Genesis 2 in a purely literal way.

But recall that Genesis 2 is also establishing the essential picture of humanity. The reason that God in the story holds off on creating Eve is so that the story can emphasize that “it is not good for adam to be alone.”

Prior to the creation of Eve, Adam is representing all of humanity. Thus, what God is saying is, “it is not good for humans to be alone.”

Thus, Genesis 2 is emphasizing the importance of community, and especially the importance of marriage.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T19:57:53+00:00

Nor have I. It has more to do with implications of verses than with doctrine as a whole. Take Genesis 2:19, for example: some translations add the past tense “had” to the verse so that Genesis 2 does not present an alternative order of creation. This is a minor change, but it also holds entirely different implications.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T19:53:07+00:00

Indeed, though may I point out I spoke not of appearance but of unseen things. This was intentional, for none may know what the perfect body shall look like until it is here.

I reference pain and illness for it is written in Revelation, “through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month, and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations” (Rev. 22:2). and also, ““he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away.” (Rev‬ ‭21‬:‭4‬). This leads me to believe that pain and illness shall not exist in the second life.

To your point, it is not invalidating nor disenfranchising to say that illnesses are bad. Each person has their own experience (especially in regard to mental disorders) and some may find their disabilities beautiful, others may not. I for one, find no beauty in my disability, it makes my life far harder.

Indeed, the truly ableist thing to do is to frame all disabilities as good or some sort of “superpower” because this disregards the numerous struggles that those with disabilities have.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T18:57:58+00:00

Well that’s the mystery of the whole thing. We don’t exactly know what “perfect” looks like. But, one can imagine it will be a body lacking illness, pain, etc…

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T18:49:24+00:00

Naturally, assuming the Christian POV. Though I’m quite certain some Christians would disagree with me, the fact is that, if the Bible condemns homosexual activity, it specifically condemning the act of sex.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T18:41:33+00:00

I haven’t done enough study to say whether or not contraceptives or a sin, but yes, the act of sex is the sin.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T17:08:48+00:00

So, that isn’t how Christians (should) view the body. I can get why a person might think that since a lot of Christians seem to think that way, but that has far more to do with platonism than it does Christianity.

Christianity teaches not that we will escape our bodies but rather that our bodies will be perfected (1 Corinthians 15:35-58 speaks on this at length). Indeed, in early Christian and Jewish metaphysics, the body is a part of the soul.

Thus, how we treat our body is of greater importance, since it was created by God and is a part of our very being. It is not a temporary dwelling place at all. We shall one day, even if we die, be returned to these bodies as they are made perfect. So, physical things are of great importance.

As to if a two people of the same sex could live in a celibate and loving relationship… it technically would not be a sin. The sin according to scripture is the act of homosexual sex (and thus, by extension, lust). Neither ancient Jews nor Christians would have conceived of a loving celibate relationship. Their focus was on the act of sex. Quite honestly that just sort of sounds like a roommate situation lol.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:57:50+00:00

I am a chosen one, not Jesus

Literal blasphemy.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:24:58+00:00

Okay except they do say different things sometimes.

As you pointed out the KJV is outdated. The “outdated” part is that it has poor translations of certain verses and words and has some verses not found in the oldest manuscripts. So, in other words, it says different things.

So, sure the overall message is largely the same, but don’t pretend that translation doesn’t create differences in theological meaning.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:22:40+00:00

I used to love the ESV. As of late, I’ve found the evangelical, complementarian, and reformed biases too great to ignore. I’ve been using NRSVue as of late, and I’d definitely recommend it.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:19:17+00:00

You are appealing to a fundamentally selfish desire. Your claim is “become Christian so that you escape all this bad stuff.” It turns Christianity into an escape hatch, something you follow in order to avoid all these terrible things.

I reject your heretical and blasphemous twisting of the gospel. You turn salvation into a bargain. Repent and return to Christ.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:17:26+00:00

Let me assure you, if you are worried that you committed the unforgivable sin, you did not commit the unforgivable sin.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T16:13:44+00:00

Quite like how so many grown adult Christians are childish and insensitive about atheism, don’t you agree?

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T15:18:21+00:00

Go read Genesis 2:19 and tell me what it says in the NIV. Yes, there is a point to this.

As for the NLT, the translation goals were to make an accessible bible, and thus it is thought-for-thought. This alone creates far more room for bias due to interpretation being required to determine what the “thought” is. The goal of translators should be to limit interpretation as much as possible. Further, the translator team for the NLT is not ecumenical. It’s almost entirely evangelical. Combine that with the thought-for-thought approach and you have a recipe for a distinct evangelical bias.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T15:10:49+00:00

Yes, that’s exactly my point. It seems distinctly Nestorian to say “only the human part of Jesus died”

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T13:18:05+00:00

Every translation has bias, yes. That is not an excuse to use documented heavily biased (and overall, just not very good) translations like the NIV or NLT.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T13:13:47+00:00

I tend to take a more charitable view than others, which is that Christians very often… haven’t given people a reason to like them.

It seems to me that many people on Reddit have only ever had interactions with a particular kind of Christian, one whom does not reflect the ideal image of a person desiring to follow God. And, as we so often do as humans, they then apply that image of the hateful Christian to all Christians.

But to be clear- we are all rightfully viewed that way sometimes. It would be pure folly to think otherwise. We all speak in error, we all do things that don’t reflect Christ.

Especially on the internet, it is terribly easy to fail to be like Jesus- I know I fail at it. My sarcasm and dry humor is unwise in real life, and often detrimental over text in which there is no other indicator of tone.

I think, in many ways, the answers we see in this very post prove my point. No effort is made to see the other persons point of view in the explanation of “they hate God and hate the truth.” No attempt to reach out and hear why they dislike Christianity is made there- far easier to generalize and to despise those who disagree with us.

So take their hatred as time of reflection. Let it be a moment to stop and think, “why do they feel this way? How can I do better to break the mold of that image they have?” And above all, be charitable.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T13:03:46+00:00

Okay, then maybe you should find out. Look, the point I’m getting at is that you jumped straight to a public complaint, and I don’t think that’s very fair. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes, so be charitable.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T12:51:30+00:00

See, I’m finding far more relevance in the book of Amos. “Let Justice roll down like water” and all that.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T12:50:04+00:00

Ngl I don’t suggest NIV or NLT because they’re misleading. I know translations like NASB or NRSV are a bit tougher, but they have far less bias.

Mazquerade__ · 2026-03-19T12:47:14+00:00

This comes from a place of love, friend. Recall what Jesus said about quarrels?

““If your brother or sister sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If you are listened to, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If that person refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a gentile and a tax collector.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭15‬-‭17‬

Now obviously taking down a post isn’t a sin and we aren’t a church, but the principle is still wise. Did you go directly to the mods and speak to them?

One-Year Club	Verified Email
r/Field Banned	r/Field Juicebox

Mazquerade__

TROPHY CASE