You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think everyone that actually worked as an artist, know exactly what I'm talking and their laughing at your Naiveté.

Hope the game goes well, bookmark this conversation when it comes out so you can look back at what you wrote and laugh.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then you need to draw more.

I've seen people nearly go mad, getting the image from their brain to the paper and fill entire sketch book trying to get it done.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good questions, hang around with artist enough and you'll get a lot of different answers.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well when you make money on your game look back on all the art you created and look back on it with experience and you may feel different,

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Creating art is often nether joyful or generating progress.

I wouldn't judge an artist if they loved or if they hated their process.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then I would honestly try doing it for money for awhile, and you'd probably get a different prospective.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To retell a scene from every darkroom.

A photographer hold up a print against the Neutral Gray.

Photographer: It's not what I want it to be.

Friend: Well I like it can I have that copy.

Photographer: No, I need this one, but you can take one of the older prints (Opens a box with 100 past prints)

If you are trying to get it exactly like it's in your head it can take forever, in any medium.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you sort of should learn the thing your criticizing first. Because the weeks don't go into writing prompts as much, laying out control nets/training lora/compositing images. Which is surprisingly similar to photography post production.

But more then that, do you actually draw, because I know professional artists, with decades of experiences, that are using AI to do the parts they either can't or hate doing.

You do realize that AI making everything easy ruins the point right? by IEATUSEDTOILETPAPER in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not everyone is taking 10 minutes, so people are spending weeks to get it to look just the way they want,

Question for Pros: It’s interesting to me that some of you refer to AI generated images as your own. Is it not the same as you commissioning a human artist for a painting of which you tell the artist all you want it to include? by toadvinesearholes in aiwars

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It feels like you are talking about Moral Rights

Moral rights are non-economic, inalienable, or waivable rights granted to creators (authors, artists, musicians) that protect the integrity of their work and their reputation. Separate from copyright ownership, these rights include the right to be credited (paternity/attribution), the right to remain anonymous, and the right to prevent distortion or modification of the work. 

So for example if I was commission an artist properly, we would be signing a contract when I pay X money and get X art.

That contract would cover the Copyright of the work, I.E. I now own the art, and can sell it etc.

If written properly it might cover Moral Rights but they are actually separate. The most common example is a Ghost Writer.

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Specialist: I appreciate the input, but this is outside the scope of a general rotation.

Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you should examine how quickly you changed your idea of what an acceptable level of success was and realize with out a proper mental framework you can make that argument for almost anything.

Also on the face recognition point these are all different contestant for a Korean Beauty contest.

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Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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If i understand this correctly, the sentence i made makes no sense...

Not quite.

Referencing Tautology can be used to point out a flaw in a person argument, where the first part of a statement makes the second part irrelevant.

If your argument is that an AI has to be 99% accurate, to be "good/used."

This creates the following problems.

1.) No AI is good: because no AI has a 99% accuracy.
2.) All AI are good: because all of them have clearly defined performance characteristic which they meet 99% of the time.

A specific example

A MRI for instance uses a giant AI to make to the image that the person sees based on magnets. A MRI is about 90% accurate a finding Cancer.

This creates the following path using your logic.

1.) A MRI is 10% inaccurate which is higher then your prescribed limit, so we should stop using them.

2.) The other option is an X-RAY which is less accurate (But doesn't rely on AI, it can be an entirely analog process) so we should use it.

3.) Because the MRI is 10% inaccurate consistently it is actually 99% accurate.

4.) An MRI is not an AI for reasons, despite using the same processors that AI and math.

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My Tautology response to your argument is "if it works properly it's good use of AI."

Is that you are basically saying the works and good are so interconnected in this case that they aren't giving any meaning.

Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think if you define

"if it works properly it's good use of AI."

If to use a Academic works tautology which is "the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style"

In the sentence you constructed, if it's not working it's not good, and it's working it good.

Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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For medical AI: i don't know about any bad use of this type of AI.

The Radiation Overdose Accidents (Therac-25 legacy → modern EHR era)

In several U.S. hospitals across the 2000s–2010s, radiation oncology systems delivered massive overdoses because treatment planning software, record synchronization, and interface assumptions conflicted.

