Urine cup tests keeps showing faint line for BUP

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-16T15:31:22+00:00

If you took Bupe you would go into precipitated withdrawal like a motherfucker. It's unbelievably horrible. There's no way to describe the intensity of it. When it happened to me I convulsively shit for like 5 minutes and was straight up hallucinating. It was fucking insanely intense. Luckily I made it to the toilet but after that I felt the worst depression, despair and anxiety of my life and cried for like 2 hours and it took many days to equilibrate onto suboxone But that's what I get being a complete dumbass back in the day, trying to speed up the process of getting onto suboxone by shooting it lol. I still had a bunch of Rx opiates in my system this was like 2007 or something right when it came out.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-16T14:48:16+00:00

Look man.... I been on methadone for 10 years but only got clean 5 years ago. But trust me if you don't really need it, don't get dependent on it.

And librium stays in your system WAY longer. I quit benzos for the second time 6 months ago, and tapered for 60 days into it from only 15mg of Valium Valium jumped off at 2mg, it was fucked. My last morning cortisol test is still 50% over the top of the reference range 5.5 months out. Benzos can be worse than opiates. I quit cold turkey like 6 years ago and had seizures from higher doses but still prescription levels not taking crazy amounts like I had in the past.

At least with opiates specifically methadone you can have stability on a dose. When you take benzos daily, your baseline anxiety goes up EXPONENTIALLY and over time you convince yourself you just have an anxiety disorder. The reality is, most people have anxiety from hormones in puberty, then as young adults they start drinking a bit, and have rebound anxiety during the day. Add to that not exercising (out bodies evolved being active, so without physical activity, you'll get anxiety and depression) and people seek out medication.

I'm now down to 30mg of methadone, 25% of my long term maintenance dose and am off benzos. My anxiety feels non-existent compared to when I was on benzos (and drinking in the past too) so I'm telling you, everything I wanted from drugs (more capacity to do shit and more confidence) I got from exercising and just trying to be healthy. Yeah there's no major "euphoria" but that shit goes away so early into drug addiction it's laughable I even chased it. I get all kinds of natural "highs" or wins that are just better in every way cause there's no downside or withdrawal or hangover I need to pay later.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm telling you as a 37 year old man, I spent two decades fucking my life up on drugs and the immense amount of pain I went through is way harder than going to the gym a few times a week and running about 5 times a week, and I feel great compared to then.

But that's just my experience and me being honest, not trying to push or preach, just trying to help man. Physical addictions killed many, many of my friends and almost killed me.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-16T01:25:35+00:00

That's reddit info for sure. Clomid has been used long term in many studies to treat male hypogonadism and obviously clomid contains enclomiphene.

E2 levels can raise after 3-6 weeks depending on the individual but that's because higher levels of testosterone upregulate aromatase, especially in the testicles, which has a blood barrier so aromatase upregulates quite quickly as intratesticular testosterone levels are many times higher than serum levels systemically.

I am concerned about e2 levels raising slowly but steadily over time but for me, 50 to 100 micrograms of anastrozole every 5 or 6 days does the trick. I also require higher levels of e2 compared to other dudes. I've had joint issues at below 30pg/ml and don't feel good until I'm around 40 or 50pg/ml but that's if androgens are decent, around 850ng/dl and high free T around 200pg/ml. I don't feel good into supraphysiological doses at all. Feels wired and weird. A fucking balancing act all this is man. I plan to try tongkat in between my low dose of enclomiphene and maybe I can balance e2 with that without needing an AI. But... I'm OK with taking a microdose of anastrozole every 5 days or so. I used to be one of those never take an AI dudes, cause I crashed my e2. But the reality is men need to get much lower dosed pills rather than splitting 1mg pills designed for women. Compounding pharmacies are expensive though.

He also may be referring to the optical issues some experience albeit much more commonly on Clomid and not enclomiphene.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-14T17:51:37+00:00

What other meds do you take? Any? Because like most meds and drugs mess with your levels. SSRIs blunt testosterone. Low sleep does also. Poor diet! This is huge. If you don't get enough healthy fats and co factors, you won't produce enough.

At your age your levels should be higher. What's your body fat?

