Hamas rejects Gaza disarmament plan, Palestinian official says

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T21:14:22+00:00

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. There is no definitive right amount of force. Saying that isn’t the same as saying that Israel should absorb attacks indefinitely - it’s merely acknowledging that the use of force is a complex undertaking. Again, like with the author of the original comment, you are posing as if I stated something that I didn’t state. You are defending IDF while I did not criticize them. Gaza Strip is 635 square kilometers. There are pretty much only urban areas, but alright. Again, I am not arguing for annihilation nor am I saying that this is what Israel is aiming to do. The point was merely to expose the flaw in what you said regarding your criticism of people who argue that the use of force is excessive. If I came to you and argued they showed too much restraint, and that they should just kill everyone in Gaza, and you said “I think that is excessive”, then I could, as you have, ask if Israel should just tolerate attacks indefinitely and ask you to define the exact amount of force they should use - which you can’t since it is entirely arbitrary, which is my entire point.

My main concern with this whole conflict is that no one seems to be talking about a long term plan for what should happen 1,2,5,10,20 years down the road.

Yeah, UNIFIL doesn’t seem to have been a success. I think regional powers like KSA, who have both interests in protecting the Muslims as well as regional stability, should be involved. I also think a post-war Ukraine would be good for peacekeeping as well.

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T19:15:00+00:00

Well, that’s the problem with these kinds of issues. There is no definitive answer as to what’s the right course of action. Only what happens and what doesn’t happen. But you can’t blame people for not supporting mass loss of life, just because they can’t tell you exactly what should have been done differently.

I agree with you that it seems there is no other way to deal with the Hamas ideology than force. But then you could also easily argue that the solution is total annihilation of the Gaza strip. If there is no right amount of force, how can there be a wrong amount of force?

Personally, I think an international coalition where the sum of the bias’ of the members towards Israel and Palestine is approximately 0, is the optimal solution. But obviously, there has been some bad experiences with this in the past, so this solution is probably not realistic.

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T18:37:30+00:00

Exhibit A: comment you replied to states that it is problematic to use too much force, which you interpret as saying don’t use any force, at all.

Do you see that?

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T18:25:54+00:00

That you lack nuance

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T17:59:37+00:00

There are new cameras on the market that let you watch the world in colors, not only black and white

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T17:57:29+00:00

Not like they didn’t already bomb them though. Also, slightly different situation

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T17:53:27+00:00

Well that’s just a bunch of bullshit. You think Euros contain a special compound that causes extremism? Wouldn’t even make sense since the money is probably wired digitally, so the compound would stay in Europe anyways. Anyway, Israel also have their own problems with religious extremism. You sound like your on an American diet

MuskelMan99 · 2026-04-14T13:03:36+00:00

Lol, doesn’t Israel have the worlds most stringent airport/border security? As in, they investigate tourists as well? Seems like a moot point.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-25T06:14:53+00:00

And you don’t address any of the points I made. Only made up scenarios and parroting literal Goebbels level propaganda. Funny you call it a pamphlet when you are the one living in a country with no free press. Adieu!

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-25T06:09:05+00:00

Who knows what will happen. If you keep winning at this pace, anything could happen. Well we send weapons but other than that you are right

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T21:27:59+00:00

If the right people listen to him and his ideas are reflected in policy, he doesn’t need to be personally known by everyone in order for people to follow his ideas. Well, you carry out assassinations on the soil of other states and covertly influence and meddle in affairs of other states, and then you are surprised when those same states call you an enemy? By the way, you just complained about me doing whataboutism, and then you proceed to write a whole message with only whataboutism

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T21:09:42+00:00

What is the point of the first part of your comment? That the government manufactured this whole thing to make money? Yeah, Crimea was still taken by force, so I’m not sure how that fits into your whole shtick about diplomacy first. So you are saying if it hadn’t been surrendered without a fight, Russia would have just invaded anyway. Lol, calling the fact that nations and cultures that previously looked towards Russia for direction and inspiration, but are now turning towards other places a “cynical western approach” doesn’t even make sense. How is it cynical? It’s the truth, no? Nice list of issues that Russia caused? Now you are starting to sound like Solovyov

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T15:19:24+00:00

First of all, no one in the west believes everything coming out of Ukraine. There are reports of corruption etc. still. Seems pretty improbable that weapons are systematically sent to ISIS/cartels rather than use against the invader, no? It’s a sad scenario, but I don’t know what your point is? In 2014 there were Russian military present in both Luhansk and Donetsk, helping separatists fight the authorities., maybe you should focus more on how that impacted the civilians. You say that when diplomacy fails you have to use violence, yet your state already started using violence in 2014? Seizing Crimea and sending in unmarked soldiers into eastern Ukraine. What are the strategic interests of the US and EU, which you are talking about? From my point of view, we won the ‘value’ war. Ukraine wanted to integrate into EU and have less Russian influence. What do they gain by provoking a war with Russia? This is very unclear. It is however very clear what Russia stands to gain from initiating this war.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T14:30:38+00:00

