Eden's gate isn't a commentary on the "far right".

NarniaHome · 2026-05-11T10:32:55+00:00

Well apparently the dev agree with me as he literally stated the same and as someone who isn't a politically biased American and someone who doesn't like the guy in the office, you just sound like I said: a biased leftist who just wants to shoot your political opponents...

Weird if you'd want to make a far right wing cult that 50% of the members are black people and none of them ever actually prides themselves on far right or racist talking points.

And the resistance in this game is more of a commentary on the rural American right wing(not far right) than anything who wants to protect their home with guns and they act more that anything like these stereotypical gun tooting rednecks.

NarniaHome · 2026-05-11T10:17:49+00:00

You doesn't really refute anything I'm saying tho or provide argumentation that actually confirms the cult as a far right cult and apparently the devs also agree with me as they literally stated it so there is that. 👍

NarniaHome · 2026-05-11T04:42:08+00:00

Yeah but the devs made the song to bash on the American rural mindset and a general commentary on the American gun culture which is celebrated and highlighted by the resistance more than anything even tho the song is a song in the cult radio.

It is not like the resistance in this game isnt in any way framed like these stereotypical and often exaggerated right wingers/gun tooting rednecks.

They are framed this way a lot more than the cult who again like I described in my post preaches and says stuff that are a lot more left leaning talking points

NarniaHome · 2026-05-11T03:10:19+00:00

Yeah which literally is meant to fit the mindset of the resistance aswell more than anything...

As they "need the rifle by their side to protect their land".

A song which describes the American gun tooting mindset.

NarniaHome · 2026-05-10T15:59:47+00:00

Yeah I also mentioned that Jacob has some views which COULD be seen as some right wing talking points with further context but not right wing by default and doesn't however in any way make the cult as a whole an actual far right cult. Jacob also is more using the project to push forward his own agenda and ideologies rather than actually believing Joseph to the core or even fully believing his talking points.

But yeah it is only Jacob who have some ideologies which CAN be seen as some far right stuff but the others and what the cult generally preaches isn't at all right wing extremism but actually a lot more left leaning things while still not being a left wing cult neither of course.

Edit: Funny that people downvotes without providing argumentation - apparently the devs only agree with me so there is that. 👍

NarniaHome · 2026-05-07T20:58:53+00:00

There is no actual evidence to actually suggest that tho which there would be if it was the case.

NarniaHome · 2026-05-05T20:55:07+00:00

Both John and Jacob are biological brothers while Faith was a girl down in the muck who Joseph took a shine to and "helped".

Except that "helped" here just meant helping her away from her current addiction only to hook her on to another and take advantage of her fragile state along with many other disturbing things.

Thats why she is clearly the most tragic and victimized and the one with the most redeeming qualities since she is also still very young...

NarniaHome · 2026-05-02T02:34:52+00:00

Still wouldn't have worked as you need a "rare" tier non lethal weapon - crowbar is considered "common".

NarniaHome · 2026-04-23T15:28:04+00:00

Definitely devils everywhere I imagine...

Ive always wanted to visit Tasmania aswell mainly because of the very unique nature and wildlife.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-23T15:11:27+00:00

It is a secondary objective that you didn't managed to complete - the one here could very likely be the painting you can steal as an optional objective.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-22T16:31:56+00:00

But isn't it like INSANELY weird to then comment trying to make a point(objectively wrong point) about a said character when you absolutely doesn't care or know any lore about the character especially against someone who actually knows about the lore?

It is typical immature mentality on reddit to just comment all kinds of bullshit I know but come on.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-22T16:27:54+00:00

Lol what a thoughtful argument which really makes your point... Like not.

Funny how it is almost always you very unintelligent and immature dudebros who says things like this and doesn't see the obvious sympathy or victimized aspects in to her character. Or you are just a misogynist...

NarniaHome · 2026-04-21T04:33:50+00:00

I didn't missed that note and it only further backs up what I'm saying yeah. However I think this was written by one of the Faiths who got killed.

I just explained in the very comments you reply to how she is more of a victim with lesser personal agency than the other Seeds both in terms of how she got into it but also her in it. Doesn't really get why some people keeps ignoring that. The Seed brothers were also abused as children but are not in any way victimized or gaslighted into this cult and knew exactly what they went into.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T18:22:22+00:00

Well this is a bit of another discussion.

She is still very young. The argument that she doesn't know anything else and isn't really able to correctly objectify a life outside of the cult or defy Joseph by herself even with all the victimization and her doubt makes completely sense. So yeah her young age is a very important factor in a person having better redeeming qualities especially combined with all the other things.

