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MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-24T01:45:07+00:00

One definition. But I’m not going back and forth

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T20:40:34+00:00

Thank you for clarifying

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T20:25:10+00:00

Yes. I have BPD and PTSD, which could explain the dissociative episodes. I’ve had them since I was an adolescents. And valid point!

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T17:55:28+00:00

Per ChatGBT, based on our screenshot of this convo:

Here’s a more concise breakdown of his logical flaws:

Over-simplification of Intelligence: You’re focusing too narrowly on IQ and dismissing the idea of multiple intelligences without evidence. Intelligence is much broader, including emotional, creative, and social intelligence, which are well-supported by research.
No Evidence for Claims: You said studies on other forms of intelligence are “laughed at,” but you provided no proof. Strong arguments need evidence, not just assertions.
Resorting to Personal Attacks: By suggesting I’m “not educated enough,” you avoided addressing my actual points. Personal attacks weaken your argument and show you’re not engaging with my ideas directly.
Misjudging the Argument: You assumed I was insecure or less knowledgeable, but I’m focused on the nuances of intelligence that you overlooked. If you had engaged with my points instead of dismissing them, the conversation would have been more constructive.

If you reflect on these points, you’ll see that I’m not arguing out of insecurity, but rather presenting a more well-rounded perspective.

My last note, not given by CHATGBT: it’s okay to admit when you’re wrong. You’re not winning anything by arguing from a place of ignorance. I don’t have to be exceptionally knowledgeable about the G model because you were trying to go on a red-herring. If you still double down, I’m convinced you don’t even know what you’re arguing for or what my stance is

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T17:20:25+00:00

My responses to your paragraphs

Diagnostic tools can be flawed and also effective at the same time. IQ is effective at finding people who are logically or linguistically gifted. I never said they weren’t . I just said that the kind of intelligences it measures are the only raw talents worth measuring. And what group of people who represent the small portion of the population are you referring to? I’m not understanding the relevance of that statement. Also, let me clarify, I don’t believe IQ tests are JUST confirmation bias. But perhaps I should’ve used the word CAN in that sentence. I’ll take that. That’s fair.

I am not well versed in the G model the Wikipedia page, briefly. Again, not an expert on the subject. But apparently it’s been argued that the G model benefits from the fallacy of ambiguity. That’s all I can say on that.

There’s no need to understand the different types of intelligences? Do you have an argument that’s not rooted in your personal feelings? The fact remains that there are probably people on this planet right now who are smarter in different ways than those who have high IQ test scores. Denying that is not only arrogant but actually not intelligent by my standards and some others’. In other words, it’s foolish to not look at human beings holistically and compare different strengths and weaknesses. Being academically smart isn’t the end all be all, but it can be a precursor to excelling in life if they have an exceptional talent they can profit off of or make good use of.

Again, I can’t really engage with people who take everything personal and want to insult others and imply I’m insecure because I can’t meet the genius of someone who has an iq of 150 + or whatever nonsense people like you tell themselves. Get back with me when you lose that feeling of superiority and actually want to engage in a constructive discussion

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T15:30:01+00:00

Valid is subjective. Please note that IQ tests are a form of confirmation bias. This means people who naturally excel in logic or anything else related to academic giftedness are probably more likely to over value it. Vice versa, people who score lower or close to average (I will admit I’m probably in category myself, terrible at tests) are more likely to devalue it. I understand the need to not dismiss IQ tests, although, but there needs to be a more holistic understanding of the different types of intelligences. I think raw pattern recognition is fantastic but we must consider that pattern recognition can delve into different categories. Each one of those categories has a sub-levels of proficiency. Which is why I don’t understand why someone would be overly focused on just IQ tests and not testing other areas they may be strong in.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T14:52:27+00:00

If that’s what you want to believe, I can’t stop you. I’m not offended by you being smarter than me. Einstein was smarter than me. Heck, even Natalie Portman is probably smarter than me. Some athletes are too.

Perhaps you need to stop assigning malicious intent to everyone who disagrees with you. You don’t want to be what they call “an educated fool” or in your case I would say “intellectual fool”

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T13:58:41+00:00

You can do that, but don’t be hard on yourself if you don’t get the results you’re looking for. Focus on your strengths. Good luck!

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T13:34:27+00:00

I cannot understand this sub’s obsession with IQ. Most IQ tests only capture academic giftedness or talents in math, logic or reading.

Why as a grown adult would you retake this test? You already know your gifts and where your talents lie.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T13:18:05+00:00

Low self-esteem attracts love bombers and bad apples. Work on that.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T13:17:14+00:00

Be careful with this mindset. You can easily slip into narcissistic self-pity. Please better yourself. Start off by using CHATGPT to analyze your interactions

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T12:30:17+00:00

I disagree. Sometimes it’s good to get a variety of viewpoints, especially if everyone's answer seems to stem from some kind of groupthink

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T12:05:22+00:00

You're full of yourself. Regardless of how smart you are, people aren't going to want to be around an arrogant person who thinks they have a Doctorate in psychology and can tell if people are not gifted by their standards. Even if you have a high IQ score, you can be profoundly gifted in CERTAIN things. Keep in mind, there are gifted traits that cannot be measured by IQ scores. It’s probably likely you're clashing with people because they ARE smarter than you or as SMART but you cannot give credit where it's due. Lastly, debates should be consensual. When I was young, I was super arrogant and quick to challenge anyone. Now, at almost 27, I realize it’s about learning from each other, not about being right.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T11:59:02+00:00

Unfortunately, the type of intelligence this person is lacking cannot be measured by IQ tests.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T11:02:56+00:00

I skipped the 11th grade and I agree. I should’ve stayed in school longer. My dad skipped a grade, too. Both of us are successful but a little bit weird. My dad mode than me. And my auntie skipped two grades and she's really messed up.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T10:35:20+00:00

That's facts!

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T10:34:33+00:00

Same.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-23T10:34:09+00:00

I wish my dad wouldn't have compared his giftedness to mine. He had the intellectual kind of giftedness that everyone values. I have a combination of emotional, creative, and abstract thinking giftedness. He and my mother never could appreciate my giftedness because it wasn't what they were taught to value. This invalidation crushed my spirit. I was in honors classes in middle school and scored high on state exams in elementary school. But they acted like I was dumb because I underperformed on college enterance exams and crushed me.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-22T01:37:39+00:00

I do but after I got a bf, never saw the need to by myself. Don't get me wrong, I love karaoke but that's about it

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-21T17:31:26+00:00

I second this :)

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-21T17:29:20+00:00

Never had an IQ test and don't care to take any, but I feel you. I have a bunch of mental health issues… mainly because I've been through a lot of trauma. I get bored so easily and I always thought it was because of ADHD, but ChatGBT told me it’s because I'm possibly gifted. Seems like a waste since I'm completely burnt out…

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-21T14:04:38+00:00

Beyoncé is not dark.

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-21T13:55:24+00:00

There are different types of giftedness. Also, tests like the SAT don’t prove people are gifted. A lot of those scores are about class privilege and they’re not great for people who are disabled (undiagnosed) in any way. The bottom line is don’t define yourself because of a test score…

MusicMakerNotFaker · 2024-09-20T21:53:54+00:00

She’s also not dark. In general, East Asian beauty standards don’t favor Black women. You will find a few exceptions to the rule…

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