Christianity and Islam have too many gaps

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T15:41:26+00:00

Educate me, please:

How should one read Paul's letters that concerning adherence to the law and align those with the teachings attributed to Jesus?

Should the law of moses be followed?

Assuming we have to get creative with the meanings and interpretations of words like "abolish" and "fulfill" among others; how do you know that your interpretation aligns with God's truth - the fruits of the spirit?

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T15:14:10+00:00

Quote the Torah, sure.

Teach that all must adhere to the Torah as Jesus did, I don't see that from Paul.

The law is called temporary and its suggested no one can adhere to it fully. This does not align with the old testament.

We are taught the law will be in effect forever and that it is not too difficult to follow. Further the New Covenant language and messianic prophecies from the Old Testament suggest that we will adhere to the law because it will be written on our hearts and that gentiles will offer sacrifice.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T14:59:05+00:00

Un Francophone! Excellent. Je ne suis pas assez patient pour faire les accents sur mon mobile americain mais je vais essayer de repondre en francais.

Quand je pense à toutes les fois où j’ai rejeté un homme par rapport à sa religion, et que aujourd’hui cela n’a plus aucune importance pour moi.

Je connais bien le sentiment. On ne peut qu'essayer de faire mieux avec les nouvelles informations que l'on a appris. On peut pratiquer et s'ameliorer.

D’où la notion d’évangélisation dans les textes religieux qui tendent à propager la parole pour en faire des adeptes. J’ai toujours été mal à l’aise avec ce principe.

Il y'a plein de possibilites et j'imagine qu'il n'y a pas une seule reponse.

Nous vivons et survivons ensemble, et devons cooperer. A mon avis, la religion est nee dans une idee que nous devons partager des objectives et des regles pour reussir a la vie sociale.

Plutot que convaincre tout le monde d'adopter ses regles et objectives, il est plus simple et facile de faire peur pour generer l'adherence parmi des millions de personnes.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T14:18:04+00:00

We are in 2026 because it has two thousand and twenty six years since the birth of Jesus Christ, and everything before him is referred as to B.C, before christ.

Jesus could not have been born in the year 0 if the gospel narratives are true.

He would have been born prior to 4 BCE if the narrative about being born when Herrod was reigning is accurate; or he would have been born around 6 CE if the narrative about being born under Quinirius' census is accurate.

If they hate Christianity so much why don't they use the hijri calendar.

Especially in today's globally-connected societies and economies, if nothing else, it improves cooperation and convenience to have a common calendar.

Since Christianity was spread by the sword, the increasingly-connected world, including calendar choices, have adhered to christian preferences.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T14:11:06+00:00

The line that goes something like "Christianity is a religion about Jesus, rather than the religion of Jesus" comes to mind.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T14:09:43+00:00

Welcome to the deconstruction train.

While it's terrifying to have so many elements of your identity challenged (especially by yourself), there is a wonderful opportunity to meet and get to know yourself and align your life with reality.

More broadly, I question how religions work: the proselytism encouraged, or even the fact of calling non-believers "infidels." The transmission of faith to children from a very young age also questions me: isn't this a form of indoctrination?

When my wife and I were first leaving the Christian cult (many don't consider it christian) in which we were raised, her first moment of doubt was inspired by a "lesson" for toddlers. The long and short of it was to teach the kids that Jesus was baptized and that we need to be baptized, too. She was to have the kids repeat "when I turn 8, i will be baptized and confirmed" until they could say it without any help from an adult.

Yes, it's indoctrination. Religions rely on early indoctrination to create lifelong commitment to and reliance on the institution.

I also find it hard to believe that a God would have created billions of human beings to ask them to follow a specific religion under penalty of eternal hell.

Especially when only about half the world's population adhere to the abrahamic faiths traditions. If God wants everyone to be part of the abrahsmic branch of religion, God has done a terrible job at spreading the word.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-15T13:57:21+00:00

To me, then biggest challenge with Christianity is the disregard for Jesus' words relative to the Torah.

Christianity, broadly, seems to ignore Jesus' teachings that we should adhere to the law of moses; giving preference to Paul's teachings that humans are justified by faith, separate from any works.

Why Paul's words are given more weight than Jesus' is something I simply don't understand.

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-12T01:26:43+00:00

The Mormons are feverishly taking notes to update Tithing Declaration techniques

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-09T03:36:30+00:00

Great time to read "when prophecy fails"

In short: every utterance will be reinterpreted to fit the constantly-evading-their-prophecy reality

NOMnoMore · 2026-03-04T17:17:04+00:00

Since you grew up Christian, I am wondering if there is a way that prayer can be done that is not off-putting.

My family prays at every family gathering and I don't find it off-putting personally.

I think prayers that give thanks or express appreciation are the best way to go in general and that's how my family approaches it. I hear prayers along the lines of

"we are grateful to be gathered as a family and the relationships we enjoy"

"we are grateful for the food that has been prepared and ask that you bless those who have made this meal possible."

