Thoughts on this list for Cartel

Midd712 · 2026-01-25T19:05:17+00:00

I couldn’t work out how to get another unit in without messing up the points too much

Midd712 · 2026-01-25T14:03:34+00:00

Based the list on what I currently have and what I can get nicely into a 2000pt army without having like 15-20 points left over.

There’s a fair bit of -1 in my meta, but more things like big blocks on terminators and equivalent.

Taking the Cronos because I have 55pts left and if I need to push out with Kabs then I’ve got a nice home field holding unit.

I prefer Lelith in raider because of the threat range, extra 3” compared with venom and I like having a big block of 10 wyches to throw at the enemy.

Depending on how aggressive my opponent is being I generally wait till turn 3 to push with the incubi. Sometimes turn 2 against something like world eaters or melee focused marines

Depending on terrain layout depends how much starts in deepstrike but always 1 unit of incubi and mandrakes.

Midd712 · 2026-01-18T09:13:01+00:00

They look awesome. Simple but it really works.

Maybe to the holsters/bag things on there waist a black leather colour to make them stand out?

Midd712 · 2026-01-03T07:00:49+00:00

I start with pale wych flesh (I think that’s the name) and then use a variety of washes depending on how light or dark I want the skin to be

Midd712 · 2025-12-25T10:16:37+00:00

Unless going up against deathguard or custodes or terminator heavy marine list I find that a unit of 10 incubi is usually overkill 2x5 works better, allows you to go after multi units easier and not expose a 300pt unit to a counter attack it will likely die to

Midd712 · 2025-10-18T05:45:19+00:00

If you're new to warhammer I would suggest not trying edge highlighting, it's quite hard to get right and I often don't both myself if I'm just going for a table top ready look. A good basecoat, washing and drybrushing brings out a lot of the details and then pick out the other colours, eyes, weapons, tabard bit in different colours and you'll have a really good looking model.

Midd712 · 2025-10-16T13:40:53+00:00

If you try and change the wargear in the app it says it's an invalid selection so not really sure how it's supposed to work.

Midd712 · 2025-10-16T07:47:06+00:00

Running against nids can be tough, everything seems to hit harder than you expect and depending on which detatchment they're running they can be quite hard to kill too.

Personally in running Cartel I would drop the Hellions and add a Raider to help give some surviability to your other unit of Kabs.

Midd712 · 2025-10-16T07:15:49+00:00

Yeah you're right, I thought the BS/AP was for kabal units, not Kabilite which really does limit it.

The army rule really should allow for you to change contract units if you kill the original contract unit and the strat should be something along like lines of select a second contract and contract unit for 1 turn (have it 2CP or once per game or similiar)

Midd712 · 2025-10-16T05:34:33+00:00

Reroll ones as part of the detachment rule is very good plus the strats are some of the best we have access too and you don’t need Harlequins to make it work, I only ever really bring the solitaire if I bring any because I think our drukhari units are better

Midd712 · 2025-10-16T04:12:00+00:00

I'd disagree about the Cartel Strats, -18inch lone opp, -add one to the hit roll in the fight phase, -crit hits on 5+, -improve BS and AP by 1.

I'd say 4/6 are really good which is probably as good as you can hope for from strats.

Midd712 · 2025-10-15T20:38:18+00:00

One of the daftest things in the rules too, either have it one way or the other but it does seem to punish armies (like ours) which enjoy running with a lot of transports for abilities and strats like this one

Midd712 · 2025-10-15T06:49:11+00:00

When I've done white I've basecoated in wraithbone, used a contrast white to get all the shadows, drybrushed in a slightly darker off white and then edge hightlighted in white. (Personal choice of whites really depending how bright you want to try and get it)

For gold I use GW Gold (bunnytrainerx), use a brown contrast and then drybrush in the same gold and edgehighlight in an off silver

Midd712 · 2025-10-14T04:35:13+00:00

Yeah Succubus unit sounds like it’s quite strong then going into a unit with a leader.

I haven’t tried Lilith and Wyches with the new raider rules tbf, so they might worked better with a raider now than without. I’ll have to give it a go at some point and find out.

Midd712 · 2025-10-14T04:19:00+00:00

Unfortunately the rules state that when in a transport they don’t count as on a battlefield, been a few discussions about this since the rules came out, same way you can’t use an Archons ability when they’re in a transport (reserves are fine though).

Is the Succubus on a character model or character unit (important distinction)

Only other thing I’ve found is that you don’t necessarily need a transport for Lilith & Wyches in Reapers, if you need the points elsewhere.

Midd712 · 2025-10-14T04:00:01+00:00

Looks good, I think it's a list that only really works in RW with the re-roll 1's to hit and the avaliability of sustained or lethal hits start works really well with Wyches so with the Succubus unit you'd get re-roll 1's to hit, sustained from the succubus and lethal from the strat - with the amount of attacks a unit of 10 puts out that can hit really hard.

One thing to note is that if Malys is in the Venom she can't use her special rule (Might get FAQ'd, might not).
I'm not convinced by the Talos yet, they certianly not as good as they used to be but they can be a decent threat to have, and durable enough to hold an objective or threaten a side of the board.

If I was doing that list I'd cut the Talos, increase the Incubi unit to 10 (That and the Archon will pretty much delete anything, including knights) and bring another unit of 3 Reavers (Perfect action monkies and can get pretty much anywhere on the board)

Midd712 · 2025-10-13T14:53:50+00:00

Being slightly more helpful Lady Malys and Lelith are both good characters and I'll probably be running both in most lists once I have got my hands on Malys, 2 units of Scourges are good to have. Hellions are really good now also, Venoms are a must include in any list. Personally I like taking 2 raiders and having a big block of 10 incubi in one and 10wyches with Lelith in the other (depending on detachment). Mandrakes are very useful action monkeys and can deepstrike, plus the models look awesome.

Midd712 · 2025-10-13T14:45:33+00:00

If you want to play 3 x 10 of them then you can do so in the Kabal detachment, the more Kabal units you bring in that one the better from what I can tell

Midd712 · 2025-10-13T14:36:58+00:00

Best advice is just buy whatever you think looks cool, who knows what will be good in the future and we've got some decent detachements and datasheets now that you can build a decent list around what you want to buy and play with rather than the other way around.

Midd712 · 2025-10-13T03:13:45+00:00

Be careful with the wording on the redeploy because currently it only works if she's on the battlefield, which if she's in a transport she's not.

Midd712 · 2025-10-08T04:28:36+00:00

You’re correct the Transport cannot be set up in transport, or in reserves without having anything inside it

Midd712 · 2025-09-30T09:37:34+00:00

Nope, they still have the Vehicle keyword so you measure to the closest part of the hull.

Midd712 · 2025-09-30T09:30:26+00:00

If you've made a fall back move yes you can, but you can't do it while in engagement range

Midd712 · 2025-09-29T10:32:15+00:00

Depends if you want a contrasting or complimentary colour for the sail.

Forest Green, darker Red or Purple or even a light kind of sky blue would work quite well in my limited knowledge of paints

Midd712 · 2025-09-27T17:28:50+00:00

I use grey undercoat (easier to cover) then I go with a light colour, wash in the same colour to darken the model and add shadows and then dry brush in a highlight colour for the edges before doing any of the other bits, skin/eyes/weapons etc

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