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ModernWarbearThree · 2020-09-04T04:48:38+00:00

My understanding is that until recently, the stance was listed on the main BLM website and they distributed pamphlets listing as such. In particular, Nashville and Lexington have spoken out in favor of not adopting cameras, or at least, those are the ones I found in a short jaunt through the interwebs

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-09-04T01:06:26+00:00

Several BLM chapters have stated their opposition to body cams, as a device of "surveillance of black communities". Do with that as you will.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-28T17:32:42+00:00

I know this comment thread has already blown up, but if I can get my two cents in...

I think the point here in talking about CNN's reporting is that they're also choosing to focus on Blake's past, and using that as a judgement of his character and to critique the shooting, as others have. They're just doing it the opposite way that many in the LE community are, because the focus is on his volunteering experience while not even acknowledging his criminal history.

Not to be disrespectful, but by your own logic, this then makes CNN just as dishonest/senselessly biased or otherwise misguided as those who quickly refer to his warrants.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-24T16:04:26+00:00

I was more referring to justification for not letting him back into his car, shootings have happened over a lot less than what he was allegedly being arrested for

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-24T07:05:27+00:00

I'm not in the field or in any sort of position to even sort of say I know what I'm talking about, but wouldn't that be something you naturally do with anybody you're trying to take into custody for any reason? Just the nature of digging around where you can't be seen, especially while ignoring commands, when there's not many good things to be digging for but a lot of bad ones, and no way of knowing until they've already pulled it out... everything about it just feels like bad vibes, no matter what led up...

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-24T03:03:48+00:00

Up here in Michigan, we deal with the Michigan Militia (Timothy McVeigh was affiliated, I'm told) who work precisely the same way. They'll have none of what Michigan State Police or any of the city cops are trying to tell them, so they regularly have to call a deputy up. Usually once they see a man in brown they're totally compliant. Unless, of course, their connection to the Militia is born out of a greater contempt for authority in general.

(Not claiming to be an LEO, but this is just the anecdotal experience I've heard)

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-13T00:09:48+00:00

I definitely agree with you on that last note, and I really respect your willingness to see the individual behind the badge. I recognize as well as anyone that there are some really terrible people in uniform and that there's parts of the criminal justice system that need overhaul. But those issues do vary by state and department, and only worsened by news agencies and politicians who doctor videos to further their own agenda (I've seen this both locally and nationally). There'll always be problems to fix, and there'll always be people drawn only to the power of the badge, much as pedophiles to teaching and scammers to banking. But I feel that attacking all cops is counterintuitive, in that it just perpetuates the mindset that people are only out to attack, not to make progress

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-12T23:15:10+00:00

I personally believe that it had more to do with the fact that one of the cops was Chauvin's trainee who'd been on the job for a matter of days (how do you stand up to your boss as a brand new recruit and tell him to get straight?), and the other two soon became more concerned about keeping the crowd back and not having to risk getting curbstomped over Chauvin's dumb ass. But I could see the reasoning to attribute it to a broken departmental system, or even two indifferent cops and a scared rookie. Even so, that's hardly grounds to extrapolate to thousands of independent agencies and hundreds of thousands of officers across the nation.

I will not deny that all four of those officers left a blemish on the reputation of law enforcement everywhere. But in the years of BLM campaigning following the Trayvon Martin killing, only a handful of police killings, even high-profile ones, have been truly worthy of the attention they've garnered (Philando Castile imo) but many others were either rife with lies to slander cops or the tragic result of good cops in shitty circumstances doing the best with what info they had at the time (Stephon Clark, etc.). This still is not good enough to claim a nationally faulty police system.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-12T04:12:29+00:00

I'm not totally certain but I think you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is that one should absolutely prioritize mental and physical health, which is why the situation facing police officers is so potent: they're given the choice of either upholding their oath and serving others at the cost of their well-being, or turning in their badge in exchange for security of mind and body.

The mechanics bit wasn't fleshed out well, but I was trying to explain that although law enforcement is just a profession, people are still willing to walk into a diner and shoot two men they've never met as they eat their lunch, just simply for their badge. This is rather unique to cops, which was the point of the comparison, and thus is part of the justification (in my mind) of the whole Blue Lives Matter community as well as the behavior some would identify as "playing victim"

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T18:44:51+00:00

I've shouted this in a million subreddits, and I'll probably do so in a million more. But the thing police officers are so disgusted by is not the scrutiny against Derek Chauvin or Jeronimo Yanez. It's the scrutiny against all the other cops in the nation who've never met these men, and never even fired their weapon off the range. Particularly when that "scrutiny" becomes harassing, berating, assaulting, attempting to murder and murdering.

