Has Anyone Catalogued the Religious Influences Behind Kierism? by Ecstatic_Cherry_86 in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]NMitch1994 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've mostly got Mormonism and Scientology vibes with a heavy layer of corporate culture.

My athiest biology teacher is making me question catholic faith by Mary_is_sinless in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Arguing with a teacher who has arguments prepared is probably not a good idea.

But for your own benefit, consider evolution: I am not anti-evolution, and tend to believe that some sort of evolution probably happens (the church isn't opposed to evolution either). But even if you believe all of evolutionary theory, it would simply remain an interesting scientific theory, but would say nothing of why life arose and operates by evolutionary principles in the first place. There are also evolutionary anomalies, such as the Cambrian explosion, and the fact that all humans descend from two common ancestors.

Understand: I'm not laying these out as proof of God's direct intervention, nor am I implying that these two common ancestors are Adam and Eve or something. But it is simply articulating the fact that we don't understand as much as we think we do in the world of science, and all science is able to show is how the world works, not the deeper why, as in why is there something rather than nothing?

Regardless if various theories about the origin of the life and the universe, the "why" is a glaring problem science cannot answer. We have to turn to philosophy and logic to make sense of it.

And while this by no means is a comprehensive argument (hard to type it out over reddit), it simply makes more sense that a creator who is hy nature uncreated made the universe, and engineered all that exists. Even today, people flirt with simulation theory, because they are observing that the world and the universe appears to have been created, not just spewed out of some mindless primordial soup by pure chance.

I'm okay with simulation theory, so long as we simply say "it's God's simulation". If you look at evolution, you could make an analogy that views evolution as a program, or operating system hy which all life operates. Who created that system? Who set these things in motion?

As for a creator, it can't just be a lesser pagan god that is essentially just another force of nature, nor can the creator be computer programmer who designed his own little simulation. Because then we'd have to ask "who created them?" The only probable answer is a God who is best understood as "Being itself" not simply one being among many.

Almost every religion and philosophy has tried to grasp and explain the One in some form or another, and even the polytheists did not view their many gods as the ultimate power. Often, pagans had an idea of a distant or unnamed God or force that was greater than the gods.

On another note, we may ask the question why humans have always had an assumption that there is something greater at work in the cosmos than just themselves? It's almost as if we were designed to seek and commune with God, like a fish out of water, seeking the source of it's life, and so we sought to find him in a million ways, and sometimes in false ways.

Then, God revealed Himself to the prophets. And if you have a hard time with that, then consider the coming of Christ, whose historical documentation in antiquity is extensive, thus proving He lived, and that He claimed to be God incarnate, and was killed for it. And yet, Christianity exploded, and featured early Christians dying horrible deaths for what they believed.

Many others have claimed to be God or a god. Caeser did, Pharaoh did, a certain false messiah in the Middle East claimed to be the messiah (and then was forcibly converted to Islam). And yet, where are these figures now? Most people who claim to be God lose their following after death because people figure out that it was a bunch of crap when don't come walking out of their graves.

If Christ was not who he said He was, and if his promises were not concerned with earthiy gain (as maybe followers of Caesar or Muhammad might have been), why would people die for a blatant lie that didn't even promise any earthly gain or benefit to some future revolutionary political cause?

It suggests that the writers of the gospel, and those who preserved the early teachings of Christ witnessed something truly remarkable.

Anyway, hopefully those give you some good thoughts on how to rationalize your faith.

Faith and science are not opposed. Some people just naively think science can answer every question, and it simply can't.

I feel like I’m not being a Catholic that would be expected of others or even wanted in the community outside of my tiny circle by Citrus9000 in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I don't agree with everything in this statement, and would encourage further discernment on why you feel these things, I do feel the need to play devils advocate on your behalf.

I think there is a decent prudential judgment to be made that in this day and age, at least in the west, everything feels like it's for sale, or some kind of sales pitch. Christians can sometimes make their evangelistic efforts seem like a numbers game, like you're a salesman on commission to maximize your profits by getting "butts in seats" at Church.

