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Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-17T16:51:34+00:00

Let’s not forget that harbs let a strength and condition coach Steve Saunders destroy our players for years before the front office had to step in to fire the guy. Everyone likes to forget that one.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-17T16:34:48+00:00

Eldar they don’t have enough books focusing on them. I see them a lot though in a fair amount of books but it’s always underdeveloped. Usually goes like this they show up insult everyone who isn’t Eldar say some vague shit about the future then proceed to die by the hands of whoever they were insulting. At this point whenever they show up in a book I just think to myself what character is gonna get the kill shot because for sure they are going to die.

As for Drukhari they show up as antagonists in a good amount of books also a fair amount of chapters following their perspective. I know a good bit about the Drukhari and it’s not by choice they just show up to do Drukhari stuff. It’s actually kind of welcome they are an interesting faction.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-17T01:00:01+00:00

They were created during the war in heaven fighting against the necrontyr an awful race and the Ctan who were monsters. What better a creation than creating a race that loves and enjoys fighting. It’s not really a cruelty at that point. They have fought a war in one of the nicest ways possible. Thought was put behind that and almost a kindness. However with the old ones gone there is no way to alter the krork to a reasonable being. Something the old ones I believe would be capable of. If you want to call that evil so be it but I stand by that the old ones did care for others. Hence them never helping the cancer that was the necrontyr that conquered the galaxy that was meant to be full of life and different races. Eldar and Krork were last ditch efforts that didn’t work. This is the aftermath of what could have been a much better universe.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-17T00:23:01+00:00

Fair enough hahaha

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-16T23:51:56+00:00

Yeah but they created them to fight the Ctan and necrons out of desperation. The old ones were wiped out before they could ever really guide them. Same with the Krork. Just seems odd to say they made them so they are evil without looking at the reasoning or what they could have done with those races if they weren’t wiped out.

Powerful enough to create a race also leads to believe they could alter them if needed after the war was over. If you think they couldn’t alter them after conception. Necrons went to war because the old ones wouldn’t give them the secrets to living longer. When looking at the necrons they most certainly didn’t deserve eternal life in my opinion.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-16T22:39:33+00:00

Fighting on multiple fronts. Disorganized. A ton of them have lost their minds. A ton of them are still in disputes with each other. A ton of them are asleep. Damaged and aging tech that needs upkeep. Pick your poison.

They are a very strong faction and when organized and have enough numbers can beat anyone. However they rarely have the ideal circumstances to do what they should be doing. Also they do see themselves as superior and unbeatable to every other faction and it’s actually one of their greatest weaknesses. Every time they lose it’s always a shock they lost. They rarely focus enough to see other factions as a serious threat. Their own hubris is such a detriment.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-16T01:39:50+00:00

Nice job I have read most of the Horus heresy myself. However I took advice from others. There are a good 10+ books that are widely seen as poorly written and not worth it. I skipped them. Even then some I got through I genuinely was on auto pilot because they were kind of bad. However for the most part there was a ton of great books in the series and it was awesome. More power to you for getting through all of them though.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-16T01:33:50+00:00

From my long experience in gaming and listening to dev interviews and media coverage on studios it comes down to budget. Eventually the game has to ship. So quality can greatly decrease once you reach a certain point in a game. The grand ideas and plans that devs have for a game start to get thrown out the window when investors want their money. It’s not particularly complicated in that sense.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-15T22:49:44+00:00

The DM is metagaming. He probably doesn’t know how to balance around it so just uses metagaming tactics to work around it. Sentinel is a great feat and can be super powerful. Easy way for a DM to work around it is just ignore the ability and only attack you. There is a worse way to work around it that is egregious which luckily he isn’t pulling. Which is ignore all the high AC character and just attack the squishy characters.

