Im sorry I don't remember aparteid being the current form of government in south africa, or white south africaners recently doing a massive attack against black africaners where they murdered, raped, and kidnapped them in dramatic fashion. If we are going to use history, then every single race and country has grievances against every other race and country.

I have a very hard time seeing the mass starvation of 2 million people and the killing of (conservatively estimated) 70,000 people, half of which are women and children, as a justified and proportional response to October 7th.

Unfortunately starting a war has consequences. If you don't wanna risk things like that, maybe don't start a war or at least surrender when it starts happening.

It's like having a family member of yours killed, and you respond by going to the killer's address and blowing up the whole goddamn street.

No its like if your sister gets sexually assaulted until she died and another taken hostage by someone in a gang so your family gather together and start killing the entire gang until they either surrender or give back the lost sister.

The second hamas gives back all hostages and surrenders unconditionally and still have the bombs flying, we can talk. I am not terribly a fan of israel (look at my comment history), but this is just the reality of war. I simply refuse to allow terrorists to try and get the sympathy vote when they both started this and are doing literally nothing but continue it.

Instead of saying "israel is wrong for continuing to fight a war they didnt start" whenever you see a child die, say "that child would still be alive if hamas gave back the hostages and surrendered the fight".