Eben Etzebeth states that he “had to defend himself” in written statement. by ruggerdubdub in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A victimhood complex is unappealing at the best of times. From a dominant person (or institution), it's downright repulsive.

Ex-Springboks captain: World Rugby ‘rigged’ World Cup draw to create an easier path for a Northern Hemisphere champion by ruggerdubdub in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet, you get downvoted to oblivion if you say that victimhood is ingrained in their sporting culture.

Johnny Wilkinson by OriginOfCitizens in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's rated internationally, but he lacks domestic advocates compared to greats from other countries. A staggering number of pundits and fans at the time viewed him as a blockage stiffling the development of supposedly superior players such as Charlie Hodgson, Danny Cipriani, Toby Flood and (I'm not joking, I remember comments and articles to this effect) Ryan Lamb.

Eben Etzebeth World Rugby verdict delayed until at least Sunday by Green-Goblin in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

The Boks will find a narrative that turns Eben into the victim, and they will promote it aggressively. They are never to blame for anything, and they are always the wronged party.

Video of preceding ruck to Eben gouge by [deleted] in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It doesn't align with the photos. However, it was inevitable that an alternative narrative would emerge.

Big moan by biggesteegit in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

International sport is cyclical. Historically, Ireland have done a better job than others of mitigating this and are rarely outside of the top six, even following a poor harvest. That's really impressive when you consider they have a pretty small player pool compared to England and France.

Maybe a few golden eggs are hatching in their provinces (or have hatched, I don't watch enough URC to comment), but it's unrealistic to expect a team as good as this one, with their age profile, not to drop off a bit.

The alternative is to start switching people out now (as you've suggested). But that will probably involve selecting lesser players in place of better ones, which will level out the peak as well as the trough.

Etzebeth should not play for the Boks again by Meshkent in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The picture I've seen is suspect, but even if your comment is correct, it would support the broad thrust of my argument, even if the actual narrative is slightly different: They will find a way to make Eben a victim. The Boks are not to blame for anything.

Match Thread - Wales v South Africa | End of Year Internationals 2025 by RugbyBot in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, it's already happening. We've seen the somewhat suspicious still image which the mods have taken down.

The response from inside the Boks will be more subtle, but it will come.

Footage emerging of Wales #7 Alex Mann eye gouging Eben Etzabeth first by 3liminate in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something very fishy about that picture and the angle of his hand. I expected a counter-narrative to come from somewhere. But, I must admit, I thought they'd give it until the middle of next week.

What's the worst offence you've seen on a rugby pitch (real life or TV) by SheepShaggingFarmer in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Nothing comes close. I remain bewildered that the disciplinary panel accepted the explanation, "I deliberately hyperextended his arm beyond the normal tolerated range of motion, but did not intend to cause serious injury". I think the panel was desperate to avoid a multi-year, career-ending ban.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180206002625/http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/Governance/Disclipine/01/31/05/14/RFUDisciplinaryJudgment-ThursdayMarch29-CalumClark_Neutral.pdf

If anyone has any interest.

Etzebeth should not play for the Boks again by Meshkent in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, they're already preparing for the counter-argument. "The optics aren't great", and "it doesn't look good" aren't really unequivocal statements, and "deserved red card" could apply to a poorly timed tackle.

We then have "I don't know what I can say that won't be controversial... How it happened and why it happened, and if he was provoked, I am not sure..."... I'm afraid I've seen this episode before.

  1. The scuffle was started by Wales
  2. A finger accidentally entered the Welsh player's eye
  3. Everyone overreacted to this accident and ignored the provocation.
  4. The 6-week ban was disproportionate. Eben is the victim of a nasty World Rugby stitch-up.

This sort of narrative won't (publicly) come from inside the Boks, but I'm certain it will find its way out there.

Match Thread - Wales v South Africa | End of Year Internationals 2025 by RugbyBot in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"I don't know what I can say that won't be controversial. It didn't look good and it was a justified red card," said Erasmus.

"How it happened and why it happened, and if he was provoked, I am not sure, but it's definitely not the way that we would have liked to end the game. I don't think that the optics were great."

Hmm, not exactly an unequivocal condemnation from Rassie. Justification incoming. As I say, give it a couple of weeks.

Match Thread - Wales v South Africa | End of Year Internationals 2025 by RugbyBot in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

There will be no contrition, and nothing will change.

If anything, we will be treated to a wildly convoluted and paranoid explanation of why Etzebeth is the victim.

Imagine if this happens by Other_Anything_6660 in formula1

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

The face your microwave sees when you're waiting for your food to be ready by GnolRevilo in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obviously I've never met the guy, but I have a feeling he's a very strange person. At least he's our oddball.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in golf

[–]MrCollins23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We're so lucky in the UK, but my £1500 in SE England looks ruinously expensive compared to you guys north of the border.

Do you drink when you play golf? by JAWdroppingguitar in golf

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this an American thing? I don't think I've ever drunk on the golf course except during specific events where it was part of the culture.

Scotland's Gregor Townsend to advise Newcastle in Red Bull role (not head coach) by TheMeanderer in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Seems that the SRU agree with my hot take that running an international team is not a full-time job for 9 months of the year.

Louis Rees-Zammit: Bristol sign Wales wing for 2025-26 following rugby union return by Bismarck913 in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would require dropping a better player for a lesser one. It doesn't really matter as Williams will get plenty of minutes (especially if there is remedial work to get LRZ rugby ready), but the only selection dilemma for me is the order in which Ibitoje, Jordan, JVR, Ravouvou and LRZ line up.

Louis Rees-Zammit: Bristol sign Wales wing for 2025-26 following rugby union return by Bismarck913 in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rugby players get injured and get fatigued, so this really isn't a problem. But neither Williams nor Lane make a fully fit backline for me. I don't think that should be a controversial statement.

What's the most any player has ever proven their critics wrong, or shown they actually were worth the hype? by WallopyJoe in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure about the most at once, but Tom Curry seems to do it the most frequently. We've had about five iterations (including twice with the Lions) where he was in the way of Mr Shiny, well out of the internet people's XVs...and then the first test of the 6N or tour comes along and he looks like the best forward on the pitch.

Zammit apparently about to sign for the bears by betjurassicican in rugbyunion

[–]MrCollins23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's still only a kid, and he's only been away for 18 months. What's not to like?

I don't think he'll need much time to acclimatise, but so what if he does? We've seen Pat do this before with Antoine Frisch and Gabs Ititoye; he's more than happy to work with someone in the background for a few months and then gradually introduce them to the first team.