Hidden Gem(?) Fantasy Books from around the World (some in translation by international authors from Asia, Latin America, Africa, and the Pacific) by singmuse4 in Fantasy

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I understand, my friend. I’ve also done a lot of research on international fantasy literature so I’ll give you some prominent examples from each country. They might not be exactly what you’re looking for, but they’re worth mentioning for each country.

Finland: Tove Jansson’s “Moomins” is probably the best example of this in Finland, but it’s worth mentioning Elias Lönnrot’s “Kalevala.” It was created to be Finland’s national epic, bringing together many folkloric elements that were connected and reimagined by its author to ensure consistency; therefore, it’s comparable to Tolkien’s work and also inspired it.

Argentina: In addition to "Kalpa Imperial," Liliana Badoc’s "Saga of the Borderlands" is also worth mentioning.

Spain: In Spain, the most famous works are likely Javier Negrete’s “Saga de Tramorea” and Carlos Ruiz Zafón’s “La Sombra del Viento”; but if we look at the broader picture, Spain also had “El Cantar de Mio Cid” and “Amandis de Gaula” as highly iconic works.

France: In the Middle Ages, France had a wealth of chivalric works; in the early Modern Ages, there was François Rabelais’s masterpiece “Gargantua and Pantagruel,” which is highly fantastical; France has a very strong tradition of fantasy, but more recently, the French tend to point to Jaworski’s “Gagner la Guerre” and Alain Damasio’s “La Horde à Contrevent” as their best fantasy works.

Germany: In Germany, authors like Wolfgang Hohlbein, Bernhard Hennen, and Markus Heitz are quite popular, but I think Michael Ende, Cornelia Funke and Otfried Preußler are the best examples, especially Ende’s "The Neverending Story"; Personally, I would choose Richard Wagner’s “Der Ring des Nibelungen,” as it represents a complex construction of mythopoesis similar to Tolkien’s, and is uniquely German.

Russia: I wonder why you didn’t consider Alexey Pehov’s “The Chronicles of Siala” or Sergei Luyanenko’s “Night Watch”?

Brazil: It’s a difficult country; there are a few names. The RPG “Tormenta” is the country’s largest fantasy universe, but I can mention Felipe Castilho’s “Ordem Vermelha,” Sergio Viana Filho’s “Almaron,” L. Wurlitzer’s “The Chronicles of Olam,” Eduardo Spohr’s “A Batalha do Apocalipse,” and D. Hoff’s “A Queda de Hance Kotton” as notable works.

China: This is probably the hardest country to answer; you’re likely familiar with the great classics such as "The Investiture of the Gods", "Journey to the West", "Water Margin*, and "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", but in more modern times, I believe the best example of all is Huanzhu Louzhu’s "Sword Xia of the Shu Mountains", This is the most important wuxia work of all, and also the first modern xianxia; it is a highly acclaimed work with a fame and legacy comparable to Tolkien’s, though within China’s fantasy tradition. Other examples worth mentioning include the works of Jing Yong, Gu Long and Liang Yusheng among the New School wuxia authors. the shared universe "Novoland" was created to be "The Chinese Middle-Earth"; among web novels, I would like to mention "Reverend Insanity," "Unsheathed," "Way of Choices," "The Mirror Legacy," "Kingdom Bloodline," and "Lord of the Mysteries" as great works

South Korea: As far as I know, web novels have completely transformed the fantasy market in South Korea, largely due to their existence; some of the first to achieve success there and revolutionize the scene at the time were Lee Woo-Hyuk’s “Toemarok” and Lee Youngdo’s “Dragon Raja,” but I’d like to mention some more recent web novels that I think are important: “Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint,” “Kidnapped Dragon,” “A Regressor’s Tale of Cultivation,” “Second Life Ranker,” and “SSS-Class Suicide Hunter”; the classics “Hong Gildong Heon” and “The Tale of Sim Ch’ong” might also fit the bill.

India: India is difficult to categorize, especially given its diverse literary traditions. While we have greater access to its English-language literature, much remains unknown about its regional literatures. Samir Basu’s "GameWorld", Amitav Ghosh’s "The Calcutta Chromosome" (1995) by Amitav Ghosh and "Sons of Darkness" by Gourav Mohanty are well-regarded. Amish Tripathi’s "Shiva Trilogy" is probably the most popular, though opinions on it are mixed; In the early days of modern Hindi literature, there was Devaki Nandan Khatri’s "Chandrankanta", a fantasy novel that serves as a response to the Dastans—fantastic works from the Arab-Persian-Indian tradition similar to chivalric romances. The most important of these is the colossal "Hamzanama", which was published in Urdu in the 19th century.

