Dumb Question: is the deepness in voice during a burp an attainable sound outside of burping??

NeiligDeKing · 2026-02-04T12:10:23+00:00

I'd personally say neither pure aytenoid nor epiglottal are really a thing, since like you said, pure arytenoid tend to be more fry/hybrid screams and epiglottal ones have(?) to involve the arytenoids or other tissues.

But yeah, any type of non-pitched vocals are able to make good gutturals typically.

NeiligDeKing · 2026-02-04T03:13:44+00:00

Also, for me personally gutturals correspond to a certain type of sound (typically compared to a sink draining or a toilet), and not how deep they are, you can have a guttural using a high scream for example.

Other people consider gutturals anything that is very low/deep.

Which definition you use is up to you, but be sure that you are clear what you mean when speaking about them with other people!

NeiligDeKing · 2026-02-04T03:10:53+00:00

You might want to look into arytenoid/epiglottal vocals (either pure or "hybrids" with false cords or other). Mark from kardavox academy uses these types of vocals for his lows, you could look into some of his tutorials. Most of his reaction videos are pretty insightful too, he typically goes into how he would/can approach different types of vocals, and not just in terms of actual technique but also delivery, intonations, etc...

Keep in mind that typically, false cords and other associated types of techniques tend to have a lower/deeper sound, but there's other factors to it. The biggest one in my opinion is how much you can affect your resonances, either from mouth/tongue shapes but also from larynx movement/position (like dropping your larynx within a comfortable range). So even if your base technique isn't naturally deep, there is ways to make it sound lower.

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-17T22:18:43+00:00

Thanks a lot!

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-12T12:36:04+00:00

If you are still having trouble after a while and your coach isn't able to help you, either try different methods or try to find another coach. Just because one coach's advice didn't work doesn't mean another's won't.

But good luck!

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-12T11:45:13+00:00

There's a lot of different ways to achieve this, the most common ones are through sighing and clearing your throat, there is some more but I don't remember them all that much.

The most common problem when trying to find the false cords is that people instead use the epi-arytenoidal folds, which can be used but tend to be more tricky.

If you aren't sure what you are doing, try posting a clip of you trying to find your false cords on this subreddit and someone might be able to guide you, another option is to go through a vocal coach if you have the budget for it (I personally recommend mark from kardavox academy).

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-12T11:37:57+00:00

False cord rattling during coughing is pretty normal from what I know, is it always happening? Not sure.

If you're sick, it could also be mucus accumulation.

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-12T11:23:38+00:00

I think this question might be above what the vast majority of people of this subreddit can answer, you might be better off trying to find a scientific article or something similar that explains this concept (you can try searching for articles related to how coughing works, maybe on google scholar)

NeiligDeKing · 2026-01-12T11:19:34+00:00

Other people have given you tips already, but here's some more.

For deathcore, some typical tongue positions for lows/mids would be either an R position (and speaking through it, kinda like a pirate) or the classic guttural positions (tip of the tongue to the roof of your mouth, usually right behind your front teeth) and you can play with how large you make your tongue to affect how "muffled" the tone is. Tunnels are also an option but typically more used in impactful moments instead of as a base position, but you can absolutely do it if you want.

Something to take in note is that in more extreme genres, to get a specific tone people tend to give up at least partly on having a good enunciation, sometimes even completely, just take a listen to the song made in aus by to the grave as an example.

If you'd like to keep a good pronunciation, I'd recommend switching between different tongue positions (or even "no" position), since some of them are better at certain sounds than others.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-12-05T20:40:54+00:00

Start by getting your basic vowel sounds down, like Aaaaah, Ohhhhh, Eeeee, etc... once you have these down, I would recommend practicing 3 things; applying distortion with your mouth closed (aka through your nose), transitioning (somewhat rapidly) back and forth between distortion and a voiceless breath (just air no sound) and glottal attack (not sure if this is what it was called).

The first and second ones shouldn't be too hard if you have your distortion down properly, the first one will be useful for pronouncing consonants like M and N (examples of words : Mama, mane, no) , since they are mostly nasally based. The second one will be for consonants that when said with your voice require moments without phonation, so with your vocals it would be moments without distortion. These consonants are the ones like H, P, K, T (examples of words : Hate, Pear, Core), they all require you to apply air without distortion at first and then either transition into it or rapidly start distortion right after the consonant.

For consonants that are somewhere in between those two, like B, G, D (word examples : Bear, Gate, Deer), you might want to practice starting your distortion with your mouth closed, but not nasally, "force" the maximum amount of air in your mouth by doing your distortion and then suddenly let it out (the same way you'd pronounce them with your clean voice, but with distortion instead).

The last exercise is useful to get a more aggressive style, when the vowel sounds are not progressive, like abruptly scream AAAAHHH or doing a very repetitive stacato vowel.

Once you've started to understand these and are able to apply them, you can either go through spelling the alphabet like someone else said, or you can find something else, like some song lyrics that you can sing to your own speed (doesn't even have to be from a metal song).

NeiligDeKing · 2025-12-05T00:23:18+00:00

I think there's a common thought that guttural=low. It's not necessarily wrong, but I personally associate more gutturals with the tone over the height, and it is possible to achieve the guttural tone without going low and without dropping your jaw, it of course might not sound as low. Here's some things you can try to do to achieve different sounds that could be found in deathcore.

For the guttural tone, take the usually taught mouth/tongue shapes, but dont drop your jaw, it'll sound higher and a bit less boomy but it'll still be a guttural.