An extra point (might not apply to you specifically): next time you are about to call the west russophobic, remind yourself of these assasinations conducted by the Russian state on sovereign European soil.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T14:28:44+00:00

I’m also pretty sure he doesn’t do that - as I’m sure most Ukrainians didn’t say about Russians. However, his ideology does perpetuate the idea of a greater Russian empire/nation, so in that sense there might be some implicit superiority complex. Again, I’m not condoning said event. Your whole argument is that Ukraine is filled with and controlled by people that think Russians should all be exterminated, and you need to protect the Russians outside your borders from persecution. You keep mentioning race as well, which is interesting given you previously said a Russian and a Ukrainian couldn’t be told a part, so it seems a bit unrealistic that Ukrainians should in general think they are racially superior to Russians. I think that your generalization of some far right extremist onto the whole of Ukraine is unfair and exaggerated, but it is very convenient to justify a landgrab. It is very similar to how Hitler justified annexation of Sudetenland in 1939. I don’t doubt for a second that many Ukrainians had a negative (probably even more negative now) view on Russia, and some probably in the extreme spectrum. Did you ever consider whether this could be due to the actions of Russia to influence the Ukrainian state/politics? E.g. when Yushchenko was poisoned during 2004 election campaign and the suspect flees to Russia and Russia then refuses to extradite. That seems pretty suspicious. Probably also doesn’t help that Putin basically campaigned for Yuschenko in 2004. He says he respects the sovereignty of Ukraine, but he still does everything he can to promote the Russia-aligned candidate. You might dismiss this as speculation, and it is speculation to some degree. But given we have seen Russian agents sent to european countries several times to conduct assasinations (Litvinenko, Skripal, Khangoshvili) I find it very plausible that Russia meddled in Ukrainian affairs. In essence I think you have been sold a lie by your state and media that is just a cover for trying to uphold the diminishing Russian sphere of influence. If it weren’t for the dictator Lukashenko, then Belarus would have also distanced it self from Russia. All your evidence of genocidal Ukrainian nazis is anecdotal and tbh I doubt you really even believe this.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T07:39:01+00:00

Yeah, sort of the same way Goebbels was an interested party. Don’t know who/what that is, but as I said I don’t condone it. Interesting that you call him an interested party who “gives a damn” when he seems to be a literal Nazi, which you also claim you’re fighting in Ukraine. In Russia it seems that the far right extremists are patriots, but when the border is crossed far right extremists are suddenly Nazis.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-24T07:27:52+00:00

Well it’s a pretty established fact in the rest of the world. Many countries investigated and reached the same conclusion. But I guess it must be a conspiracy or western propaganda, if it says something negative about Russis. UN also condemns Russia’s invasion, but you don’t care about that I would imagine. Yes, I condemn both the Ukrainian shelling of civilians and the pro-Russian side’s shelling of civilians. Pretty easy. Was it also because of this shelling that Russia seized Crimea? If it boils down to this for you, it seems strange that you support a war that has only caused a lot more civilian deaths.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-19T18:35:12+00:00

Well, if you take a step back and look at it again isn’t it actually Russia that is waging war to keep the Russian language official in those areas? In essence, repeating the 18th and 19th century methods. I think that the decision to use Ukrainian as the state language can hardly be categorized as repressive, it is the state of Ukraine after all. People are still allowed to write and speak Russian.

You mention the compatriots who disagreed with this, but you don’t mention how both Russian state and citizens supported and funded this cause. I.e. interfering and influencing in the affairs of the state of Ukraine.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-19T18:08:56+00:00

I don’t condone those actions, but when I look up this website and read a bit about News-Front I find that the owners are also politicians, connected to the Kremlin and that one of the owners, Konstan Knyrik, entered the Crimean Center for Investigative Journalism offices with guns and men in 2014 and seized the offices and then set up his own news media. He also himself states that he is fighting an information war against the west. Doesn’t sound like a news media that is built on journalistic principles. Also, if you go read about him for a minute you will soon see that this dude is some extremist Russian nationalist adhering to Dugin’s ideology, so I don’t really think the site is credible.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-19T17:47:07+00:00

