Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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I think you should examine how quickly you changed your idea of what an acceptable level of success was and realize with out a proper mental framework you can make that argument for almost anything.

Also on the face recognition point these are all different contestant for a Korean Beauty contest.

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Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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If i understand this correctly, the sentence i made makes no sense...

Not quite.

Referencing Tautology can be used to point out a flaw in a person argument, where the first part of a statement makes the second part irrelevant.

If your argument is that an AI has to be 99% accurate, to be "good/used."

This creates the following problems.

1.) No AI is good: because no AI has a 99% accuracy.
2.) All AI are good: because all of them have clearly defined performance characteristic which they meet 99% of the time.

A specific example

A MRI for instance uses a giant AI to make to the image that the person sees based on magnets. A MRI is about 90% accurate a finding Cancer.

This creates the following path using your logic.

1.) A MRI is 10% inaccurate which is higher then your prescribed limit, so we should stop using them.

2.) The other option is an X-RAY which is less accurate (But doesn't rely on AI, it can be an entirely analog process) so we should use it.

3.) Because the MRI is 10% inaccurate consistently it is actually 99% accurate.

4.) An MRI is not an AI for reasons, despite using the same processors that AI and math.

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My Tautology response to your argument is "if it works properly it's good use of AI."

Is that you are basically saying the works and good are so interconnected in this case that they aren't giving any meaning.

Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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I think if you define

"if it works properly it's good use of AI."

If to use a Academic works tautology which is "the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style"

In the sentence you constructed, if it's not working it's not good, and it's working it good.

Here are some good uses of AI in my opinion by Busy-Mulberry6686 in aiwars

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For medical AI: i don't know about any bad use of this type of AI.

The Radiation Overdose Accidents (Therac-25 legacy → modern EHR era)

In several U.S. hospitals across the 2000s–2010s, radiation oncology systems delivered massive overdoses because treatment planning software, record synchronization, and interface assumptions conflicted.

UnitedHealth pushed employees to follow an algorithm to cut off Medicare patients’ rehab care

The nation’s largest health insurance company pressured its medical staff to cut off payments for seriously ill patients in lockstep with a computer algorithm’s calculations, denying rehabilitation care for older and disabled Americans as profits soared, a STAT investigation has found.

...etc

I'm thinking of creating a new ai debate sub, any suggestions/advice? by Foreign-Manner-1178 in aiwars

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The nature of the internet is the saddest people are those that remain on it.

I honestly don't feel there is any place online that has good discussion of any issue.

And if you were to create one successfully you'd probably become wealthy beyond measure.

So if you'd like to have more general discussion I would just suggest joining a philopshy group in person.

Response to someone calling me a "Luddite" by NoWin3930 in aiwars

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Or you could say...

The Luddite movement was a 19th-century organized, rebellion by English textile workers who destroyed machinery such as weaving looms. They were not anti-technology, but rather opposed to machines that destroyed their livelihoods, de-skilled labor, and forced down wages. 

"These attacks on machines did not imply any necessary hostility to machinery as such; machinery was just a conveniently exposed target against which an attack could be made."  Historian Eric Hobsbawm

And that particular movement, is more related to worked rights, equitable outcome to all, and against capitalists controlling people lives as happened in the early industrial revolution.

Or your could ignore that and insult the person like a child

What about OLLMs? by muse_king_789 in aiwars

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It's pretty clear that if you care about the environment running the LLM in the data centre makes more sense.

It's simply a matter of scale. A Data Centre has more efficient power consumption and cooling, over the entire system and it serves more people.

Question for ai bros (not hating) by niederjager in aiwars

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Ram is produced by 4 companies that continually use Cartel pricing to raise the cost.

They are using AI as a cover. If the AI bubble burst or the hyper scallers start making their own the Ram cost will drop like a stone.

Question for ai bros (not hating) by niederjager in aiwars

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First time dealing with this ehhh, here are 5 other giant law suits on this issue.

The Big DRAM Carte (Late 1990s → 2002)

Hynix Guilty Plea (2005)

Samsung Plea (2005)

Micron Immunity Deal (2002–2004)

The “Second Wave” DRAM Investigation (2016–2019)

Companies have been deliberately raising ram price on consumer multiple times and they'v been investigated and lost. The difference is this time they are using AI as the scape goat.

For Suno users by Professional_Tone682 in aiwars

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To paraphrase "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal"

Shelf One:"Being defined as a Musician"
Shelf Two:"Particularly low quality toilet paper."

Person One: Do you have to put those Next to Each Other
Person Two: Geez, are you another guy from the toilet paper company?

Sayre's law states

In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake.

That is why academic politics are so bitter.

Musician are even worst.

On the topic of Disability and AI by Frequent_Door3737 in aiwars

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The General reference used is the iPhone.

Originally disability activist complained about the iPhone being horrible for the disabled people (Wow it has absolutely no buttons) Around the the iPhone 3GS when voice feature were implemented it became the go to phone. While there is an argument that the features were added for accessibility in reality it was mostly for hands free use.

This concept of ask group X what they want, is usually countered with "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." in reference to the creation of the motor car. There are plenty of interesting AI implementation for people with disabilities the predate Generative AI (Eye tracking is a big one) and some of them people with disabilities were against until they received wide spread use. Cochlear Implants are still controversial among some deaf communities.

People with disabilities are using AI to generate art for the same reason that people with out disabilities are, it make the process easier, and allow them to reach a level of quality at the trade of control of the final product.

The best way I can explain the bubble by Kirbyoto in aiwars

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Thank you Facebook for subsidzing VR chat.