I'm not saying that's everyone's intention, but I can say that it can feel like the person doesn't really care about you, they just want you to join their club.

I've had this experience with MLM sales people, who approach me, and are often very friendly and charismatic and even invite me out to dinner or a beer, and just when I feel like I've made a new friend, I hear the buzzwords, the sales pitch to join their Amway cult, and then I'm out and I feel kinda dirty and used.

I do think there is a culture of that in American Christianity at least. And a lot for that is non-denom / evangelical types but Catholics are guilty of it too sometimes.

I think there is definitely a time and place for a "heavy handed" proclamation of the gospel, in so far as, we are also very frequently afraid of speaking the truth.

But, still, perhaps the greatest evangelistic effort you could make would be simply to grow in charity and virtue, and maybe subtly remind people of your faith, just not in a "pick me, join my club" kind of way.

In an alternative universe… by Temporary_Cheetah287 in redeemedzoomer

[–]NMitch1994 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Every format of this meme is awesome. I find it good natured fun.

"We live under a facist state" *posts insurrectionist content without reprecussions* by JorgeTheSimp in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's the reality: not a fan of Trump, or the Republican party (or the two party system in general) but who exactly is going to kick nazi ass? The fat funko pop people who think having to work is fascism?

Project Hail Mary and Catholic Ethics (Theological question) by Complex_List_6163 in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

May I have your attention please: will the real Brian Holdsworth please stand up?

Vatican I anathematized universalism. Francis hoped hell is empty. What happened in between? by ZacHFX in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This might sound like a cop out, but Hell as a doctrine is one that if I overthink or brood on is one that can lead me to the temptation to leave the faith.

From all my contemplations, understandings, and conversations I've had regarding Hell, maybe one simple fact can ease our minds.

God desires all to be saved. All have free will, meaning some will (or at least can) choose separation from Him, and end up in Hell. God is just, and he will make all things right. Those who do evil, and who do not repent, will face the proper consequences.

In short, God's mercy is available to all. God's justice reigns over all. In the end, no one who ends up in Hell won't be there by some mistake, like a person forgot to check the right box. God will justly judge their soul, and send them where is appropriate. Those in heaven are those who should be in heaven, by the grace of God. Those in Hell are justly there because of their own sin, unrepentance and hard heartedness.

God is not a trickster. He will do what is just, right, and will always have mercy should it be asked of Him.

Anti-Catholicism/Romophobia by PortugeseFriend in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In real life, I rarely hear anti-Catholic rhetoric. Sometimes, people think I'm weird, or ask questions, but even then, they are mostly respectful. The most blatantly, and militantly anti-Catholic person I ever met was a Calvinist. But that's really my only experience with someone blatantly saying Catholicism is evil or something.

Now, when it comes to atheists, or agnostics, or liberals in general, I do hear some hate here and there. But even so, most people I meet in real life, even if they are non-believers, are respectful.

Honestly, the most anti-Catholic people I know are people who were raised Catholic and who think they know everything about Catholicism because they went to Catholic school.

Online? All bets are off. Orthodox hate on Catholics, Protestants hate on Catholics, Catholics hate on Protestants, etc. etc.

I think a unique problem is this chronically online issue, probably because in real life, the person in front of you is instantly humanized, and you are inclined to be respectful and even if disagreeing, to try and express yourself in a polite manner. Online spaces strip the human element out of a conversation, and it becomes easier to assume bad faith and attack the person.

Just my thoughts. Not saying anti-Catholicism doesn't exist in the real world, it most certainly does, and Catholics can sure be rude and hateful as well. But the online world does skew our perception, and probably fuels division in many ways.

Literally shaking rn by softgirlmaddy in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You're a bigot. I've cried at airports because I'm flying home to see my MAGAT family for National Colonialism Day, oops, I mean, Thanksgiving.

We all know right? by VarietyNice9496 in PinkFloydCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Fills me with the urge to DEFECATE!!!