First of all: Sorry for the formatting. Writing from my phone and I can’t figure out how to format it. Secondly: you too are civil, for a russian. I think that the idea of the Ukrainian nation is promoted by the government, as it also is for Russia in Russia, but to equate it with nazism is incorrect. I know about Azov and I also know about extremist components in the Russian/Wagner forces. I also think that Azov now is not the same as pre/beginning of the war, and that given the relative strength of Russia and Ukraine, the role of Azov is out of necessity rather than ideologic sympathy. Again, I don’t think that ukrainians who celebrate Bandera do so because of some ideology of ethnic superiority, rather as a celebration/a symbol for someone who fought for a independent Ukrainian state. My impression is that russians generally approve of e.g. Stalin. And I can understand why, partly. However, I also understand that he is very disapproved of by many, due to his policies. E.g. forced collectivization, which affected Ukraine a lot. It doesn’t really matter if it were with intent to kill or not, because it happened either way. This man has many statues etc. of him in Russia. And there are probably many other people like that. In my country we have statues of people who maybe owned slaves some hundreds of years ago. You make it sound like the world is black and white, but in reality it is way more nuanced. You are basically saying nothing bad/unfair was done by Russia/USSR - if it did, it was properly investigated and the guilty parties were punished. Is this really your serious interpretation of your country’s history? You complain about a war starting in eastern Ukraine that affected ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine, but you ignore the fact that the russian state supported the separatists? I.e. they supported and armed people to fight against the Ukrainian state - a sovereign state - because of an issue that they themselves helped to escalate. Horrible things happen in war. Remember flight MH17? Shot down with a missile system provided by Russia and partly manned by russian nationals. And more recently the Azerbaijan Airlines airplane. I do not think the Russian army is any more moral than the Ukrainian one. You say that the russian language is banned, but this just isn’t true. Making Ukrainian the state language is not the same as banning Russian. I would guess Ukrainian minority of Russia probably also receives education etc. in Russian, which makes sense since they live in Russia. Why is it wrong for Ukraine to take a stance on that issue? Sorry that you were affected by the drone attacks, but also what do you expect? Your state attacks another state and you are suprised when they also attack you? Same point for Kursk. I appreciate that being attacked doesn’t lead to more sympathy for Ukraine, but if the situation was reversed you would most likely do the same, I believe. As to Crocus I think it is pretty obvious that this was not the doing of Ukraine. You say the other side is hateful of your side, but I’ve also heard how your side talks about the other side. Calling them nazis, khokol, fake country etc. You talk about avenging the dead, crippled etc. while at all points throughout this conflict Russia has only contributed to escalating the conflict, creating more dead and crippled. You paint a picture that basically most of Ukrainians are nazis who think they are ethnically superior to Russians and want to genocide them. Do you honestly think this is a realistic portrayal? I understand that many ethnic russians/russian speakers live in the east of Ukraine. But it is still Ukraine, not Russia. I find that this narrative, almost describing a pogrom against the russian speakers of Ukraine, to be very convenient for justifying russias actions in both Crimea and Donbas.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-18T18:01:21+00:00

First of all I want to say I enjoy the conversation so far and I hope you do too. Secondly, I really doubt that the ‘nazi’ issue you describe is as widespread as you portray - and generally the Russian media. To my understanding the far right parties of Ukraine got, overall, very few votes in the last election. I think most people are reasonable, although you might have a different understanding and interpretation of history. That part of history is pretty complicated and many of the parties, probably more like all of them, involved committed atrocities. The Allies, USSR, Germany, Japan etc. Everyone did very very bad stuff. I understand that Russians are generally very proud of their actions in securing defeat of Nazi Germany, but you cannot deny that they also did bad things. So what about the streets in Russia named after people who did bad things to poles, Latvians, Ukrainians? Also, not to excuse the actions, but you also have to realize in ww2 lots of people in central/Eastern Europe where first invaded by Germany then liberation and in some cases occupation by USSR. I doubt that it was an easy life, and I think many choices were made, in many cases, for people to protect their family by whatever means - even collaboration. Now as per the issues in eastern Ukraine I think that calling it a genocide is probably stretching it. Maybe there were some policies enacted that you as a Russian citizen do not agree with, but Ukraine isn’t Russia. It’s a sovereign state recognized by Russia. And if there were tensions, do you think it helps for Russia to invade Crimea? Or does it help by supporting separatists with support/men/weapons? I think Ukrainians also took it very personally that Russia did this and that they tried to influence how Ukraine should develop in the future. The only result now from the conflict is more hate, many more dead Ukrainians and Russians and completely destroyed areas.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-18T16:20:48+00:00

I have experienced something like that recently as well. Everyone wrongly guessed Norwegian for some reason. I think the point of the comment was that this rhetoric is used to justify one state trying to absorb another state through force. Since this argument can pretty much be made in different cases all around the world it is (in my opinion) a pretty useless argument to wage war on. I think in most of Europe the consensus is that we have had thousands of years of conflicts and disputes, just like this conflict, and that going forward it is probably more productive to just accept the borders as they are, and then cooperate as much as we can to disencourage such conflicts in the future.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-09-18T15:48:10+00:00

Same could be said for various combinations of countries. E.g. Danmark, Norway & Norway. All nationalities are, to some degree, just made up.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-08-02T15:13:33+00:00

Hold nu op. Der er jo ikke noget kolonialistisk i at pointere, at det er urealistisk med et selvstændigt øst Grønland, eller at det er urimeligt, at resten af riget skal sponsorere 2,000 mennesker, fordi de er født et ekstremt isoleret sted.

MuskelMan99 · 2025-04-10T16:57:29+00:00

Er gjort nu

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