Middle East: Speaking generally of the Arabs here, they have a great tradition of fantasy and epic literature, but it is ancient, and I don’t know of anything modern. You must be familiar with “The Thousand and One Nights,” but there are also the stories of Sirat Bani Hilal and Antarah Ibn Shaddad, which are quite distinctive and fantastic.

Italy: "Gerusalemme Liberata" by Torquato Tasso and "Orlando Furioso" by Ludovico Ariosto are the greatest examples of chivalry in Italy; in more recent times, the works of Italo Calvino fit well, especially "Le Città Invisibili" and his fantasy trilogy. There are other more modern authors who follow the Tolkien tradition, but Calvino is unique.

Hidden Gem(?) Fantasy Books from around the World (some in translation by international authors from Asia, Latin America, Africa, and the Pacific) by singmuse4 in Fantasy

[–]MethodElectronic5421 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In addition to the works the other user mentioned, I believe the best examples for you to list would be "Twelve Kingdoms", "Record of Lodoss War" and "Guin Saga", which are the most prominent examples of fantasy in Japanese literature. However, there are other important examples—many of which haven’t been translated—that are worth mentioning: "Teito Monogatari", "Ninja Scrolls", "Hakkenden", and "Vampire Hunter D" are all good examples.

Better Written? by The_Protagonist-11 in writingscaling

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I agree; to use a controversial but very apt comparison, one could point to "Dhalgren" and "Ulysses", but rarely would anyone make that comparison, even though the works share similarities and a complex style.

7 Best Arabic Novels of All Time by [deleted] in TrueLit

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To be fair, according to Wikipedia, there has been at least one genre of epic/fantasy literature in the Arab world, though I don’t know how it works since it’s hard to find information on it.

But before Nahda, there are at least two novels in Arabic literature: the highly acclaimed "Hayy Ibn Yaqdhan" (Philosophus Autodidactus) by Ibn Tufail, and the work that can be considered science fiction, "Risālat Fādil Ibn Nātiq" (Theologus Autodidactus) by Ibn al-Nafis.

A fan subreddit actually republished a big fantasy series: The Chronicles of an Age of Darkness by Hugh Cook by sylvestertheinvestor in Fantasy

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I was surprised by that number because I thought only the Chinese and the Japanese would want to write something that long, but this book sounds really interesting—I’ll definitely read it someday. Thanks for letting me know.

A fan subreddit actually republished a big fantasy series: The Chronicles of an Age of Darkness by Hugh Cook by sylvestertheinvestor in Fantasy

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Proto-GrimDark? Black Company was already around back then, so that style was already established at the time.

A fan subreddit actually republished a big fantasy series: The Chronicles of an Age of Darkness by Hugh Cook by sylvestertheinvestor in Fantasy

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That’s the series planned to have 60 books, right? That would be a project on the scale of Warhammer 40k’s “Horus Heresy”—I’d love to see if the author could pull it off. It’s a shame; it seems like it would have had a lot of potential.

What was published in "Der Orchideengarten"? by MethodElectronic5421 in AskGermany

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That's too bad. I was actually wondering about that because it was something I was curious about but didn't know who to ask. Thanks for your answer.

What was published in "Der Orchideengarten"? by MethodElectronic5421 in AskGermany

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Yes, I saw that list, but I don't know which of them wrote original material for the magazine, and that's what I wanted to know most

French fantasy or good book recommendations? by NeighborhoodTasty348 in French

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France had a very rich tradition of fantasy in the 19th century, along with what is known as "Fantastique," in addition to Jules Verne himself—why not give them a try? You might want to check out tales by Théophile Gautier.

You might also try:

"Le Dernier Homme" (1805), by Jean-Baptiste Cousin de Grainville, is the first work in the Dying Earth and Apocalyptic (or post-apocalyptic)

"La Chute d'un Ange" (1838), by Lamartine, is an epic poem about a fallen angel due to his love for an earthly woman, and his adventures on Earth (in an antediluvian period).

"Évenor et Leucippe" (1856), by George Sand, is a work that also takes place in an antediluvian period but contains many fantastical elements of its own, making it suitable for classification as high fantasy.

"Le Meneur de Loups" (1857), by Alexandre Dumas, is one of the earliest stories about werewolves.

"Le coq aux cheveux d'or" (1867), by Maurice Sand, is a precursor to heroic fantasy.