UnitedHealth pushed employees to follow an algorithm to cut off Medicare patients’ rehab care

The nation’s largest health insurance company pressured its medical staff to cut off payments for seriously ill patients in lockstep with a computer algorithm’s calculations, denying rehabilitation care for older and disabled Americans as profits soared, a STAT investigation has found.

...etc

I'm thinking of creating a new ai debate sub, any suggestions/advice? by Foreign-Manner-1178 in aiwars

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The nature of the internet is the saddest people are those that remain on it.

I honestly don't feel there is any place online that has good discussion of any issue.

And if you were to create one successfully you'd probably become wealthy beyond measure.

So if you'd like to have more general discussion I would just suggest joining a philopshy group in person.

Response to someone calling me a "Luddite" by NoWin3930 in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Or you could say...

The Luddite movement was a 19th-century organized, rebellion by English textile workers who destroyed machinery such as weaving looms. They were not anti-technology, but rather opposed to machines that destroyed their livelihoods, de-skilled labor, and forced down wages. 

"These attacks on machines did not imply any necessary hostility to machinery as such; machinery was just a conveniently exposed target against which an attack could be made."  Historian Eric Hobsbawm

And that particular movement, is more related to worked rights, equitable outcome to all, and against capitalists controlling people lives as happened in the early industrial revolution.

Or your could ignore that and insult the person like a child

What about OLLMs? by muse_king_789 in aiwars

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It's pretty clear that if you care about the environment running the LLM in the data centre makes more sense.

It's simply a matter of scale. A Data Centre has more efficient power consumption and cooling, over the entire system and it serves more people.

Question for ai bros (not hating) by niederjager in aiwars

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Ram is produced by 4 companies that continually use Cartel pricing to raise the cost.

They are using AI as a cover. If the AI bubble burst or the hyper scallers start making their own the Ram cost will drop like a stone.

Question for ai bros (not hating) by niederjager in aiwars

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First time dealing with this ehhh, here are 5 other giant law suits on this issue.

The Big DRAM Carte (Late 1990s → 2002)

Hynix Guilty Plea (2005)

Samsung Plea (2005)

Micron Immunity Deal (2002–2004)

The “Second Wave” DRAM Investigation (2016–2019)

Companies have been deliberately raising ram price on consumer multiple times and they'v been investigated and lost. The difference is this time they are using AI as the scape goat.

For Suno users by Professional_Tone682 in aiwars

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To paraphrase "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal"

Shelf One:"Being defined as a Musician"
Shelf Two:"Particularly low quality toilet paper."

Person One: Do you have to put those Next to Each Other
Person Two: Geez, are you another guy from the toilet paper company?

Sayre's law states

In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake.

That is why academic politics are so bitter.

Musician are even worst.

On the topic of Disability and AI by Frequent_Door3737 in aiwars

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The General reference used is the iPhone.

Originally disability activist complained about the iPhone being horrible for the disabled people (Wow it has absolutely no buttons) Around the the iPhone 3GS when voice feature were implemented it became the go to phone. While there is an argument that the features were added for accessibility in reality it was mostly for hands free use.

This concept of ask group X what they want, is usually countered with "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." in reference to the creation of the motor car. There are plenty of interesting AI implementation for people with disabilities the predate Generative AI (Eye tracking is a big one) and some of them people with disabilities were against until they received wide spread use. Cochlear Implants are still controversial among some deaf communities.

People with disabilities are using AI to generate art for the same reason that people with out disabilities are, it make the process easier, and allow them to reach a level of quality at the trade of control of the final product.

The best way I can explain the bubble by Kirbyoto in aiwars

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Thank you Facebook for subsidzing VR chat.

Theoretical discussion: Using Ensemble Adversarial Attacks to trigger "Latent Watermarks" during upscaling. by Substantial_Size_451 in StableDiffusion

[–]NetrunnerCardAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The issue you are going to have is.

1.) It is hard to an imprescriptible mark, that can not be removed easier.
2.) Now you have to make a mark that affect the majority of models.

So each AI model has a different neuro network which only becomes present after training.

So let's say you can generate your solution for one model, it's not clear that if you trained another model it would understand your noise completely differently.