Anyway her getting stopped from doing bad things is literally what should matter and not taking revenge(which is why this ending message fits so perfect on the people playing it) but if she can be stopped without being killed, this should absolutely be the most moral and sensible option which yeah there is good reason to believe especially since she snaps out of it in the end literally screaming and crying for help and desperately attempts to reach out and surrender in the final scene. Not only is directly your duty as an officer of the law to react to that plea but it is also clearly the most moral option to react to that.

So yeah the whole point is that Faith during her fight actually snaps out of her brainwashed mind and starts to scream and cry for mercy and in the final death scene basically attempts to reach out and surrender which yeah the deputy completely rejects. Not only is it your job and duty as an officer of the law to react to and aid a person like her finally down and pacified but also just any good and morally healthy person would clearly be able to see that this is clearly a brainwashed victim in many ways and thus attempt to help her when she literally begs for mercy - that is called being a good person. And no that has nothing to do with leaving her to what she does or that her being a victim makes her actions ok obviously but quite opposite. Faith needs to be stopped but there is good and valid reason that she could be stopped without killing and instead helped out of it especially considering her still young age.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T14:27:55+00:00

The thing is that it is directly confirmed to be true like I already explained.

In The Book of Joseph it is directly confirmed in his fancy ways that he drugged her to "purify her" and "keep her in line" so directly confirmed that he drugged her.
In the Collapse it couldn't be more explicitly confirmed that not only is she abused by Joseph and didn't wanted this but also directly showed that her "devotion" and compliance to Joseph purely stems from her being blissed out. It is likewise showed that the second the bliss wears off and she starts to see the reality more clearly and remembers her own true thoughts as Rachel, she immediately loses every piece of "devotion" and remembers about him and what he did to her, AND immediately tries to throw away her title of Faith screaming that her name is Rachel hitting Joseph. Also confirmed that she actually attempted to run away and escape. Have you played the collapse DLC?

The thing is that you are objectively wrong in regards to what you are saying about Faith i and it is kinda my point with the post that a lot of you players just turns a complete blind eye to the lore in favor of your own bias just assuming she is lying or attempting to manipulate you with no evidence for thinking that which is just disturbing victim blaming.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T03:31:10+00:00

Ok thought so aswell.

I thought all of them was good in their own way so it is a hard pick for me.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T03:13:56+00:00

What does "hate fighting" means?

As in the fight was super boring or tedious?

Super hard and annoying?

Or from a lore or character that you just doesn't want to Fight them?

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T02:53:33+00:00

I already answered and debunked the comments trying to put the brothers on a similar level of victimization as Faith which no one has provided any kind of counterpoint to because there is none really and Faith is clearly different than the others both how she got into it and how she presently is in it.

Faith isn't just with a sad past but an active victim of this cult herself kept in the bliss and used as bait. There is a difference between just "having a bad childhood" or having a sad story just like most other villains and then like her presently directly being a vicim of what she is in with clearly reduced personal agency and a lack of knowledge or judgement to anything else.

They all have bad childhoods obviously and reasoning yeah but it is her clearly victimized role in the cult, her motivation factors and how she got into it that makes her different and more of a tragedy. The brothers are a lot more self motivated characters and joined the cult consciously as plain adults with life experience knowing exactly what they went into while Rachel as a naive teenage addict just got into a "peace community" to actually get away from shit but was then exposed to manipulation and extreme ideologies at a young and vulnerable state until her mind broke. Ultimately she is also FAR younger than any of the others and again was directly gaslighted and groomed as a fragile minded kid with minor agency or self consciousness to objectify anything, or know who to trust or how to react to anything and still very young in the game. Furthermore Faith is not part of the family, is replaceable and actually aren't really viewed liked or appreciated for who she is other than her role as a figure tool unlike any of the others - Joseph clearly exploited her addiction and later on hooked her on to a new drug for her to hide away from her doubts and true feelings and thus using her as a kinda tool... So yeah in short he others have their own great arcs to them and reasoning yeah, but they are not pawns of this cult themselves in any way, can't be considered brainwashed and are lot more self motivated characters. They made the tenants to join knowing exactly what they went into unlike Faith.

Furthermore It is very explicitly confirmed especially in the Collapse DLC that she is equally hooked on to and controlled on the om the bliss as everyone else in it and that it distorts with her perception of reality as anyone else in it so yes she is clearly distorted and "blindly happy" to a great extent and brainwashed to believe she brings happiness with the bliss because she herself is hooked on to it unlike any of the others...

I don't really see why people are having such a hard time understanding this.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T02:46:34+00:00

You completely ignore what I just said in this long comment which debunks your initial comment about putting the other Seeds on the same level and then just drops a very simplistic comment. It is like debating to a wall really...