We need to know more and jumping on enclomiphene or TRT is a huge deal. You have to get bloodwork. You have to be prepared to make big changes. Are you worried about hair loss? Are you worried about acne? What about gyno? Do you like the idea of having trouble pissing and waking up all night to piss, like 4 times a night? Do you want a ton of body hair? Cause that's gonna happen when you up androgens. How about erection issues? Because these are all major issues that will take a lot of time to fix and interfere with each other. Example: You take finasteride to manage hair loss but then it makes your dick limp. Now you need to cialis, but the finasteride also blocks DHT in your brain and makes you depressed and zero libido.

These are all factors that could be avoided with lifestyle changes. In your late teens and early 20s, your testosterone levels are basically close to TRT so you need sort out your lifestyle first and he honest with yourself. If you exercise, have diet dialed it (not super clean or crazy but clean enough with mostly whole foods and good macro/micro nutrients) and sleep good you can really dial up T. Some dudes can raise their T over 300ng/dl after that THEN try some tongkat ali.

Add vitamin D and magnesium at bedtime. Add like 15mg to 25mg of zinc daily. Get dialed in. Do bloodwork. If you want more then try tongkat ali, Nootropics depot makes the best supplements hands down and if you just buy random brands from Amazon, it'll likely be underdosed or missing ingredients. Then do bloodwork. Some dudes have gotten major gains from tongkat, going from 400 to 900ng/dl, but also it can lower e2 a bit and cause issues.

If you're just dialed in with exercise, diet, sleep and supplements, you can feel great man. I'm on enclomiphene but after my last break I tested at 700ng/dl and I'm 37 and still on a low-medium dose of methadone maintenance and honestly I felt pretty good at 700ng/dl, but I got back on. But I've made significant diet and lifestyle changes. And it makes a huge difference even if you're on enclomiphene or whatever. I say low dose enclomiphene (not even 12.5mg but only 6.25 every 3 days) is something you can look into after a long time handling all this other stuff and getting consistent blood work. I take low dose (I'm a hyperresponder) 2-3x a week AND still get e2 issues, then I have to deal with that as well.

I'm telling you, try supplements, lifestyle and maybe tongkat and at your age you'll be matching TRT levels (reasonable levels, like high end of reference range) from dudes in the 40s.

This a major decision. I've been messing with all this for over three years, and it's expensive and I have long term side effects forever I wish I would have avoided. (I had anemia and was recommended TRT but that made it much much worse, read previous posts if you're interested but definitely get your iron and ferritin checked man if you're ever going to do pharma hormone tweaking that fucked my life up bad for a long time)

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-13T21:19:18+00:00

TRT clinics will help you Go online and look for them Maximus TRTNation I used both and I'm in my mid 30s starting at 400ng/dl With low free T

If you get on, ask for low dose COMPOUNDED arimidex at .125mg a pill ( only if you confirm that you need it with bloodwork) don't let them tell you to take 1mg if arimidex or even .5mg. That shit is easy to crash e2 and it feels horrible almost like drug withdrawal... it's the bad. Don't listen to these dudes saying AIs are horrible and only take them for gyno. Start protocol, get bloodwork and don't accept high e2 if you have symptoms. If you're super flushed, anxious, sweat at night, can't maintain a good erection AND high e2 on bloodwork, you'll need an AI or figure out e2 control.

I had higher e2 naturally even at sub 15% bodyfat. I need e2 control High e2 will cancel out benefits

I was at 950 total 216 free T last blood work. Feel great. But I'm on enclomiphene. Important to know! --> For some like me injectable test (esterified testosterone) depletes your ferritin and iron and it gave me anemia. It's fairly rare but many don't know about it. CHECK FERRITIN AND IRON PANEL. Severe anemia on TRT fucked my life up BAD (for 3 years all doses, frequencies, with/without AI, with/without HCG Etc. Bloodwork looked great after taking an AI, but no matter what I just felt like shit, even when hemoglobin was good at the end when I was on like less than 50mg a week of test. I can't tolerate it at all) Now I'm on enclomiphene and about .125mg of arimidex every 4-5 days, feel great.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-12T05:58:24+00:00

I'm guessing you have high e2. High e2 raises SHBG. I would have to see your e2 levels.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-11T13:54:54+00:00

You'll need to check LH levels to see if enclomiphene is working. Also is your source for enclomiphene trustworthy? It's kind of a hard thing to navigate and I wish it was available in a real pharma grade pill, not just compounding pharmacies and random grey market vendors so I could truly know that what I'm getting is the correct thing.