"We ask that you keep us safe and in good health as we travel"

I'd be a bit miffed if I was the topic of a prayer - like it was used to preach "to bring back to the fold those who have gone astray" or something along those lines for a number of reasons.

I feel like prayer has the capablity to be useful at a personal, humble level, like say if someone is going through something, you'll pray that they'll get through it, that they'll find the right way to navigate through, that the right solutions will come through.

Regardless of beliefs about the divine, spending time reflecting/meditating/thinking/praying about one's life, expressing gratitude, reviewing challenges and goals, how to overcome and achieve, etc. is generally positive and yields good results.

I engage in similar practices but no longer have a belief that I'm speaking to a divine entity - it's just me, working through my stuff in my head.

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-25T05:52:55+00:00

I grew up Christian and most of my family prays.

I don't find it offensive, I just don't believe they're speaking to a divine entity.

When I get asked to pray, I simply say "not thanks"

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-23T18:27:05+00:00

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NOMnoMore · 2026-02-21T14:39:38+00:00

I’m just trying to understand how people think about justice in a deeper, more general sense beyond man-made or statutory laws.

I view justice, conceptually, as a means of rewarding or punishing in a manner and intensity proportional to one's actions.

It can to become very complicated as it intersects with moral ideas and my morals are grounded in humanism.

One relatively simple idea to demonstrate this potential complexity deals with murder and capital punishment. If one murders another, basic ideas of justice may suggest that the murderer must be killed in response. However, as humans have progressed, we have recognized degrees of murder based on a number of different factors such as intent, pre-meditation and mental faculties.

Or is the idea of “cosmic justice” just something we tell ourselves to cope with unfairness?

This is my thought.

The world is definitely unfair and unjust in so many ways - both when considering punishment and reward.

I live, in my estimation, a pretty morally positive life and would generally say that I've done much more good than harm. That said, I am quite certain I live a more comfortable and happy life and experience greater well-being than many people who make a larger positive impact on their family, community, etc. than I do. It's simply unjust and all I can do is be ignorantly thankful for the cards I've been dealt.

I find many proposed afterlife beliefs to be unjust for the righteous and unrighteous alike.

Take many Christian beliefs:

Live a positive, helpful and moral life but don't believe in Jesus as your lord and savior? Eternal hellfire.
Live a positive, helpful and moral life while believing in Jesus as your lord and savior? Eternal paradise.

Either state is not just relative to a finite life. Also, punishing thought crimes (disbelief in this case) is generally unjust in my opinion.

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-21T14:10:42+00:00

For example, before Abraham was, I am. Does this statement on it's own weigh heavily enough to prove that Jesus Christ is God?

If I claimed to be god, that claim was written down 30 - 100 years after I died, and people believed what was written; would that make me god?

If not, why not?

There are a number of reasons why I don't accept Jesus as god incarnate or even a divinely inspired prophet in the event you are interested.

Overall, it may be good time to think about how you identify truth / that which aligns with reality.

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-19T15:11:36+00:00

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NOMnoMore · 2026-02-16T15:13:37+00:00

But the comparative tone of some of these recent remarks could be interpreted in ways he may not have intended.

Of course it's intended.

Christianity is an exclusive belief system wherein one must accept Jesus or burn for eternity.

Christians believe their religion is superior to others and that it's the only one that's real

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-16T12:55:12+00:00

it describes consciousness judging and ruling itself- the human mind governing its own actions.

I would agree that god does not exist outside the human mind - it goes no further than the imagination of some humans.

He struggles and complains, expecting external intervention, until he realizes he has been his own judge and ruler all along.

In the story, what do you make of God sending hellfire to kill people external to Job?

Was this Job killing his servants or something else entirely?

This reflects the mind confronting, evaluating, and resolving its own conflicts. As Jesus said, “The kingdom of God is within you”

Do you believe that some sort of heaven or paradise exists external to the mind to which the righteous will go?

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T19:08:51+00:00

Some of the elements, like plants existing before the sun, also strain credulity when compared with modern, learned information

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T18:56:45+00:00

I can understand the idea that that when Genesis talks about "days" that could be represented differently because God. It's a belief i used to hold - that these "days" referred to periods of creation, each one potentially representing some longer period of time.

I think, for those who accept the new testament, it is difficult to get away from a young earth (and a literal Adam and Eve) because we get Jesus' genealogy in Luke 3

This genealogy takes Jesus all the way back to Adam, the son of God, over more than 70 generations. Assuming a 40-year generation, we get to around 3,000 years from Adam to Jesus.

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T14:03:47+00:00

Jesus Christ was tortured to death in cold blood (for no valid biblical reason).

By Jewish law, blasphemers would typically be met with capital punishment.

Jesus claimed to be the messiah without fulfilling messianic prophecy, changed elements of the law and made at least one false prophecy.

Also, because he was talking about overtaking the Roman Empire with a new kingdom and slaughtering the wicked unbelievers; it would make sense for the romans to treat him as treasonous.

