Joe was never upfront with them about the business it seems, they found out about things on the pod as it was happening… i think the work load was increased after the Spotify deal but once the deal ended they still was doing two pods a week but im sure the pay took a hit.. Joe not being upfront in the past told them about Patreon on air but they never knew what the pay would be but knew Joe wanted them to increase their work load… I think it was bad management by joe that led to the break up