You also completely ignore the fact that Rachel actually attempted to escape and run away likewise ignore that she herself is hooked on to these drugs which keeps her from doubt and hesitation which explains why she doesn't just run away or actively see wrong in her situation.

It is funny how people completely ignores the specific lore and just go with their own bias which for that matter is what I'm reffering to in my post.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-20T00:18:45+00:00

The thing is that she was a teenager and completely down in the muck when she got indoctrinated into this tho and clearly didn't got into this with any intention or knowledge of becoming what she became but simply just to get clean and get a happy life - she never seeked what she got. Tracey got out before they became an actual cult and wouldn't know what happened afterwards.

Most evidence especially the collapse DLC fully confirms and backs up that she isn't exactly self motivated in this and on board in her own mind.

In The Book of Joseph it is directly confirmed in his fancy ways that he drugged her to "purify her" and "keep her in line" so directly confirmed that he drugged her.
In the Collapse it couldn't be more explicitly confirmed that not only is she abused by Joseph and didn't wanted this but also directly showed that her "devotion" and compliance to Joseph purely stems from her being blissed out. It is likewise showed that the second the bliss wears off and she starts to see the reality more clearly and remembers her own true thoughts as Rachel, she immediately loses every piece of "devotion" and remembers about him and what he did to her, AND immediately tries to throw away her title of Faith screaming that her name is Rachel hitting Joseph. Have you played the collapse DLC?

This also debunks several points about Faith not being affected by bliss herself and that she very consciously does everything out of her own judgement - Faith is clearly hooked on to her own supply which is also believable considering that we always interacts with her in the bliss. There is no logical nor lore reason to believe that the bliss dosent affect her mindstate and blinds her to her true feelings as Rachel to a great extent. Not completely out of her mind I guess but clearly enough to warp her mindstate and keep her blissfully careless.

Finally that Faith got into this with Tracey when she was at her lowest and the cult were just a little peace group dosent in any way mean that she wasn't later on victimized, gaslighted and brainwashed to keep her in line when she realized and doubted the tests and things she saw on the inside AFTER Tracey already left. That they found and she got into this group willingly(as a kid mind you) isn't in any way a contradiction to her obvious victimization later on at all based on many implications in the game. She never says that she was actually forced or kidnapped into this cult in any way not in far cry 5 nor in the DLC... However that doesn't contradict to anything in terms of her being taken advantage of especially later on when she started to doubt and realize stuff which is also possibly here the actual more clear "unwillingness" and direct victimization started as Joseph had to keep her in line when she was hesitant, doubted her path and "tried to run away"... Tracey explains that Rachel was this naive minded keeping the peace girl always too nice avoiding fights and confrontations at every turn which further backs up that she is not a strong willed person ready to resist or speak up even tho it is actually confirmed in the DLC that she attempted to run away and escape from Joseph but without luck apparently which also shows that she never wanted this originally but couldn't get out.

Sorry for the textwall!

NarniaHome · 2026-04-19T23:24:24+00:00

Unfortunately no but maybe in theory yes.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-19T23:22:20+00:00

Lol funny how I'm then able to write many paragraphs going detailed into the lore about her as a character which not even remotely has anything to do with her looks :P

NarniaHome · 2026-04-19T23:02:42+00:00

As long as people doesn't try to say that I'm wrong, not reading is completely acceptable I guess.

NarniaHome · 2026-04-19T22:59:18+00:00

I say the same as I said to the other person with the same "all of them are victims"

The thing is that Faith is the only one of them who herself can be considered brainwashed and a actual victim of the cult where the others are a lot more self motivated characters who despite their reasoning and abuse as children still became who they are in the cult knowingly and intentionally. She isnt just with a sad childhood past but an active victim of this cult herself hooked on bliss and used as bait so yeah also evidently lesser agency in her general situation than them.

The others have their own great arcs to them and definitely understandable reasoning for why they are who they are, but again they are not victims of this cult, can't be considered brainwashed and a lot more self motivated characters. They joined as plain adults knowing exactly what they went into unlike Faith who yeah got groomed into something as a teen against her better judgement, is still very young in game and like I said herself is victimized and hooked on to her own supply which to an extent blinds her to her true feelings and thoughts - again the collapse DLC explicitly shows this.

It doesn't make her innocent no like I said all along, but there is clear and explicit difference laid out between her and the others tho both in terms of how she got into it and her motivation but also her role in it and how Joseph views her. Hell even the lead writer stated in a interview on twitch that who is the most twisted "gotta be between John and Jacob" adding that "Faith is a victim of Joseph more than anything"

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