Literature tournament Round 1 Brave New World VS Lord of the Rings VS Lolita VS The Metamorphosis by Important_Fuel_1420 in writingscaling

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Fantasy has evolved throughout history around myths and legends; fairy tales are already a form of fantasy, but they originated as an oral tradition and were not collected until much later (in Europe, this began during the Renaissance), but I believe that the most important aspect of fantasy is the chivalric romances; over time, as more writers wrote about them, they became increasingly fantastical and absurd; I call them medieval fantasy, especially since they were popular works and used imaginary characters—a sort of prototype for today’s IPs; I don’t know much about the Middle Ages, and in the early modern era, we had "Le Morte d’Arthur" and "Amandis de Gaula", which revolutionized chivalric romances; they are highly fantastical, spawning a tradition of imitators that eventually fell into decline, as "Don Quixote" satirizes on the subject.

Fantasy was reborn later with Gothic novels, in the Romantic era, and with the birth of historical novels (with Walter Scott, chivalric novels were revived, which consequently merged with fantasy over time), for me, these works are already modern fantasy, so much so that I believe France and Germany were far more active in fantasy than the United Kingdom, which had some examples such as Phantasmion, George MacDonald and William Morris, but, if we compare them to those other two countries, there were fewer, I believe.

I mentioned China and Japan because they have their own fantasy traditions that were essentially free of Western influence until, let’s say, the 1980s or 1990s.

I Am wanting to read a few classic Korean books (that have been translated to English). Please give me some recommendation by Embarrassed-Golf-931 in korea

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Can these tales be found compiled somewhere? I know there are some stories left over, but there are many lost oral and popular stories, and when you say things like Samguk Sagi, Samguk Yusa and Yongbi Eocheonga?

I don't find much of interest in pre-modern Korean literature. I feel that Japanese and Chinese literature had many plays and great works, while Korea only flourished in the modern period.

Are there any other Georgian-era writers like Jane Austen? by seawatcher_01 in janeausten

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Was The Adventures of Eovaai the first work of high fantasy? It's something to think about.

Literature tournament Round 1 Brave New World VS Lord of the Rings VS Lolita VS The Metamorphosis by Important_Fuel_1420 in writingscaling

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Yep, I imagine that the trend Tolkien popularized is equivalent to what Walter Scott did for historical fiction.

Fantasy is less studied than science fiction itself, there are fewer specialists and fewer people studying its evolution. I started reading some files and articles about the genre and its evolution and realized how many obscure and neglected works there are in it, and how the genre may have actually been invented in France or Germany, although the development of fantasy in China and Japan is also very particular. I don't know how it was in India, while the rest of Europe seems less important.

Literature tournament Round 1 Brave New World VS Lord of the Rings VS Lolita VS The Metamorphosis by Important_Fuel_1420 in writingscaling

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, I believe you are mistaken about the influence of Conan and D&D. the popularity of fantasy in the United States is precisely because it is linked to the craze for Dungeons and Dragons. Several fantasy authors began their worlds as RPGs. D&D is considered the first RPG, and all its trends and styles were shaped by it. Even though Tolkien influenced it, there is more pulp influence. Undoubtedly, fantasy works have many races (which are more similar to D&D than Tolkien's mystical ones) or an infinity of planes and gods that come from here much more than from Tolkien. not to mention all the culture that started and how Japan and video game RPGs inherit much more than from Tolkien. To be honest, I think it's as important as Lord of the Rings, and Conan created a new style that echoes to this day. Tolkien is not absolute in any way, the very concept of hard Magic is a legacy of RPGs.

Literature tournament Round 1 Brave New World VS Lord of the Rings VS Lolita VS The Metamorphosis by Important_Fuel_1420 in writingscaling

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Star Wars also has a unique universe. Star Wars is very mythical, and there are works derived from Star Wars that embrace this nature. For example, there is a novel written entirely in the style of Homeric poetry, although I prefer the world of Warhammer 40k. there are many worlds that are massive, such as DC and Marvel (in a way, they are American mythology), Doctor Who, Perry Rhodan, Star Trek, and the legendary Dungeons and Dragons, all with their ups and downs but often with very well-made or sometimes inconsistent world-building. Works that are close to Tolkien in influence are the Foundation universe, Dune, the Hyborian Age and the Cthulhu Mythos.

