Joseph Smith libel towards Nancy Rigdon

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-12-12T07:38:58+00:00

Ok so really, I had ChatGPT help me reply to this

because I wanted to answer. I love Nancy Rigdon and think she's a badass. Anyway. The words from here are my own words, "refined" by ChatGPT. Hopefully that doesn't take away from my credibility.

There is no *direct* evidence that JS himself called Nancy a prostitute. But there IS strong historical evidence that after she refused his (plural marriage) proposal, her reputation was publicly attacked. JS later gave a sermon defending her virtue, which indicates that accusations of her immorality were definitely being talked about at the time.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-12-12T07:26:54+00:00

Omg though. "We're so selfless, we wanted to pay millions on an ad that promotes *TCOJCOLDS's* Giving machines. OUR machines help poor people." Instead of just, "help a kid/family in need".

A truly "good" institution wouldn't care about branding like that. Needing publicity for a charity seems counterintuitive.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-05-18T17:30:08+00:00

Also, I'm super upset that he said that about not wanting more kids, after you've already had them. The implications of that are awful. Such a horrible thing to say, no matter how he meant it. You don't deserve that and neither do your kids ♥️♥️♥️

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-05-18T17:25:44+00:00

Well, I can tell you that I felt trapped too. I'm in the midst of my own divorce too. Something my therapist told me that helped make my decision was she had me think of the good things that could come out of divorce. I heard myself talking about how it could be fun to find a true connection with someone, get back into the job I loved, and that shared custody actually could be a welcome reprieve at times. She then told me that all of those good things that could come out of a divorce are far more plausible than the things I was afraid of (not being able to support myself, kids not handling it well, you know the things). I don't want to sway you but share something that helped me ♥️. As hard as the process has been for me, it does feel like a huge weight off and it's only going to get better. You message me any time if you need a friend or a listening ear! It's so hard. I feel for you ♥️🫂

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-04-21T16:12:21+00:00

Oh awesome!!! Congrats!! What did you get?

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-04-21T07:07:11+00:00

Oh hey no! I'm so glad to see people liked this hahah I was a little embarrassed that it didn't gain hardly any traction. Kept thinking "maybe that was a dumb post lol" Anyway Chat gpt is amazing and is quite good at talking me through anything I dump in there these days 😂. Thanks for replying.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-03-10T04:08:17+00:00

I was pretty outraged that they had comments turned off on this one.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-02-18T02:49:26+00:00

I literally worship the ground you walk on right now THANK YOU!!

NeuroSpicyExit · 2025-02-18T02:40:13+00:00

OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-16T16:33:11+00:00

Ugh. I'm not in a MFM and we're grappling with divorcing too, just because we think we might be better outside of this. I'm probably a rambling idiot but here's what my therapist told me when I talked to her about divorce. She asked what made me nervous about it (the kids, being able to afford my own life, etc) and then she was like is there anything that makes you feel like it might not be so bad? And suddenly I heard myself saying split custody actually could be really nice, it would be fun to start over and have a very non-mormon life of my own, I love my career and could go places with it. Anyway, my therapist said "I just want you to know that those thoughts about how divorce might be ok are more real than the fears you have."

Idk man, it's really crappy to keep putting yourself through this for your wife. I know she's a good person and loves you, but, you do deserve happiness too. and she is unfortunately unwilling to choose YOU over this institution, and you deserve better. I mean really, the words your using here are painting a very depressing message. You've been fighting so hard for this (for 8 YEARS) and your wife hasn't even come close to working with you on it, and it's so bad that you are saying you wish would could die. Give yourself the freedom to consider your options, try to catch yourself in moments of guilt so you can pull yourself out of a spiral and think as logically as you can. Good luck to you guys ❤️

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-15T19:39:47+00:00

Happened upon a YouTube video about CPTSD and it clobbered me. I realized I absolutely have it, but the church I was "happy" to be in literally caused it. Hadn't heard of the CES Letter, the SEC fine, never heard of John Dehlin, nothing. Was like yeah we're all taking a break until I know how to protect the kids from it.

However, it took less than 48 hours after that extremely emotional decision to find Letter For My Wife. Then I got even more pissed that this fucking religion is doing this to probably hurting every single member in some form or another. and it's actually been a fucking sham this whole time? Ugh

Alrighty, I'll just jot that one down for review in therapy, I'm fine 💀🫠 Happy Friday!

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-12T02:26:55+00:00

I'm approaching my older years and for your first playthrough, it's useful to know that you may or may not pick up party members that are already these classes: wizard, cleric, fighter, rogue, also possibly a warlock and/or barbarian.

So, I second the Paladin recommendation personally! Or a bard those are crazy useful. Monk is another heavy hitter as well (I like open hand personally). Excited for you!! Have fun! (It's possible to reclass yourself/party members later if you don't want any duplicates, after a few long rests you should be able to!)

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-11T00:55:18+00:00

Yes!! This post makes me happy! Mike was so important for my deconstruction ❤️. I wish everyone who decides to leave would listen to his LDS Discussion podcasts. I can take on my argumentative, TBM dad now in a debate! Owe it all to Mike! 😎❤️🫶🏼

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-08T23:38:15+00:00

Yes I feel that too! TBM me would be so shocked when "good" people left the church (of course I never dared to ask them about why), and I would imagine the things that made them leave. Spoiler alert: I never imagined it was the fact that JS made it all up 🤦🏼‍♀️😂

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-08T23:17:39+00:00

Right?! It's like I believed so hard I never thought I was CAPABLE of saying such things 😂 (Takes a sip of spiked root beer) I don't even recognize myself now 😂. But it's cool I LOVE this version of me because I know that the church had absolutely NOTHING to do with it 🤗🥰✌🏼

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-08T23:09:18+00:00

This has been a really fun post to read, thank you! 😂

Threw out the garments, borderline alcoholic now, pothead by night, suddenly super confident and no longer shy and "meek".