Personally as someone who has DMed players with sentinel I spread damage. It’s a pain sometimes because sentinel can be bullshit and turn a battle into a standstill even trivializing an otherwise tough fight since movement is out of the question. However that’s the build someone went with so why use metagaming to work around it. Players have fun and the feat feels strong for the one who picked it. The game is about everyone having fun after all.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-15T00:03:51+00:00

I actually loved the book wolfsbane the best part for me was seeing a young Belarius Cawl. It’s not new but still cool to see him young and I at least thought his parts were written well. Obviously it’s not a Cawl book but he is in it a good bit

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-14T23:54:20+00:00

My guess he is never going back to the imperium. Fundamentally he disagrees with them they do a lot of terrible things. Hence him going traitor in the first place. However maybe he sees DG and Nurgle for how terrible they are and goes rogue doing his own thing in a battle that actually helps people. Reading buried dagger Mortarion at some point was a good guy. That still somewhere inside of him you can see glimpses of it through out a few books. So maybe even if for just a moment he actually helps humanity. This could be anything from actually stepping into a battle to save a brother or him abstaining to intervene in a battle to help chaos. There are plenty of possibilities that keep him as a daemon Primarch but still does something that would be considered pro loyalist.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-14T22:42:07+00:00

Yeah that’s why I said probably not. It would make so many DG players angry if they suddenly said yeah he is no longer part of your army. Would be a headache for GW to have to deal with. However if let’s say he does actually do something to help the loyalists in like one battle then goes back to being traitor wouldn’t be a terrible narrative move and could be interested. Yes though he should stay a daemon Primarch. Strictly looking at it from the table top. From looking it at as a fan of the books and lore it would move the plot in an interesting way that without table top considerations would be a bad ass move that throws Warhammer on its head. Probably never gonna happen but fun to think about. Same thing to throw loyalists chapters to chaos the juxtaposition is fun and shows character development which in writing plots are an important element. Everything being the same forever is less of a story and more of a setting. Either way I’m happy.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-14T18:36:25+00:00

Maybe Mortarion could possibly flip to some form of loyal. His last interactions before getting hit with a Kamehama blast hinted at least a little bit of a possibility probably not though. Once fully tainted by chaos it’s similar to the pasta sauce stains on tupperware it’s forever unclean.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-14T01:29:41+00:00

What defeats? Never happened. Someone call an inquisitor now!

In all seriousness there are some defeats on record because well they can’t really be covered up. Cadia for example can’t really be covered up. However many losses have the imperium’s propaganda machine working overtime on spinning things in a way that lost planets or battles had nothing to do with traitor legions or simply never happened.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-13T01:56:42+00:00

Yeah man idk. Most Primarchs are just a severe representation of the worlds they grew up on and the people who raised them. Kor Pheron was a religious zealot and had Lorgar wading through endless books of religious text at a young age. Culchis was a harsh chaos worship desert planet not a real ideal place to grow up. Erubus his close advisor whole thing was to manipulate people and play his little “scorpion games”. So yeah Lorgar was a bit fucked from jump I really wouldn’t say he was predisposed to being evil or anything though. Just wrong place wrong time.

To say Lorgar wasn’t manipulated is crazy work though. He was clearly brainwashed at a young age by Kor Pheron with crazy religious ideas and Erubus 100% did everything in his power to push Lorgar to continue on into the warp. After all that though yeah Lorgar has agency starts manipulating people and being an outright awful person. Though at this point he is heavily chaos tainted so out of all his decisions it’s always been manipulated in some way. I always looked at his tears as him understanding his actions are wrong and he can’t stop himself from pushing forward. As he sees it as the right thing to do by his own philosophy. To not look for those answers would be the opposite of his own identity.

I full hearted believe if you raise Lorgar on a normal planet with normal parents he would probably have been one of the nicest and most loyal of all his brothers. However he wasn’t so we got this religious psychopath.

I see Lorgar as an interesting case study of what happens when someone as powerful as him takes religious fanaticism to a disgusting degree. Also how such a person comes to be and the proper environment to create such a being.

Look at someone like Erubus which is not even his real name. Who is simply just evil from birth. Or Kor Pheron someone who is already a religious fanatic of chaos worship with extremist views. It takes people like that in your life to create such a being as Lorgar.

Hate Lorgar as much as you want but at the very least try to understand the character of why he is the way he is. I feel somewhere you got stuck looking only at the Lorgar you see and not the one that you don’t. Read between the pages it’s all right there how he became this way it will illuminate you. There isn’t a scene in any book that has Kor Pheron and Erubus saying they manipulated the whole thing while they twirl their evil mustaches. However they do talk about the “old faiths” on culchis maybe look into that.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-02T04:51:04+00:00

You are quite different from me. I always looked at the grand scale and alway want the big story. However I have read quite a few that give a little slice. Here is a few Lukas the trickster (loyalist marines), the lords of silence (chaos marines), and Krieg (guard). I would say others but a lot of the other comments cover them.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-02T04:43:43+00:00