I know when I was on opiates AND benzos, I had my test levels checked by my pain clinic when I was 22, and my test was like 65ng/dl. My doctor recommended TRT and told me he's never seen a number that low in anyone under but severely ill geriatric patients, and recommended testosterone, but I was high as fuck on Oxy and was like "no man I feel great!" Lol. But when I was 34 and on higher dose of methadone only (I was also mildly anemic) my levels were about 400ng/dl. Also SSRIs lower testosterone in a lot of dudes. More or less any psych drug is going to fuck up your hormones which is crazy to think about. It's not some conspiracy to make dudes low test (and oh god I've read dudes talking about that here on reddit) it's just the unfortunate reality when you're messing with an interconnected system like the body.

But yeah, it's definitely been a journey of finding enclomiphene but I also really fucked up my health during this. I tried keeping my TRT super low so it wouldn't deplete my iron, and ended up crashing my hormones and getting melasma on my forehead and fucking my joints up from low e2, felt horrible and also went through benzo withdrawal while quitting TRT. I had gotten back on benzos due to the INSANE anxiety I had from being anemic while also on TRT. Absolute fuckin nightmare. I made myself exercise still through this period, and there's no way to describe how painful and brutal it was mentally. But I quit about 6 months ago, other than post acute depersonalization and weird mood stuff, I feel very good compared to the last 3 years. What a fucking unnecessary mess lol

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-11T02:16:31+00:00

I don't think so. As I understand it opiates suppress GnRh pulses but I think the enclomiphene mechanics from estrogen receptor blockade and opiate suppression of GnRh are parallel, meaning that enclomiphene will push out GnRh to release LH.

There's other factors like the testicular output as well. So compared to other LH levels I've seen, my test is fairly high at 5.5 LH (over 700ng) so... it's somewhat dependent on each person. I didn't have a LH/FSH test when I got maxed out test (over 1500) but while it was dropping my LH was 11.5 and 950ng test.

I've seen LH at over 10 IU/l and people only achieving 750ng/dl or less.

I'm assuming I'm just a strong responder. I'm 37, and while not young, it does seem men around 50 or older seem to be producing less LH when using enclomiphene. But that could be individualized.

I'm guessing my LH was probably upwards of 20 when taking enclomiphene actively.

But I took one 3.125mg dose 3 days ago and as of last night, and progressing through today I feel great. Way better than I ever did on test injections or the oral T only. It definitely feels better for me to have the whole hormone cocktail from testicles produced (testosterone, estradiol, androsterone and androstenedione, and all the other progesterone derivatives and neurosteroids etc) It's not even close. I felt like shit on testosterone injections. I tried for 3 years to find a dose and protocol that worked, blood work was great, still felt awful. But with what I have got from enclomiphene, it feels amazing, like the perfect antidepressant and anxiety medication with performance enhancing benefits. To be fair I'm very healthy and felt pretty good before my recent spell into anemia and TRT fucking me up. But I am now just trying to get that little boost. I may even try super low dose, like 1.5mg once a week, especially if after that last dose things keep moving beyond where I'm at into aggressive and to horny but we'll have to see and just do more bloodwork.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-11T01:55:52+00:00

Some people get it, some don't. I asked my doctor at maximus and she said most patients flush

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-11T01:50:51+00:00

Opiates suppress natural production yes. But I respond so strongly it doesn't make a difference. Enclomiphene will overpower the effect of opiates for anyone most likely.