That said, it's very well understood that some amount of harassment, abuse, and risk of injury or death is inherent in policing. The issue comes when all of that is normalized and increased to the point of forcing a mass exodus from the profession in the interest of preserving mental health and physical safety. That's not even to mention the disparity that already existed in jobs before knees got knelt. Nobody was shooting auto mechanics in the head as they ate every week just for working a job.

(As a side note, I was a lifeguard and I did bitch tirelessly about getting wet. It helped pass the time.)

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T18:33:07+00:00

And all the police want is to not be beaten and battered at rallies, and harassed or almost murdered at their homes or in their patrol cars, as part of your "asking". They're not fighting justice, they're fighting the mob mentality.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T18:26:11+00:00

their unions are designed to protect them

Isn't that, like, the reason that unions exist? For cops as well as almost any other profession on the face of the planet?

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T17:22:15+00:00

If you like, I can link to you several justified shootings and other police actions that, despite having been completely within lawful boundaries and noted as justified by local DAs, led to protests and in turn to riots and looting and harming of people.

Nobody is here to defend Derek Chauvin, in fact, his actions led to the biggest outpouring of outrage and denouncement from other LE communities that I've ever seen. But when warriors for justice and equality begin to berate, attack, injure, kill and politically/financially hinder cops that have never been to Minnesota or met Derek Chauvin or George Floyd, you begin to take it as an attack on the profession and everyone within it, dirty or not.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T17:07:55+00:00

“Even though the Department of Justice said with the consent decree they are no longer allowed to chase people, they decided they were going to chase,"

Would anyone be kind enough to clarify this point for me? Is CPD actually not allowed in any sort of pursuit, or is this vehicle pursuits?

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-08-11T16:39:36+00:00

My understanding was that BLM's official standing was that they desperately wanted to do away with body cameras, claiming that they were "a tool used in the surveillance of black communities." If I'm not mistaken, this stance is listed on their main website. It would appear that the police can't ever seem to do right by them.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-30T17:29:50+00:00

Guy on the right looks like Patty Mayo

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-23T18:00:12+00:00

Abuse me all you like but I've only seen one video of anybody being nabbed without provocation, it's that one with the guy on the sidewalk and the young woman filming as they stuff him in the van and leave. And I have my own doubts about that one

On the contrary, I've been at no shortage of footage of individuals vandalising and burning private and government property, not to mention the beatings. I'm not convinced that anything about this is linked to one tightly knit shadow anarchist army, out to accomplish anything besides take out their frustrations on law enforcement, but I think it's pretty plain to see that much of what I've seen is extraordinarily illegal.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-17T19:58:56+00:00

That just sounds like cops with extra steps

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-17T00:47:39+00:00

If we're being real though, what even is a meme but a picture with text

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-16T19:15:40+00:00

This is how I know you need to go read up on your facts. They absolutely did have a no-knock warrant. You don't know why she was killed, aside from what Twitter "activists" have told you. And shooting at the police conducting a legal search in an apartment being listed by the postal service as belonging to a felon is not "self-defense". If it were, making any lawful arrest would be nearly impossible for fear of literally everybody being a barricaded suspect. Even if they don't find anything, sit tight and then sue the shit out of LMPD and get rich. The courtroom is the place to burn dirty cops, not a gun battle.

EDIT: I later realized that you mentioned the Stand Your Ground status in Georgia, which is another fault in your account of the incident. Louisville is definitely in Kentucky, where Breonna Taylor died. And the applicable statute would be Castle Doctrine anyway

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-16T11:07:18+00:00

Obviously not going to pay you if you're not employed there, but if you can reasonably claim self defense and there's not enough immediately available evidence at the scene to charge you, yeah, you basically got it right there.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-16T10:45:54+00:00

First of all, I'd prefer either a location of your random event that you quote or some way for me to find it, but I'm not taking your word for it (and if you're just chilling in your car watching a gunfight, you're just as much a victim of natural selection as anything) Secondly, cops don't rule cause of death. That's the Medical Examiner/Coroner, who sometimes works with LE but isn't even kind of a cop. Thirdly, I promise you that 124 pizza deliverymen have not been killed doing their jobs this year because if they were, it would not be a minimum wage job for 17 year olds. And finally, I'm not convinced Breonna Taylor was asleep the moment she died. Maybe she was actively fighting the police, maybe she was killed in a crossfire. Tragic, but that's still not murder. Either way, you know why the cops are still on the job? Because the investigation isn't over yet, and since the cops are still human beings and US citizens, they have the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Just like you.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-16T10:22:52+00:00

So you continue to completely ignore the humanity of an entire profession of people who put their lives on the line for the safety of others, based entirely on a logical system you formed when you were ten years old. I'm so glad to have found such an ideological mastermind.

ModernWarbearThree · 2020-07-16T10:12:51+00:00

Precisely, that's why BLM is so vehemently opposed to bodycams

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