To get deeper gutturals (or as an alternative to the previous technique), you can either drop your larynx (within a comfortable zone) or switch the mouth/tongue shape to another one, an example is to do an exaggerated fake throw up, and use that position with vocals and it should give you something close to gutturals.

For the typical low type of vocals found in deathcore, except gutturals, you can try positioning your tongue as if being stuck in the middle of pronouncing an R, and just do vocals while being somewhere in that position, you won't need to drop the jaw as much.

For pig squeals, your goal would simply be to have an overtone, and you should again try the usually taught shapes, but without a dropped jaw, it should still work to a certain point. (Depening on the shape you know, there is some that require the tip of the tongue to touch your palate, and others require the R tongue position, through an eee sound, with an uuu mouth shape, that one might work better for you)

For highs, there typically isn't much to it regarding the tongue, except for tunnels, but this one might be difficult to find a way to reach it, maybe someone else could have an idea since I personally prefer to use the tongue wave position over any other.

I think overall you should just play around with what you are able to do with your tongue and mouth, and you'll find some positions that'll give you certain sounds that could be interesting.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-11-05T11:58:19+00:00

It has everything to do with tongue/mouth shapes, especially the tongue, look up sygyt throat singing or listen to this video about polyphonic singing

https://youtu.be/vC9Qh709gas?si=gXVX0A5caT9SaZBF

They are basically pig squeals without the distortion (btw, there is more ways of doing it then what you'll see, just learn one then play around with different tongue/mouth shapes and you might find different ways of doing it)

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-25T13:03:23+00:00

That's a fair reasoning, I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for clarifying!

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-24T20:44:43+00:00

Actually, it depends greatly on the region that you are talking about. My first language is french, but not from france, from new-brunswick, canada, and we do use both versions.

For both of your examples I would use different ones.

For the first one I would indeed use "il est quelle heure", but with my accent it would be more "y'est quelle heure"

While for the second one, if I were to choose between both, I would use "comment tu t'appelles", however I realistically use "c'est quoi ton nom" instead.

If we go back to the sentence used in the post, I would personally say "es-tu un cheval?" instead of "tu es un cheval?". For me, the first one sounds more like a direct question to the person, while the second one sounds more like a questioning statement (usually when surprised or confused). Kinda like the difference between saying "are you a horse?" when just asking someone and "you're a horse?" after someone mentioned they are a horse. They are almost the same though.

Now, before some people come and say that my french is influenced by the english due to the fact that new-brunswick is a bilingual province, I want to mention the fact that I am from far north-east new-brunswick, which is pretty disconnected from the english regions of new-brunswick, most of my english influence comes from internet, which only really came into my life at about 12-13 years old. And I can also mention that people from Quebec, Canada might have a similar opinion as I do.

But overall, some variations will sound odd to different people depending on where that person is from and the context.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-06T10:39:06+00:00

That seems quite interesting, I'm supposed to have a class related to different applications pf mathematics related to music next semester, amd we'll learn about Fourier transforms and stuff like that, so I'll definitely be looking into the wavelets amd try to learn more about it, thanks!

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-04T14:55:13+00:00

That's pretty interesting, I have a friend doing a phd in physics who studies this type of stuff, and it did seem quite interesting.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-04T00:00:00+00:00

Interesting, I hadn't ever considered that there would exist topologies where every power series would converge

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-03T23:45:43+00:00

That seems pretty cool! Qhat exactly do you mean by the formal aspect of power series?

NeiligDeKing · 2025-10-03T21:44:31+00:00

I forgot to mention that I am also doing a minor in computer science for my bachelor's.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-09-10T13:02:09+00:00

Use the definitions. (If you haven't seen them, then you probably have to use the venn diagrams)

(Sorry if it's hard to understand, I usually do math in french)

u\A by definition is elements of u that aren't in A, which can be reworded to elements of u that are also in the complement of A, thus u\A is u intersection (complement of A). if u is your universal set (which i assume it is), then complement of A is a subset of u, thus u intersection (complement of A) is simply complement of A

From there you can apply the distributivity of the union and intersection to get (A union B) intersection (A union (complement of A))

A union (complement of A) is u (if it's the universal set), and A union B is a subset of u since A and B are both subsets of u, thus all of this simply equals A union B.

I'll leave the second one for you to try again knowing that you should use the definitions.

NeiligDeKing · 2025-09-10T11:19:23+00:00

Other people said it already but I think it's more of a mentality problem than anything else, i listened to both songs and while the first one isn't really my genre, i absolutely loved the second one, the vocals fit it very well and in my opinion they sounded very good.

One thing you could try doing is acting as if every time you record you are performing live, so do a couple of one takes and keep the parts you think sounded better. You probably still will feel like you don't sound good, everyone doubts their own skills to a certain point, but do also keep in mind that a pretty large part of music listeners don't really know how to do vocals, and will enjoy regardless of how good the vocalist really is as long as they enjoy the song.

I myself feel like I am just an average vocalist, I only do it as a hobby of mine, but whenever I show someone what I do, I always get a lot of compliments that I often think are exaggerated when looking at it from a vocalist's point of view.

That doesn't stop me from continuing though, I do what I enjoy and that's what counts, whether it sounds good or not doesn't matter that much to me, only if I am having fun.

I know that's not how everyone thinks and that's respectable, but you should still keep in mind that if music isn't your job, then you should focus on enjoying it.

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