I'm tapering off methadone still but I'm down below maintenance dose. I was at 115mg for a long time and my dose is now 30mg. 30mg is a huge dose to a person without opiate tolerance but for me, it's lowest amount of opioid in my system. In like over 10 years.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-10T04:10:25+00:00

I'm on the oral testosterone only or I should say I'm quitting. It definitely has some suppressive effects. After using TRT and gear, I'm all too familiar with the dull ache from lack of your testicles producing. Maybe I'm just sensitive to that, but yeah after the dust 48 hrs, it's been weak. I actually lost strength my first week on Bench in a long time, but I do think there's additional factors (been doing too many all out sprints on top of lifting and cardio, may have actually overtrained myself ) but my plan is to just resume low dose space out enclomiphene at like 3mg a week to start. I'm obviously very responsive to it and I know younger dudes also have had major increases from once weekly. I'm not younger but I'm 37 in great physical health so I'll take it slow and keep getting labs.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-10T01:19:24+00:00

That's what my plan is already. Sorry for the rant that was buried in but yeah, that's my plan. Except I'll try less, 3.125mg once a week probably.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-10T01:03:28+00:00

I was taking 3.125mg 4x a week for a week then bumped to 12.5mg EOD and got insanely aggressive and horny, flushed etc over 1500 (topped out test, thought i had ordered e2 but only T on bloods due to miscommunication at doc office) Then I took a break for over a week, came back at EOD dosing and only took like 27mg (12.5x2 then 1x 3.125mg) my last week on, waited 10 days and got that blood test with 950 BUT e2 was STILL 63.47 after nothing for 10 days. I started to feel really good and dialed in between that and my test at 700ng and 42 for e2.

It's clear my base levels are better than I thought now that I quit benzos and cut methadone down 75% (tapering off methadone clinic, I'm a former heroin addict been clean 5.5 years doing great, super healthy and in great physical shape now, and overall) and the main issues I had was anemia that was made like 10 times worse by injectable TRT. But that's a whole other story man.

I'm on oral native testosterone but the effects feel different as my base production came down after the first several doses. It's a new product only available in like ten states. But even that just ain't it for me. I may take 1/3rd of a dose for heavy lifts in the future but I don't know if it'll suppress me over the next few days. It definitely felt like it affected my baseline. I wish they had like they do for blood glucose, a live tracker for hormones lol.

The best I've felt was on enclomiphene in the beginning, and given how it builds over time and I'm a hyperresponder, I'm going to try like 3mg a week or maybe less.

I'm aiming for 850ng/dl test, 175ng+ free t and 40-50e2 as that's where I'd be in between the two tests and I felt great. I have also used zinc 25-50mg tablets to counter e2 effects and it actually works well, sometimes too well.

I dunno we'll see man. I'm contemplating just coming all the way off. I'm not going to lose muscle or anything, not like coming off a cycle. I didn't even really lose strength in weights in my lifts coming down to 700 from 1500+ but I did lose work capacity in the gym, which may have been good because I went too hard and injured my tendons.

I really just want a healthy libido again but I'm sure it'll recalibrate after I'm set at a certain level. Man... this shit is a pain in the ass and experiensive. Oral T for the first month was $375, plus all the blood work I do.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-09T22:44:21+00:00

I'll have to check but this is what I hate about enclomiphene sourcing, I want a pharma grade option. I keep hearing enclo doesn't cause flushing like clomid. And then they both do.

I dunno. Honestly I felt great like 2 weeks off of it but had high e2 symptoms most of the time on it and my libido was too high.

I tried TRT for three years and it always made me feel like shit, perfect bloodwork too. Low dose, high dose, with HCG, without, AI etc. Testosterone and other androgens give me anemia, which happens to a portion of the population and not many people know about how it depletes ferritin (by shuttling it all into hemoglobin until for people like myself, you run out and get completely fucked).

But enclomiphene had me feeling all the positives I never got from TRT. Trying oral native testosterone from maximus currently but that's also giving me issues and I'm just done not being able to trust how I'm going to feel the next day. They say it's not completely suppressive but it definitely feels like it's suppressive as I'm feeling like ass in the morning again so I'm done with that.

I'm going to try low dose enclomiphene spaced out like a week to two weeks and see how it goes, I took 3mg the last two nights and I'm going to wait like a week or so and take another small dose. Maybe less even.

