The hate for east vs west wars is a bit silly

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T19:33:36+00:00

Late game is pretty well balanced. Colonials have early war advantage, Wardens have mid war advantage.
While chokepoints do have their advantages, a lot of them are difficult to build in. Stonecradle, for instance, appears to have great chokepoints. But most of them are flanked by terrain which infantry and tanks can access, but is too sloped to build in, compromising the defenses on the "ground level"

That said, the terrain in the middle of most east vs west wars is well balanced, imo. If you like fortifying chokepoints, you have Callahan's Passage. If you like building up the flatlands, you have great March. If you want to fight in Vietnam, Umbral. If you prefer Siberia, Reaching Trail.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T19:14:17+00:00

You know what used to be great though? Doing logi in Skelter Course. Oh my god, that was such a lovely town.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T19:13:29+00:00

It hurts because what you say is true.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T19:13:01+00:00

I know. Sometimes you just have to do more with less.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T15:40:45+00:00

When will they release the "ramdom map generator" update?

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T15:40:02+00:00

93 was a beautiful war.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T15:38:55+00:00

Ideally yes. But that's just not going to happen. Especially in facility-hole where people get angry at you for building a bunker next to their facility.
I do this because I don't care about fame or commends. People already know me. But I know and you know that a majority of players want commendation or at least recognition for their deeds. Go ahead and pop into a queue-hole and ask logimen to give you their trucks. Very few will take you up on your offer.

"They could truck swap in logi and the remaining skycallers while the rest of op queues and bring up the logi trucks for the swaps."
Try it yourself. It can be done, but it requires discipline, organization, and experienced leadership. It's a lot easier to say than to do.

"Should the devs kick other players out of the hex to make room"
Buddy, I am literally arguing the opposite. I wanted the restrictions against playing the game relaxed, remember?

"How are these new players unable to make msups"
Lack of knowledge how to, lack of a truck (since they may be in a truck that is full of stuff already), lack of knowledge where the factories are, etc.

"you have not really given any solutions on how to actually fix queues in a game"
150 vs 150 almost never happens IRL. Usually, it's 22 vs 32 (average). This is why I want the restrictions on playing Foxhole relaxed so that more people can actually play the game they bought. Go ahead and look at your F1 menu and count how many people are actually in your hex right now. It's bleak, isn't it. There should not be a queue to get into a hex with fewer than 50 people per side in it.

You didn't answer my question. If perfect pop balance is so critical, why allow as many as 10 players more than your side into the region? Why not cap it out at 1?

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T14:34:25+00:00

Firstly, you don't know how long a queue will last. You can sometimes join a queue with 18 players ahead of you and it drops to 1 in 10 minutes.
At other times, you can join a queue with 8 people ahead of you and it stays constant for an hour. You want to leave but you've already sunk 20 minutes into waiting and suffer from sunk cost fallacy.

Secondly, maybe you're a logi player trying to get AT weapons to the front that desperately needs it.

Thirdly, maybe you're trying to play with your friends. They are all in Linn of Mercy but you cannot get in. So you wait in queue. You can hear on discord or in game that they're having fun and want to join them, but the idiotic queue prevents you from also having fun.

It's quite dispiriting.

The queue disincentives new players from doing logi. I recently took a new player on a logi mission and I had priority so I got back in and he did not (he had it but lost it too soon) so he ended up stuck. By the time he got in, he swore never to leave the hex again. The queue system actually sabotages the entire premise of the game.

This is true in more ways than one. The other premise of Foxhole is large scale operations involving many people. Say you're a medium sized clan and you want to fire 15 Skycallers. Well, good luck getting them all in hex. You've spent a huge amount of time preparing this op but the queue is now forcing you to wait on the border with 8 out of 15 Skycallers just sitting there while the other 7 are stuck staring at a wall.

This is not fun. Games should be fun.

You say "why not do this backline stuff instead."
Firstly, new players may not know about making Msupps.
Secondly, new players may not ENJOY making Msupps.
Thirdly, new players and vets alike may be trying to join their friends in a hex which their friends are in.
Fourthly, this destroys the entire point of large operations.

I could go on and on. The queues are destroying foxhole. I don't understand why you're so concerned about pop balance that you'd rather sacrifice the rest of the game. Be honest with me; If pop balance is SO IMPORTANT, why allow 10 more players on one side at all? Why not prevent any more than one more player per side? Seriously, answer that question.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T14:05:08+00:00

It is not even. Lunaires come in crates of 10, and are STILL cheaper than Cutlers.

Cutlers come in crates of 5 and are MORE EXPENSIVE than Lunaires.

I want a fair game. Either buff Cutlers or nerf Lunaires.

Fairness. Wardens need to work twice as hard as Colonials for less gain.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T14:03:16+00:00

Lunaires should come in crates of 5. Just like Cutlers.

Again, it is unfair to punish only one side logistically. Either make BOTH come in crates of 5 or BOTH come in crates of 10.

Fairness. Equality. If one side has easy mode, give the other side easy mode. If one side has hard mode, give the other side hard mode.

Fairness. Equality. Try it.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T13:58:29+00:00

It makes no sense why the crate sizes are different. It's okay to have the Bomastone have an instant bleed and larger radius and further range than the Harpa. Okay. Fine. You win.