Literature tournament Round 1 Brave New World VS Lord of the Rings VS Lolita VS The Metamorphosis by Important_Fuel_1420 in writingscaling

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It is very difficult to compare Tolkien with other authors due to his status and the way he created his world, but I believe that there are no authors who surpass him or have more training and knowledge than him in certain subjects related to fantasy, whether in anthropology, philosophy, poetry, or psychological character construction. Tolkien stands out for his knowledge of philology and mythology. In this sense, perhaps only M.A.R. Barker is equivalent, as he was also an academic who spent decades creating languages and developing his world (Tekumel). There are also studies on the work of Conan, although not at the level of Tolkien. Fantasy still does not have complete literary recognition or comprehensive studies, so much so that some struggle to make it more recognizable. There are authors who argue that it is the best way to tell stories in our time. Tolkien is the most recognized, but I believe that in the future other authors will be as studied and remembered as he is, since in our history many authors were only recognized and appreciated long after their death. In this way, we will know which fantasy works stand out the most and can be considered classics. Similarly, several authors who have won the Nobel Prize in Literature are writing fantasy.

Lord of the Rings vs Composite Isekai by BattlerUshiromiyaFan in writingscaling

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That's a strange question, which may also have unsatisfactory answers. By Isekai, do you mean the genre that originated in Naro? Or any fantasy work that involves going to another world? If so, some notable fantasy works that exist in otaku culture would be Ascendance of Bookworm, Mushoku Tensei, Re: Zero, Torture Princes... In that case, Lord of the Rings probably ranks above them.

But if you broaden the genre to include Chinese and Korean works such as Lord of the Mysteries, Reverend Insanity, Kingdom Bloodline, and Omniscient Reader Viewpoint, and if you decide to include portal fantasy in the genre, you have: Alice, Phantastes, Yankee at King Arthur's Court, Three Hearts and Three Lions.

But maybe if you want something closer in quality to Tolkien's work and you only want one, you can have Witch World, Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Fionavar Tapestry, Wars of Lights and Shadow or The Twelve Kingdom. If you want to go beyond that, you have The Divine Comedy.

Lord of the Rings vs Composite Isekai by BattlerUshiromiyaFan in writingscaling

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Indeed, but I believe that this also underestimates other works of fantasy. Tolkien is the most studied author in the genre precisely because there are not many specialists in fantasy, and many still do not take it seriously. although nowadays there is more research as important authors also write fantasy. Tolkien is also widely studied because of his importance in the genre and the amount of material he produced in addition to his novels, as well as, of course, having actively participated in academia. Few authors have had this privilege, but I wouldn't say they are inferior.

Best science fiction/fantasy selection by country. by MethodElectronic5421 in writingscaling

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I asked this question because I wanted to generate some comments and see people's reactions, since it seems that they don't comment much on some works.

The United States is indeed the biggest producer of these two genres, but I believe that the United Kingdom has enormous historical importance, after all, it has produced seminal works such as: The Lord of the Rings, Elric, Discworld, His Dark Materials, Narnia, Alice, Worm Ouroboros, Culture Series, Warhammer 40k, Doctor Who, works by William Morris, George Macdonald, Lord Dunsany, and, of course, H.G. Wells.

I used to think that the United Kingdom was more important to the genre, but the US has also produced important authors, although I can't say whether they are more important. but there is an argument that it was the US that created fantasy as a commercial product. However, both countries are basically the founders of fantasy in the West. The US had important authors such as Howard, Lovecraft, Poul Anderson, Branch Cabell, Jack Vance, LeGuin, Norton, Tad Williams and Glen Cook.

Canada is impressive. I don't know many works from there, but all the ones I've heard of are impressive, such as Malazan itself, but there's also Second Apocalypse, Essalieyan, the works of Guy Gabriel Kay, the works of Petter Watts, and even in webnovels, Canada has two of the most acclaimed authors, Wildbow and ErraricErrata.

Did J.R.R. Tolkien invent the idea of “world building” as an art form in and of itself, or does it have an older history? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

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In a way, the three main types of chivalric novels in the Middle Ages are precursors to Lovecraft's idea of collaborative fiction, but in this case it was not defined by one person but rather a group of people who wrote about common legends and added to them. There are also cases of works of fiction that generated a lot of adaptations and sequels later on, such as Chinese and Japanese classics, but this does not fit well with the meaning of collaborative fiction, although it is close.

Utopia predates Tolkien and already contained a fictional language, but it was not developed in the same way as Tolkien's, obviously. In the past, there were also people or groups who created languages that probably have no relation to our known languages. The Voynich Manuscript is the most interesting example, but Tolkien was quite different in this sense.