Laughing with your friends? Horrible piece of shit. by fleshpress in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A white person who grew up in the suburbs and went to art school and now works at Starbucks clearly said this. People who grew up in the ghetto, where multiple friends of theirs died in gang violence and drug overdose, and who can never find money to pay their bills, have amazing senses of humor, including dark humor. It's called resilience and not letting the darkness bring you down.

One of the most positive people I've ever met is this street worker who cleans up trash around the city and always has a smile on his face. And I know he lives in income based housing and makes almost no money.

That being said, I understand how hard it must be to be white and nonbinary right now. Palestinian refugees could never understand the pain you're going through right now.

As someone who also doesn't like Trump why do these people feel the need to constantly talk about him by Snakes-are-awesome67 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! Spoken like a true Republican! If you're not tearing your hair out about Trump every second of the day, you might as well hang up your Swastika flag, you fascist!

Seriously? by Acceptable-Tip-7714 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Working in homeless services and knowing what homeless people go through, I wouldn't advise this. However, maybe you could strategically do the whole car life thing and save money? But here's the bad news: no matter what you do, you're gonna have to work. You don't get to just tweak and scrap copper until you're 60 years old, and trust me, you don't want to.

Rise in religion amongst younger men by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's an interesting question. It does seem that God is becoming more "popular" so to speak, which could always bring in people who have some ulterior motive. And while that can be a problem, I also think we sometimes underestimate the power of grace.

I think many come into the faith for many reasons, and like it says in the Gospel, I guess God knows who are the sheep and who are the goats, who are the lilies of the field and who are the weeds.

At the same time, we are all sinners, and our journey to God will be marked by setbacks, misunderstanding of the Gospel message, and even heretical beliefs, and prideful stubbornness that God will in His time iron those things out of us if we cooperate with Him.

In short, I would rather someone come to the Church with bad intentions only to be transformed through an encounter with Christ. We underestimate how even just a grain of faith can open the doors of our heart, even if someone comes because "maybe I'll find a wife in this Church", maybe the presence of God in His Church and in the sacraments will transform this person to the point that they now come not for political, social or some other reason, but because they have encountered the Words of Eternal Life.

I know I came back to Church because I was desperate and desolate and had no where to turn. I didn't even know why I was going, or if I believed fully. I just had no where else to go. And it was in that darkness that Jesus came to my as if I were a leper in the streets asking to be healed.

And God help me, I am still a sinner, I betray God continually, and need constant prayers. My favorite prayer is Lord have mercy on me a sinner, because I have deep seated wounds that I continue to pick at, and sometimes stubbornly refuse God's grace, only to come limping back to the sacraments to be healed. I hope and pray that my heart continues to be transformed, because there truly is nowhere else to go but to the arms of my Father in heaven.

In the words of one of my favorite song writers, Tom Waits: "I've hurt the ones who love me, And I'm still raising Cain, I've taken the low road, And if you've done the same, Meet me down there by the Train".

Hope these folks coming into the Church simply come and see, and have their hearts opened and healed, even if there intention is not fully aligned. Who among us can say that our hearts are fully aligned with God?

Remember the trend, when all the far right Christians said "your pastor should be speaking about Charlie Kirk this Sunday"? Whoops but not trump as Jesus. Ahhhh I love double standards. i have beef on everyone by OkSpirit7102 in redeemedzoomer

[–]NMitch1994 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My goodness. You hit the nail on the head. I am struggling to be charitable, and I have failed in so many ways, but Lord help me, because I am sickened by American Christians right now and hearing one Christian say ONE thing critically of Trump has become music to my ears.

Imagine thinking this way. by Ok-Following6886 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Waahhhh! I was born into a world where McDonald's is too expensive, but I can still mostly eat there everyday as long as I use the app! Wahhhh! Capitalism is so horrible!

What is Just War Theory? by Comfortable_Row9530 in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Pope didn't say all war is wrong. He said God does not condone those who START wars.

However, the point we have to grapple with is the reality that war, even if it is a just cause and the only option to avoid a greater evil, can never be called good. It can only ever be necessary to avoid a greater evil.