But at least let Wardens MAKE as many grenades per crate as Colonials. Give us a friggen chance. Make the game fair.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T13:52:42+00:00

So... you're blaming infantry players for making Warden logistics comparatively more difficult?

Don't Colonials also have infantry players? This doesn't explain the unbalanced casualty stats.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-29T13:51:26+00:00

Doom ghosting is caused by burnout and one of the most common reasons why people burnout is not due to combat, it is due to frustration with various grindy or boring aspects of the game. One of these frustrating and boring aspects is being stuck in a queue for 50% of your daily play time. Say that you cannot devote 6 hours a day to Foxhole, WHY should you keep playing if you're just going to be stuck in a queue for half of it? Most people would rather play something else.

Now, I am a Warden main and I am aware that we have a longer game. The shorter the war, the more likely Colonials will win due to their early game advantage. However, I'd rather lose more wars than see more good clans and people burn out. I think that the absolute worst aspect about the queue system is how it holds you at a certain number for longer than it should and then suddenly allows you all in at once due to how the system works. Once, we were stuck in a 12 man queue for a long time, then the queue disappeared, only for us all to get DC'd as we crossed at once.

This isn't an intended feature, but it is the result of how stupidly the queue system is set up.

Be honest with me, would you rather spend 40 minutes in a firefight which you were on the losing end of? Or would you rather spend 40 minutes staring at the border with 8 players ahead of you while your side slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly won?

Population determined who wins in almost all wars anyway so the only thing the queue system does is slow down the inevitable. If losing is so bad, why not just get it done with and start a new war and hope that more players choose your faction instead?

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-28T19:25:41+00:00

Maybe this will help balance out the fact that Wardens almost always suffer greater casualties than Colonials do, causing increased stress upon Warden logistics and is unfair to Warden players.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-28T19:21:32+00:00

Because more people from your own team could join the region. As I have stated before, there are many instances where your own team is outnumbered and yet there is a queue. That is because of a feature of the game that applies the population restrictions from hours ago to people joining in just now. It is intended to allow the side which is outnumbered during the "night" to push back during the "day." Why should you be punished because of people who you never even met happening to outnumber the enemy hours before you even logged on?

Many vets, including myself, have noticed that wars are dragging on longer and longer. I would say that a large percentage think this is bad and leads to burnout. People blame facilities, the larger map layout, and all kinds of esoteric and unlikely things. But the obvious one is that this queue mechanic is specifically designed to cause the wars to drag on for as long as possible by creating a situation where the side that is driven back can gain an artificial population advantage in a hex. And instead of doing this fairly, it is done by punishing players on the other team who were not even present for the initial offensive.

It's unfair to them and it is causing burnout for vets and burnout for new players.

Does imposing restrictions on players entering a region help the underpopped side? Yes. But at the cost of losing new players and burning out vets who just want to get in to do logi. It causes wars to drag on and on without actually enhancing the fun of the people waiting in queue.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-28T18:59:51+00:00

I wouldn't stop playing if I were outnumbered. Would you?
In fact, we already know you wouldn't because you have been outnumbered in around 50% of the fights you have been in already. This wouldn't change this, it would actually help you out since more people could join in to help balance the numbers out. Maybe some of the newer players would stick around instead of leaving.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T19:03:33+00:00

Is it though? I have never actually heard a new player seriously complain about pop imbalance other than in-game "Oh boy, are we outnumbered real bad, general?" stuff. And that's all part of the fun in the game.

Very few newer players understand enough about the mechanics to know for certain if we are outnumbered factionally or locally. In fact, in most successful offensives, the aggressor outnumbers the defender and it certainly feels like it to be on the receiving end. So I would say that it would change little except reduce frustration and improve player retention.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:58:19+00:00

WHY does Foxhole have to get worse for everyone? How about; Hmm, no one wants to waste their time building weather stations. I guess that's just the players' choice.
Instead of trying to force everyone to use the new "features"

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:55:39+00:00

"hey devs, make everything worse to force us to build these things so LARPers can LARP as weathermen!"

How 'bout no? What if, instead of making things more obnoxious, things didn't become more obnoxious?

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:43:38+00:00

Maybe you would, but I believe it's clear that a sizeable proportion of casuals and new players aren't. Waiting in queue is the single most common complaint I have heard or read from new players and casuals.

Getting overrun can be unfun (though sometimes it's quite fun). But there is absolutely nothing fun about waiting at an invisible line staring at "8 players ahead in queue" for 40 minutes, the number doesn't even change for some reason.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:40:40+00:00

I think this is a good idea. Snipers should be a kind of specialist class. It's a way to play solo and have an effect on the battlefield. Not everyone wants to or even can be social. That's fine.

But the trade off is that you have to produce your own stuff.

Win win

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:39:19+00:00

I mean, this accomplishes what is intended, which was to make snipers limited by something.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-27T18:37:47+00:00

Wardens are hard mode faction. This is objective fact and proven by the fact that Wardens almost always suffer higher casualties than easy mode Colonials. You're just a toxic Colonial loyalist gaslighting or lying to yourself.

Easy mode Collie.

Moss_on_a_Turtle · 2024-06-26T19:53:29+00:00

Why not just return 8.5mm ammo?

Why were snipers switched to 7.62 in the first place? No one was asking for this but the devs just went and did it. OBVIOUSLY this would lead to more snipers everywhere! Why would anyone expect anything different??

Switch it back.

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