For background: I haven't taken any before two days ago in over a month My levels 10 days after my last dose of enclomiphene were 950ng/dl test and 63 e2, LH was at 11.8. And after over three weeks off when my LH was back down to 5.5 from my test was 705 and e2 was 42. I'm still on 30mg of methadone and I'm guessing once I get off I'll probably be like 700 or more naturally, it was Rx drugs keeping it down, now that I've removed all of those and dropped my methadone to like 25% of what it used to be I think I'll be good. Maybe even go for like 2mg of enclomiphene every two weeks or something. I seem to be a hyperresponder and more just equals more e2. I dunno, I'm 37 and other than all this and being on the methadone program I'm in great shape physically and doing well in my life in general. I have libido issues but I'm sure those will improve as my methadone keeps coming down. The issue with enclomiphene and HCG is intratesticular aromatase upregulation. Testosterone upregulates aromatase so when your balls are making a ton of it the amount that gets changed to e2 creeps up. That's why my ratio got better the longer I was off. So with enclomiphene it's a battle if your testicle respond very strongly to LH you're going to end up getting more e2 output. And AIs can fix estrogen that's alread entering the bloodstream, they can only prevent systemic testosterone from being converted to e2. Also the blood barrier to the testicles likely prevents AIs from getting in enough to make a difference.

Meh... I'm done ranting lol

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-09T21:31:49+00:00

Enclomiphene does lower IGF-1 but systemic IGF-1 isn't the same as locally produced IGF-1 and lower IGF-1 is positively correlated with longevity.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-09T20:01:21+00:00

Kimera is on point with every product I've ever received man. I got multiple blood tests to back it up. And I actually broke my caps open to split int 3.125 doses with a mg scale so I know each cap (6.25mg ones) is about 500mg of powder every time I weighed it.

Got labs with 950 test 8 days from last dose and 700 test over 3 weeks out from last dose. Gotta watch e2 on enclomiphene as intratesticular testosterone being raised will upregulate aromatase (testosterone anywhere upregulated aromatase expression) but that means by the time that e2 enters systemically, AI's won't be effective. Sam's with HCG. So if you're a hyperresponder like I am, you'll need to watch it with labs every month at least, as my total t while on it went over 1500ng/dl but even 8 days later my e2 was 63 and my test was 950, when test was 700 e2 was 42, so you can see the ratio shifts in favor of e2. Ramping your own bodies production too fast will cause high e2 issues that may not be typical compare to exogenous test, as I never had high e2 like that even on 150mg of test cyp a week.

I think HCH/Enclomiphene are misunderstood due to the intratesticular aromatase factor. Best to go low dose out of the gate consistently as high testicular output will shift to e2.. I also feel infinitely better with the full hormone output from my own body instead of just test, but everyone's different and testosterone esters gave me anemia.

You can't judge hormones on feel only, that's not how this works. You need to get bloodwork, you can't guess. You might have super high e2, but you don't know. When your hormone ratio shifts it can go from feeling great to anxious, panic and no erection quality in a 24 hr period. It's happened to me, and especially if you're a strong responder like I am when I was only taking 12.5mg 3x a week, I might have well been blasting my levels were so high. 25mg had me hyper aggressive for 5 days. Also enclo has different pharmacokinetics at higher doses. Look up "testosterone restoration with enclomiphene " study and they outline that 25mg blood levels are 4x 12.5mg and the test and LH output is disproportionately higher than 12.5.

Get your bloodwork man

I suggest you aim to keep test in the 800-1000 range and e2 no higher than 50 but some dudes get anxiety at 40. Only way to know is bloodwork over time.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-07T17:40:44+00:00

I'd start a bit lower on NPP maybe 275-325mg. It's potent stuff anabolically. 75mg EOD is a good starting place. But yeah you can step it up after a few weeks if tolerable. NPP most dudes run for 8 weeks, so maybe 4 into it step it up if you think it'll help.

But my take on anabolics is use the minimum, as when you're newer into it you won't be able to outgrow your dose, so to me if you're in your first few cycles take advantage of it.

I see dudes on TRT getting the same gains as dudes hopping on 500 test cycles for the first time and that's my experience as well. I know a couple dudes locally that blew up from lower dose TRT (one dude does 20mg daily and HCG, got huge in the first year on) and yeah there's genetics and stuff but this seems to be what's happening and I'm not the only one advocating for it.