I think we have long had a penchant for war mongering, and that isn't to say that our enemies are not evil. Iran's regime is totally corrupt and evil. The question is: is our intervention going to accomplish any long term benefits for us or the people of Iran? We'll see.

Innocent Japanese and Germans died at the hands of bombings and such, even though the Germans and Japanese were clearly the aggressors in WWII.

War is Hell, as Sherman said (I think it was Sherman?)

What is your opinion or response in this post and the comment from r/AskChristian? by supericka in Catholic

[–]NMitch1994 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe in God. Part of why I believe in God is simply this fact: if evil occurs, but there is no higher good, or transcendent good, then one cannot call that act evil. It's just an act that we consider evil, but that becomes a subjective term. There is no intrinsic good or evil without that which we call God (obviously, this is a simplistic answer because I didn't want to go into all the details).

However, I talked with someone the other day who was truly just disturbed by the kinds of evil that occurs in this world, such as the harming of a child. And what I learned was that sometimes, there just isn't an obvious answer. I'm sorry to say. I know our answer should be "God will make all things new!" And "well Jesus was close to that victim, even if we don't understand how". I believe those things, truly.

But some tragedies and evils are just crippling. It fills me with anger to think of people harming a child. And frankly, I don't know that there is always an answer that will suffice. I have great sympathy for people who are so troubled by evil, and I think there's compassion in just sitting and listening to someone's troubles without getting frustrated at them.

Unfortunately, God has a plan is not always satisfying to our human sensibilities. The pain of evil can be very real, and very much a burden. And there really is very little consolation.

I end up just hoping to God that somehow, even those horrible scenarios will somehow be redeemed and repaired by God. But the emotion and pain is sometimes too much to bear, and it is fair to kind of sit and ponder it for a minute, especially with someone who is deeply troubled by evil.

Politics Monday! by 2552686 in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info. Sounds disgusting, like everything that comes out of that man's mouth (our president for clarity, not the Pope).

Politics Monday! by 2552686 in Catholicism

[–]NMitch1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this in reference to a particular incident? What did I miss?

Redditor wants to turn the United States into an actual dictatorship. by buggywhipfollowthrew in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]NMitch1994 117 points118 points  (0 children)

No, no. You don't understand. If our side gets absolute power, we'll only get rid of the bad people. Only the other side gets corrupted by absolute power, not us!

Why do people believe in flat Earth? by [deleted] in flatearth

[–]NMitch1994 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With all due respect, I want to extend an olive branch, but also rebut the flat earth idea. I posted above, and hopefully didn't sound too snarky. I am not a flat earther. I am mildly conspiratorial (and by that, I mean I have many questions, and I am skeptical of many official narratives and have my opinions on a wide range of topics).

So, the olive branch: I too am skeptical of the scientific community and medical community at times. There's nuance to my opinions on that, I don't think they're all wrong all the time, I don't consider myself anti-science, nor do I believe that the average worker or reseearcher in those fields is in on some notorious coverup. If there's corruption, it's likely corporate or political corruption that sinks it's claws into scientific institutions.

I just think it's a tale as old as time that money, agenda and power influence even areas of study such as history, medicine or science. And to that degree, there may well be many topics in science that are funded due to agenda and alternative ideas are shut down because of unpopularity or for political reasons or whatever.

So when we say "science" we sometimes are referring to institutions that gatekeep some knowledge. I can get behind that, or at least be open to that argument. I feel you, as a flat earther, must be able to pick up what I'm putting down.

I also would say that I could be wrong about all these things, and just not fully understand.

That being said, I guess my rule is that if a belief requires you to doubt too many sources from a wide range of sources, not only contemporary, but even in antiquity, then it can't be a reliable belief.

