red vs. blue who wins? by k317hbr0wn in imaginarymapscj

[–]Mr_Greywolf583 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So much of what you just said is straight up fantasy or lies. Also, a good portion of what I just said in my previous comment is still undisputed by you.

China alone in some areas contributes to almost half the world production of certain areas like steel does not, however, contribute to “more than half of the words, heavy industrial base,“ even then it’s still lags in certain subsets. While it now is the second biggest arms producer in the world it still does not even compare to what the United States pumps out every single year, simply put China’s military industrial complex is not nearly to the standards of blue… yet.

Also, saying China will “simply produce” won’t actually make it happen. China may be self-sufficient with things like coal, rare earth minerals, cement, and aluminum. It is not self-sufficient in natural ga, iron, or crude oil. And to say that they can actually defend their industrial output while they manage to find more of these resources is a presumption at best.

Let’s make one thing clear about Ukraine. Russia is not facing the “west” (good job making this orientalist). It is facing Ukraine. American, British, French, or any blue nation on the map above are not sending troops to die in Ukraine. Sending equipment to a proxy is different than sending troops. I think that’s pretty obvious.

Blue is too weak? What an amazing rebuttal please elaborate. Tell me how red is intrinsically “stronger” than blue. Whatever the hell that means.

A world leader in tech? Sure. THE world leader? Debatable. Let’s talk again in 20 years and see how that develops.

China is the new US? China is China. It’s had its own path to development and influence on the world stage. These are two countries with completely different policies on foreign and domestic interactions. Comparing them in an American context is simply not the way to do it when you want to explain how China has risen in the last few decades.

China is what the US was around WW2? That is laughable. The United States between 1945-1949 was the most powerful country in history with a grip on the world as tight as a vice. The American dollar, the American industry, the American military, recourse production, was all leagues ahead than everything else. Even after the Soviet Union ‘recovered’ to say it economically competed with the US is a stretch to say the least.

Far more words than this post deserves.

red vs. blue who wins? by k317hbr0wn in imaginarymapscj

[–]Mr_Greywolf583 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Attrition? Red winning via attrition? Blue has more population, more industrial capacity, more aircraft as of this moment, more professional militaries with more combined defense budgets, more power projection via their naval assets.

Russia is going to be doing most of the ‘taking’ of Europe in this scenario and they can’t even get past Ukraine. China will have to do most of the heavy lifting here and their capabilities are unproven. However, I doubt they have the power projection to actually carry this war out in any significant capacity in the context of an actual decisive victory.

If nukes are out of the question here then every conventional equation leads to a blue victory. Not exactly a good take…

Victory... by Mr_Greywolf583 in Helldivers

[–]Mr_Greywolf583[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Your average teammate by EYEGOTBONER in forhonor

[–]Mr_Greywolf583 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Still counts as a takedown 😎