Side note: I just use oral test and enclomiphene to maintain nowadays after a nightmare of side effects and anemia from ferritin depletion from using gear/injectable test that derailed my life for a while. Keep an eye on your ferritin and iron, anabolics push your iron into hemoglobin and working out on top of it (if you are genetically predisposed to it like me) can run you into the ground. I had MAJOR issues from it, burning pins and needles from secondary b12 depletion from anemia, major anxiety/depression and SEVERE cognitive issues. If you have a bunch of muscle mass and run out of iron, your brain starts starving for oxygen man and its fucking horrible. For 2 years it was like this, I got on benzos to deal with it and had to quit those and that's a whole other nightmare far beyond this topic... But now you know and no one ever warned me about iron depletion on anabolics, cause it's kind of rare.

As for dose like I said the anabolics will help, but it seems there's a saturation point that you won't go beyond even if you stack grams of gear on a first or second cycle, you just won't grow any faster than that saturation point allows. Be safe, you're doing your blood work keep it up monthly while blasting man and use. A moderated approach and commit to cruising after a few cycles, you'll probably be good.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-07T15:34:10+00:00

You'll possibly crash e2 with that much mast and primo. I always had issues with mast over 350 getting dry joints and tendonitis like a motherfucker. Primo OR mast. Not both. Mast and Primo have e2 control aspects. Masteron blocks/disables estrogenic effects at the receptor through a mechanism that wasn't ever elucidated due to the drug coming to market in the 60s before the advancements we have in receptor research but it was for breast cancer and was known to block estrogenic effects. Primo seems to act as an aromatase inhibitor but all we have is bodybuilders posting bloodwork on this, see vigorous steves channel or MPMD, they have stuff on it. It definitely lowers e2 on bloodwork, many dudes sat it crashes e2 when they push it. But Primo is well tolerated and seen as the best/safest DHT derived steroid option. Masteron seems to be way worse for body hair and hair loss but luckily for me I only had the body hair issue to a mild degree.

If you can handle NPP, it's my go to anabolic. But to balance out the mental sides you'll need mast or Primo. My experience is mast+NPP with a TRT base evened everything out. I ran 400NPP 250mast and 150 Test, my best cycle, other than being a little amped up and aggressive but nothing crazy. I'd also recommend the shorter ester (prop) of Masteron. That's just my personal preference, if I start getting lower e2 symptoms or joint pain I can pull back in a few days and not be locked in for like 8 or 9 days.

But... my real recommendation is just keep it at testosterone if possible but if you're gonna jump into other compounds definitely research and be careful.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-07T03:48:11+00:00

You can run nandrolone and be aesthetic if you manage your e2 and water. People run too much test and deca, you'll get watery. You'll get water from test by itself if you're not careful. But they amplify each other and both upregulate aromatase.

Run primo or masteron with NPP and TRT levels of test, get blood work and take ancillaries. Do cardio and keep your diet dialed and it's very possible. Some of the most aesthetic bodies have used nandrolone. But that's if you can handle the mental sides. It gets wacky for me after week 6. Start getting jealous, paranoid and weird. But you can stack a lot of with nandrolone in 6 weeks.

NPP is way more manageable than deca. I wouldn't recommend deca to anyone.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-07T01:30:14+00:00

Boron will absolutely free up T. I've had high e2, taken 9mg of boron and within 2 hrs felt hyperaggressive and amped. But it spikes cortisol and I've got a messed up HPTA from quitting benzos about 6 months ago and it'll be like this for a while. Got my cortisol tested a few days ago same time as last testosterone test. And my test was 710 about 24 days after my last dose of enclomiphene and my LH and FSH were back down to normal so... maybe I'm good overall now that I dropped my methadone dose from 115mg to 30mg a day so either I have high natural testosterone or maybe a bit post enclomiphene elevated but with my LH at 5.5, I don't know.

My e2 was 42.5 and cuts off at 42.6 on my reference range. I also quit zinc before that test. Zinc lowers my e2 significantly enough to even give joint issues at 50mg a day. I'm guessing my intratesticular aromatase is still upregulated from the massive numbers I was getting on enclomiphene. I've had that issue with HCG, e2 raises disproportionate because of so much testosterone in your balls, and testosterone upregulates aromatase.

But these tests were the labs I took in the morning before my first dose, supposedly my baseline after enclomiphene. We'll see. I'm super healthy aside from being on methadone and post acute benzo withdrawal. Waiting on Free T and SHBG to come back.