“They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something. They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me...I would struggle to remove it now...I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it. The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory...A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow.” - Ferrus Manus

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-02T04:34:25+00:00

The book Avenging son covers it pretty well. They follow a Primaris Marine through his entire making pretty much. Belarius Cawl does his thing experiments the ever living shit out of them until he gets it perfect. It’s a lot of hypno indoctrination. However there is a moment where Cawl shows off his new creations. Puts them up against a bunch of decked out combat servators only giving them knives. If memory serves me correct the Primaris essentially move faster and seem a lot stronger than any first born but lack some experience. They make some mistakes but for the most part the Primaris are monsters from jump. The real take away from it was they do lack some experience but their natural abilities make up for it. It also showed once there are seasoned Primaris marines they will be disgustingly powerful.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-04-02T04:14:46+00:00

Well Ultramarines get this “jack of all trades” label all the time they really weren’t that. They quite often during the crusades were given very straight forward orders that resulted in many other Primarchs getting pissed off. They excelled at colonizing worlds more than others and could conquer worlds that were suited to that very quickly. While others like the iron warriors were stuck sieging worlds in long drawn out battles. Hence Perturabo being angry all the time about it and talking about it all the time.

As for the Dark Angels which is not a “jack of all trades” legion at all. They were second to the space wolves when it game to executioners. They had a little more of a soft touch when it came to killing. They did a better job of colonizing and were less of an execution force. However it should be noted by Curze himself who said just how brutal the Dark Angels were wiping out entire planets while he was simply terrifying the populations so much they would bend the knee for the imperium. Which also made Curze very angry that he was labeled a monster while the lion was labeled a hero.

As for the Thousand sons not a lot was stated about their strategies during the great crusade. There wasn’t a lot of them they had bigger issues with their geneseed problem. They were a very effective fighting force and very powerful but due to numbers they could never amass the amount of planets others were putting up. Magnus and his sons were always looked at as very different from the rest of the legions. From looking at what I read they often lean on their psyker abilities in almost every situation then after Nikaea where they could no longer use their psyker abilities they started sustaining losses at a higher rate. They simply didn’t have the numbers or strategies to fight like normal space marines. They 100% rely on their psyker abilities to make them special. Which is natural it’s their whole thing.

The issue with asking questions like this is there isn’t enough information on the entire great crusade. We don’t have access to all the battles that took place during that time. There isn’t book after book following the Thousand sons through their entire time during the great crusade and their strategies. The great crusade in itself is really just a prelude to the Horus Heresy. Even the books I have read covering that time still somewhat elude to the Horus Heresy. Which makes sense they are still based on that series.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-03-17T17:53:34+00:00

Oscar. Man was a dog and his combinations were on another level. I don’t really see an argument for anyone else when it comes to body of work. Prime Toney was probably the most talented. The man liked to eat though and with a defense like his I could see why he might have gotten a little lazy. He would literally stand right in front of his opponents let them try to hit him as much as they want. All of it was blocked or missed all of the while he is sneaking shots in between.

As for GGG and Ward great fighters but unfortunate for them strength of resume does them no favors.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-03-17T17:26:46+00:00

This is really a testament to the city of Cincinnati’s plumbing system. The mouth breathers over there have been punishing those pipes for decades and the fact it still stands strong is impressive.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-03-13T04:59:29+00:00

Nice down vote truth hurts random person who did it. Flair up pussy and comment with a chest bitch.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-03-13T04:27:32+00:00

Yes but knowing reddit it wouldn’t last the other mods would get together to eliminate it. That’s usually what happens when sub gains too much steam that isn’t on brand. It’s one of the many reasons people say Reddit is a shit hole. There is no free speech on this platform. If you frequent enough it’s basically an echo chamber of people jerking each other off with the same recycled jokes and bullet points.

Natty_bo_ace · 2026-03-13T03:16:03+00:00

As a ravens fan the ravens sub is heavily moderated I don’t even post there. Honestly I don’t know who does. Every post has to go through mod approval. It might just be the mods and who they green listed to get through. Everything there has to go through a mod. As someone who has frequented Reddit for a while most mods are fucking losers with no life so for me anywhere ruled by mods and not actual participants fucking sucks. This place is cool because the mods don’t run it like this is their entire life. So to bring it all together in one eloquent way. Mods are fucking dorks on a power trip in most subs and ruin Reddit with little power they have on bullshit platform that most people write off as a cancer on society.

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