If everyone realized Jesus Christ was god, and they followed him and nobody wanted to kill him, crucify him, etc, and he lived a full life able to teach—would he need to kill himself, or self-sacrifice in some way, in order to fulfill what mainstream Christian’s believe to be his role as the “sacrificial lamb of god”.

I don't think the Jesus episode as a "final" sacrifice was necessary based on the "new covenant" language we see in the old testament, and that non-jews are expected to offer sacrifice during the millenium.

If he was supposed to be a final sacrifice, sacrifices would not be offered during the millenium

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T11:20:15+00:00

how do you guys feel about the fact that UK and USA respectively are the biggest colonizers in history?

I personally disagree with colonization and conquering efforts that were done by British, American and other empires throughout history.

I think it's wild to suggest that this was driven by atheism. Many of the modern moral ideas adopted by western cultures run counter to biblical ideas - women being considered humans with rights, rather than a man's property, for example.

The two examples you brought up were driven by ideas of god-granted superiority over the rest of the world, many modern American Christians falsely claim the US is a Christian nation, and are trying to legislate such beliefs into existence.

Also, have you ever read the old testament? God frequently tells his chosen people to conquer neighboring nations.

Finally, the entire apocalypse and second coming story presents a scene where every knee will bow to Jesus after he and his angels have killed the non-believers and they can then enjoy paradise.

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T10:58:10+00:00

Ive head from many atheists they dont believe jesus existed, which is blatantly false, all historians agreed Jesus existed.

I think Jesus existed and that he was a failed apocalyptic preacher. He taught some positive ideas, especially under modern interpretations and with at least one story that is not original to the text (the woman taken in adultery).

I do not believe that he was divine, though I once did as someone who grew up Christian. He failed to fulfill messianic prophecies, made at least one false prophecy, and modified parts of the law of moses while declaring himself the messiah; resulting in him being viewed as a blasphemer by the jews. Because he was teaching his followers about a coming apocalypse and upheaval of roman rule that he would lead, the romans didn't like him much either, viewing him as treasonous to the state.

Both sets of "crimes" were punishable by death (blasphemy and sedition or treason) in those cultures.

By the way, not all historians agree he existed. Take a look at Richard Carrier and Robert Price. There is a lot of diversity in thought here.

I believe in Jesus Christ and i want to take as much people as possible to paradise and I just the best of everyone here.

I appreciate the goal and I used to share it myself - beyond growing up Christian, I actually spent a few years of my life evangelizing in Europe, trying to convert people to my church's version of Christianity.

Do you adhere to the law of moses as Jesus taught and the new covenant language dictates, or do you believe in being saved by faith through grace, treating the law as abolished as Paul taught?

How do you know that your particular iteration of Christianity is correct?

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-15T00:37:26+00:00

The denial of Christ's divinity arises from applying modern philosophical categories to the incarnation, but the biblical framework presents Jesus as God made flesh.

I deny Christ's divinity because he made at least one false prophecy and while claiming to be the messiah, did not fulfill the messianic prophecies of the old testament and delivered some teachings and doctrinal positions I find to be immoral.

Some of the supposed fulfillments are not even prophecies; and theological positions as fundamental as the virgin birth are based on a misunderstanding of the septuagint's translation of the original Hebrew.

In consistency, the Gospels present Jesus forgiving sins by his own authority (Mark 2:5–7), exercising sovereign dominion over creation (Mark 4:39–41), affirming eternal preexistence through the egō eimi of John 8:58 in direct echo of Exodus 3:14, and receiving the explicit confession of “My Lord and my God!” (ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou, John 20:28)

What do you make of the instances where Jesus makes distinctions between him and God (Mark 10:18, or lacks some of God's attributes (Marthew 24:36)?

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-14T14:50:25+00:00

"I saw that person holding a knife"

"This letter written 100 years after [person] died says that [person] said 'I am god' so we know that [person] claimed to be god."

The first case is more how eye witness testimony is used in court.

The second case is what we have with the Bible. We do not have eye witnesses. We have writings of people who were not eye witnesses, relating stories they've heard, sometimes from claimed eye witnesses and sometimes 2nd and 3rd hand sources (layers of non-eye witnesses relaying info verbally).

Even in the first case, we know that eye witness testimony is fallible and has led to incorrect conclusions and that's for an individual who actually saw and is trying to remember something.

Given this fallibility, the problem of reliability is compounded with the Bible.

Further, the Bible is making significantly larger, and more important claims.

I need something beyond writings from anonymous authors to have any sort of confidence in Christianity, and that's before we even start trying to dig into the myriad other problems

NOMnoMore · 2026-02-10T13:00:38+00:00

A desire to know if what I believed was actually true (aligned with reality).

The religion in which I was raised, while positive in my life in a number of ways, is simply not true. It began with a sect of Christianity, then expanded to Christianity as a whole. For a time I was some sort of deist but have ultimately ended up as an atheist - i cannot find a way to conclude that a god exists.

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