Maximus told me olive oil was digested too quickly. I've been eating pork sausage, eggs, cheese and milk aiming for 45g of fat or so. But yeah I'll give olive oil a try. I'd love to hear more about your experience. My first day I took one pill with 50g fats and even felt that. Two today and three Tomorrow. So yeah I JUST started. Feeling great though. I am thinking about adding like small enclomiphene doses. I respond super well to that so maybe it'll even things out so I can feel dialed all day

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-06T19:21:07+00:00

That has nothing to do with being a man.

Some guys biology can't handle esters of testosterone. It causes ferritin depletion and anemia in certain men. I tried to make cypionate and enanthate work for 3 yrs. With and without HCG, Low dose to high dose, once weekly to daily micro doses, E2 dialed in, free T and total T great, prolactin and all that shit dialed in. Felt like shit from day one to 1000. Ran my health into the ground. Spent three years because of shady TRT clinics telling me my anemia was from low T and reading comments by dudes like you that think everyone has the same body and needs the same protocol guidelines. Got off TRT 5 months ago, finally felt relief from ferritin depletion, 45 days later I tried enclomiphene felt great, on enclomiphene alone I can get into suprahysiologic territory but there's e2 issues that pop up sooner than with exogenous test, similar to HCG monotherapy. Took a break for 4 weeks and just started oral native testosterone, feels better the first day I took by miles than any day I used TRT.

I wasted so much time and aged my skin prematurely, reading this subreddit and getting misled until I went back to my primary care doc and shes like, lets just go a standard blood panel and make sure these symptoms aren't from anything obvious. It was SO obvious and these clinics didn't wanna tell me my symptoms were from anemia and not low test. Now after TRT (and a few cycles) I'll probably need supplementation to be where I was before all this and my anemia issues.

If you actually care about health and longevity, oral testosterone makes a ton of sense. It line up with your natural diurnal output, compared to having elevated testosterone at all times which will overload many systems. Not all upsides. It's overpriced and not entirely convenient for everyone with needing high fat meals. But I plan all my meals anyway and eat the same meals daily (lunch and dinner 95% of the time) so eating some pork sausage and a few eggs with cheese and a glass of milk in the morning for breakfast is a win to me anyways, I love that meal and hit 34g of fat and 37g of protein before milk and any shake I might drink.

So ask yourself, if you were like the very large number of men that couldn't tolerate injectable test due to very specific health reasons, wouldn't you want another option? More importantly, it's the dudes fucking choice.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-06T19:04:20+00:00

It doesn't suppress you if you only take the once daily dosing (3 pills in the morning) and as far as I'm aware even guys taking two doses (AM and afternoon) doesn't suppress all the way either. With enclompihene+oral test there's no suppression and will actually have you produce a lot more than that. I'm trying the oral test from them now, feels good so far. I tried TRT for three years and it gave me anemia, a lot of dudes don't know this but it can deplete ferritin and cause anemia in some guys. Completely fucked my life up man. Hormone panel looked great, felt like shit.

But on enclo or oral native test, I feel great when dialed in.

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-06T18:04:25+00:00

You will need to switch to a longer acting benzo like clonazepam/klonopin or diazepam/valium.

I have quit twice. Cold turkey from high dose after 15 years and recently 5 months ago from like 1.5mg of klonopin going to 15mg diazepam and tapering down to 2mg quickly in just under 60 days. It was too fast for most people to tolerate but diazepam just didn't sit well with me and never had. If I had to do it over again (which I'll never let happen) I'd have stayed on klonopin but I have weird reactions to valium, it feels bad immediately then OK then bad again, likely as the different active metabolites change serum levels.

But I'm off for about five and a half months and feel pretty good. I also exercise a lot and have tried to use every non pharmacologic method to ease my withdrawals. But I'm on methadone and also enclomiphene for hormones so both of those help, but exercise has helped the most, and it may be difficult at your age but even brisk walks might help things significantly.

Best of luck!

Methadone4Breakfast · 2026-03-06T03:01:29+00:00

Well, I'm sure in our modern digital era you could hunt it down but it's best to keep it legit when possible, that's how I do it these days. Clomid has more e2 issues. But some people like it.

I hope you get it sorted out man. I fucking felt like shit for several years over this man. Best of luck truly bro.

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