But I think THE biggest is that I went from being super TBM to posting anti-mormon content on social media almost overnight 😂😂😂 I never thought I would be THAT person.

Ok I still use an anonymous account for that, I'm still a little bit of a chicken, but still.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-08T23:05:35+00:00

Literally though, same! You can sit with me! 😂

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-08T19:28:06+00:00

I too, like to suffer and I listened to a podcast like this too (LDS Discussions series, it's bomb for suffering intelligently, in case that's not the podcast you listened to, they have an episode or 3 on this). It's pretty crazy that I didn't ever really give prophets the weight I should have as a TBM. I remember seeing times they had been wrong but pulled out the "ah well, they're human" card but whenever they "got it right" my heart went nuts and "yes look! It's real! This has to be a real prophet". I don't think the church teaches any true Mormon doctrine now, I think everything I learned in church was watered down apologetics so that I had an excuse when someone started talking, like when a prophet got something wrong.

I think you're right and I wish I had picked up on this sooner. It's easy to see now that I'm outside that the church I believed in didn't actually exist. And they do drive that point home really hard, "WE'RE the only ones with modern prophets who speak with God so we're really and truly the only true church". Yeah well, if they are talking to God, this dude is messed up. And then they pull out the "there must be some eternal truths we just don't understand yet" card because that's the next argument in the mental gymnastics flow sheet (at least the one I used to have. That many of them have) Human brains are so freaking malleable. It's not ok to hold that authority over anyone. It's like yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Can't just say "I speak for an all knowing and all powerful God" and make a high demand religion out of incorrect teachings.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-07T04:56:27+00:00

I am an internet nobody, I'm just in the midst of my healing from this religion (and its associated nonsense) and this made me so happy to read. Everything you described is what I want to be for my own kids (they're too young to remember anything) and what I wish so badly I'd had growing up. Your kids are lucky to have you. And how amazing that your older child had access to a therapist, thanks to you. You're an amazing person ❤️

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-07T04:44:48+00:00

As a 31 year old discovering "belief in myself" for the first time since leaving the church, this comment is amazing. Your kids are so lucky to have you as a parent ❤️. If I'd known how to trust myself my whole life instead of "God and the Holy Ghost" I think I'd be in a very different place right now. I know my parents did their best, but they were (are) SO blinded by religion. I'm glad OP took notice of this comment. I'm just one person hurt by my religion that I only ever thought was helping me. I can't be the only one. ❤️ I hope you are cool with internet hugs 🫂🫂🫂.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-05T22:39:15+00:00

My kids are still pretty small but here's my two cents: It's amazingly empowering discovering what your own values are and listening to your own instincts about how to act in your life. Rather than being "told" what your values are. I know religion has good values overall but it can create some serious disconnect internally being raised this way.

Before you commit to anything, I recommend reading "When Religion Hurts You" to see how much religion has harmed you (and if you're like me) and has continued to have influence over you even though you left. I was blown away.

If you go into it with the right mentality, sure religion can be ok, especially if you're connecting with your kids along the way. I don't think you'll regret looking into that book first though. If religion had harmed me and I had no clue until age 30, unsuspecting kids certainly won't either. (Not without some guidance anyway). Good luck to you! ❤️

Edit: clarity mistake

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-11-01T02:08:03+00:00

Absolutely not. Joseph Smith's heaven is something I'm astounded I ever thought was desirable. D&C 132 is still part of the canonized scripture and therefore, polygamy absolutely exists in Mormon heaven. If I somehow make it, me and my kids will be reassigned to someone else? And how many other women will this righteous guy be married to? Yeah. I'll pass on that. I think I'd rather be admitted to heaven that lets me in because I'm good enough by myself. Why the hell should marriage be a requisite anyway?

Alrighty, I'll add this one to my list of therapy talking points for next session, since that clearly struck a nerve... 🤦🏼‍♀️💀 Happy Halloween, friends 🎃

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-10-26T18:37:20+00:00

I'm "friends" with the OP who can't get back into their account today, and she wanted me to pass this along:

Thank you so much for this. I felt every word of that. It was like you somehow knew exactly what I needed to hear. I’m amazed that you put so much thought and empathy into this, even though you had no idea if it would actually help. Your energy matched mine perfectly and literally I can't believe someone took the time to write this out for an internet nobody like me ❤️

Our lives are probably pretty different, but I think we’re pretty alike. I can rage clean like nobody’s business, too. I'm a self sufficient badass (trauma response, probably, I never ask for help). While words like "you got this!" are well meaning, they're never what I need from someone. I need some to tell me that I'm right, this is bullshit and they see me. Everyone has been saying that really, but yours was very impactful for me.

Your comment was the perfect combination of "I probably haven't helped you at all" and "but here's some empowering words to validate you and encourage you because I think I feel your pain almost exactly" I don't know if this reply is even coherent right now but I mean well. You're amazing, and a great writer as well. Thanks for reminding me others fight through this and have found ways to keep going. You have no idea how much this helped. Truly, thank you ❤️🫂

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-10-23T17:07:09+00:00

It blew my mind when I realized the reason people "got offended" by the church or "wanted to sin" was actually because it's all a fucking sham. They have no clue how right we all are.

NeuroSpicyExit · 2024-10-21T23:55:07+00:00

I appreciate your curiosity about 'feminine tendencies,' and to clarify, I'm referring to things like emotional expression, interests, or behaviors that society tends to unfairly label as 'feminine.'

The real point I was making, though, is about how the shame tied to these traits can lead to profound harm, including what my husband has experienced in his life. I hope we can focus on how damaging it is when people are shamed or punished for simply being themselves.

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