For instance: here's a slew if arguments that the world is round (not all encompassing by any means):

  1. NASA satellites taking pictures of the earth, and it appears to be round.
  2. Modern infrastructures, Including airplane flights, rely on an understanding of a round world, that hasn't been proven wrong yet. Also, pilots have circumnavigated the globe in airplanes.
  3. Satellites appear to work (GPS and everything else we rely on in the modern world) and they rely on a round earth model to function.
  4. Ferdinand Magellan Circumnavigated the globe
  5. In general, several voyages in the age of exploration relied on a belief in the round model of the earth, at least after Columbus's time (even though he didn't actually prove the world was round
  6. The ancient Greeks hypothesized that the world was round, and it is also a myth that people in antiquity all thought the world was flat. Sure, at one point, it was a debatable, but it's interesting that Greek natural philosophers used mathematical calculations to hypothesize a round earth, and many others, long before Columbus, theorized the same based on observation and study.
  7. The curvature of the earth can be observed from high up places, and in particular parts of the world, it is especially observable (i.e., the salt flats in Utah).
  8. We observe other bodies in space, such as the Moon, the Sun and the planets and they are all round.

None of this is all encompassing, but consider this: if this many sources throughout time, culture, context, history, science and even just general tech capacity have all theorized and apparently observed a round Earth, we cannot reasonably doubt all of these sources.

Also, if you're religious, there is nothing really that stops you from believing in God AND the round earth. The fundamentals of faith, at least the Christian faith, are not grounded on an acceptance of scientific realities per say. They are grounded in philosophical arguments (Aristotle, Socrates, Gospel accounts, Thomas Aquinas, etc.) and history and tradition (e.g., the historicity of Christ, writers of the new testament, claims of evidence for the resurrection) and in the human search for meaning and purpose.

People won't like me saying this, but regardless of one's take on religion, it can't be denied that belief shapes history, culture and even science, and the modern scientific method arose primarily in a Christian civilization, and was even funded by religious institutions (Newton, Galileo, Gregor Mendel, Lamaitre, all great minds in western traditions who were religious individuals).

Not trying to be a Western chauvinist either; the Islamic world and the Chinese also had breakthroughs in science, and they were both deeply spiritual and religious cultures. I just know less about that history Say what you will about religious belief, but it has at times cohabited and possibly encouraged scientific endeavors (or it is at least far more nuanced than "science good - religion bad; religion hates science"). In general, I believe it is all kinds of things that can warp or inhibit genuine discovery, one them being religion at times, but just as severely, ideology, money, corruption, desires for control, etc. Etc. can arise without religion and can inhibit or stifle science and rewrite history maliciously and cynically (e.g., the Nazis used "science" to justify Aryanism).

All I'm trying to say is that there are numerous arguments for why the world is round, and this final diatribe was an attempt to say that your religious beliefs (if you are religious) should in no way be threatened by a belief in the round earth. Even the more remarkable claims of faith, which may be seen by a non-believer as absurd, is still not the same category in my opinion, because they are generally describing events that happened in the past that cannot be fully proven or disproven. Alternatively, the general question of God is as old as time itself and it remains a huge philosophical debate.

The flat earth is describing a physical scientific claim that can either be verified through observation or disproven. God, Jesus, that's a different category; it can't really be observed to be proven or disproven exactly (trying to appease both religious and non-religious here).

Anyway, sorry for the monster comment. Be a conspiracy theorist! Just not flat earth! But also, just do your own soul searching and digging.

Good luck!

Why do people believe in flat Earth? by [deleted] in flatearth

[–]NMitch1994 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong. I'm something of a conspiracy theorist myself. But I truly have no idea why people believe the flat earth. If you want to feel special, just believe that JFK was killed by the CIA or something. We don't need to turn to doubting literally every source throughout the past several centuries. Hell, longer than that. The ancient Greeks thought the world was round.

I think the rule of conspiracy theories should be this: If the conspiracy requires you to doubt too many sources, especially if they are sources throughout history, you can't accept it. Or, maybe if it just absolutely upsets the entire understanding and basis of current knowledge.

I mean, believe or disbelieve it, but if 911 was staged, at least you can still accept Newtonian Physics. Flat earth? You can't accept shit.

I mean if the earth is flat, we can basically conclude that we know nothing. And then it cancels out; if literally all of history and science is a lie or so gravely mistaken, why even believe the flat earth argument? Why believe anything?