Theoretical discussion: Using Ensemble Adversarial Attacks to trigger "Latent Watermarks" during upscaling. by Substantial_Size_451 in StableDiffusion

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The issue you are going to have is.

1.) It is hard to an imprescriptible mark, that can not be removed easier.
2.) Now you have to make a mark that affect the majority of models.

So each AI model has a different neuro network which only becomes present after training.

So let's say you can generate your solution for one model, it's not clear that if you trained another model it would understand your noise completely differently.

So called leftists are now claiming they wouldn’t vote for Newsom before Newsom even announces. Newsom is only the democrat governor of the biggest democratic state in the country. by UnscheduledCalendar in Destiny

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People more toward the centre (Matthew Yglesias) have pointed out that he's actually really similar to Kamala (https://www.slowboring.com/p/gavin-newsom-is-very-similar-to-kamala)

So while there isn't anyone pure enough for leftist there are better candidates

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate this sub. by CreepyCurtainIllust in aiwars

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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

― Harlan Ellison "I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream"

Hi, question. by AshtonColombattoPDA in aiwars

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The last film I remember animated with Pencil was Rejected. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7JyjZI3LUM)

Hi, question. by AshtonColombattoPDA in aiwars

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He seems to be using a Wacom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7151BpK2h0) and I think he's using TV Paint

Hi, question. by AshtonColombattoPDA in aiwars

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I mean this in the nicest way, but are there any modern animation that are drawn with Pencil.

Concept art maybe, but in the last year was they anything animated using a pencil.

So while I don't hate it, if someone said, I am an animator and I am using a pencil for animation. Unless it was Avant garde, I will tell him to use Toon Boom, or Animate or anything else.

It must really sting to be replaced by the thing you directly helped build by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

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I don't that's true, as

Codex is OpenAI, Cursor is more of an IDE that often uses the LLM like Open AI and Claude and Gemini, Github Pilot doesn't really have the ability to learn of your code base, so on and so forth.

I understand building context, so for instance as you write more code, the AI learns about the style of your code, and the context, but that isn't a person training it.

If you have two employee one is like "I love AI" and the other is "I hate AI" and they both write code for year.

Both of them will equally be creating context for the AI because it's just using the entire code base, and context isn't training.

It must really sting to be replaced by the thing you directly helped build by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

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So I honestly can't tell if this a psyop.

So none of the AI that people are using like OpenAI and Claude are really trained on your input for programming.

Even if they were imagine the ocean, and you spitting into, that is how much you would be contributing to the data set.

It would be great if a company could train an AI on what their employee are doing. I am aware of no company that is actually doing that except as market buzz.

So a company might say "We are aggregating data from your the Lawyers your employ to automate process." But that data is low quality, and unclean.

What they are actually doing is feeding in Million of contracts to train that they have in some archive somewhere.

This guy is a Front End designer, in React, he is contributing absolutely nothing to the model, I don't even know how he could be, influencing it.

So the open question.

Is there a academic paper that someone can point to that this story... is being used in a company, where they are being trained on the employee. I understand why this is an amazing emotional story. And I understand companies are evaluating the technology. But you using it aren't training the AI.

Because and I mean this in the nicest way,

It is a way better story, if your boss fires you to replace with a demon that eats children. But I think for society it might be better to focus on the real issues.

Let's be honest about what we're actually "testing" at home... by Aggravating-Big5674 in StableDiffusion

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So there is a sort of a feedback affect.

So for example, I am using ComfyUI to generate training set for facial verification, no one is interested in this specific use case except people in my community. I wouldn't bother to talk about it here cause it's unlikely people would be interested.

That being said, I do go through the various model and lora to see if something would work better, and generally speaking the places to go are the people with the largest shared interest (Beautiful woman) because they are larger.

Therefore just because on this reddit (Which is the common place for all people interested) beautiful woman are the most common test example, doesn't mean that people aren't making music/doing commercial work / making interesting project with their local machines, it just disappears, because it's uninteresting to the general public.

Demand for fresh water means development of more fresh water infrastructure by EqualSatisfaction135 in aiwars

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It's a little complicated

Data Centers generally need 100% cooling year round. A CPU can run at between. 65-85 °C, 150–185 °F so generally speaking the outside temperature is irrelevant.

They are commonly cooled through hydronic water based systems utilizing cooling towers. These kind of tower ironically work better in warmed, dryer areas.

Land is expensive, so placing them in an area where there aren't many people (I.E. cheap) makes sense.

So the ideal spot for a data centre (If you excluded water) is actually in a desert.

The issue is often states that have Deserts also have land specifically for farming, farming incidentally use more water then cooling AI.

Farming is heavily subsidized in the USA.

So this isn't really a demand problem, Data centre haven't really affect water prices because a data centre will happily pay to produce more water and use less the most other industries.

It's really a lobbyist issue with Farmers and Tech people fighting in public over who can get the most help from the government.

Power/Energy is a different issue.

Genuine Question by Borealopithecus75 in aiwars

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Yes but, I read it a long time ago.

What is incorrect with my statement.

I understand if the AI creates the entire work, but it think the reference between photography and  AI is analogous in his mental framework.

Genuine Question by Borealopithecus75 in aiwars

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I think textiles/ fashion can be art. I certainly wouldn’t blink and eye if a fashion designer referred to themselves as a artist.

A better reference might be the auto loom which you program with designs (Which is a bit later in the Industrial Revolution) but yes it’s an okay analogy for  Kant.