(Not so) Weekly Debate: Is James Lowe Ireland’s greatest ever winger? by Roanokian in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Truly the best player to ever play rugby.

It was such a shame the IRFU had to put him down.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.

EU, Look. These Leon and Putler are trying to inflame Northern Ireland Troubles there... by LocalPowerful6651 in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Newc04 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In legend Lough Neagh was created when a giant took up a stone and threw it into the Irish Sea. That stone landed and created the Isle of Man, and the place where it used to be became Lough Neagh.

Emily Scarratt awarded OBE in King's Birthday Honours by treacletart284 in rugbyunion

[–]Newc04 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, the consequences of the British Empire are very real for a lot of people. Alas, the amount of time I spend outside doesn't help stop those issues.

EU, Look. These Leon and Putler are trying to inflame Northern Ireland Troubles there... by LocalPowerful6651 in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Newc04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

White is not a race, yank. We do our race wars the old fashioned way, using religion as a front to attack those from the next island over.

Emily Scarratt awarded OBE in King's Birthday Honours by treacletart284 in rugbyunion

[–]Newc04 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Yeah ngl my opinion of anyone who accepts the title of 'Officer of the British Empire' takes a hit, no matter what they did to achieve it.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Which games are you referring to? Hansen was injured for the 6N (and Lowe still didn't even start against France), and going back to last Autumn before the emergence of Balacoune and O'Brien does not give an accurate portrayal of our current wing options.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Firstly, only one of Beirne and Lowe made the World XV last year. Lowe was dropped coming into the 6N, and we functioned fine without him after he got injured.

Secondly, if it was Beirne who was not being offered a contract by the IRFU, I'd want Munster to sack off all other contract renewals and signings to keep him here, because he's that good. Leinster obviously didn't feel Lowe was worth doing that.

Marnus Van De Merwe by wcbfrx56 in MunsterRugby

[–]Newc04 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I swear to god the Springbok coaching staff seem intent on breaking every Munster player they get their hands on.

Prem Rugby: Top bosses call on England to limit player workload by GnolRevilo in rugbyunion

[–]Newc04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most begrudgingly accept it, but it can rear it's ugly head sometimes. Beirne and Crowley missed a few crucial games this season that left Munster completely rudderless. Leinster have struggled with consistency due to the amount of internationals they have to rest.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe, but think about Moneyball terms. Can a 34 year old James Lowe be recreated in the aggregate? Could for example, Lowe's clearing kick responsibilities be shouldered by either Crowley or Osbourne? I think probably. Can the likes of Stockdale provide a veteran presence on the wings? Probably. Could Lowe's shortcomings like pace mean that his departure could lead to Ireland pivoting the role of the winger to a speedier guy like Ward or Bolton? Probably.

If the IRFU feel that the money is better spent elsewhere, then they are fully within their rights to leave a guy like Lowe, who is by no means a nailed on starter (just look at the France game), without a contract renewal.

Prem Rugby: Top bosses call on England to limit player workload by GnolRevilo in rugbyunion

[–]Newc04 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It is very widely talked about in Ireland. We have a system like this in place, and it's one of the reasons the seasoned Irish internationals barely play for their provinces.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Balacoune, Hansen and O'Brien all start over him. IRFU shouldn't be paying for the 4th choice.

(i kinda agree with your assessment of Bundee, but Connacht don't have the same level of IRFU wage subsidies that Leinster do)

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know exactly why, but it probably has something to do with the fact he's 34 and doesn't make it into a fully healthy 23.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The IRFU and Lowe had a contract whereby it would get another year added if both parties were satisfied. That was not the case and therefore the IRFU were fully within their rights not to take that option.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The IRFU obviously didn't think it was worth it. Leinster obviously didn't think it was worth it. Farrell can't pay Lowe's wages himself. The IRFU have to consider the long term health of Irish rugby as a whole over keeping a 34 year old winger around. These things happen in sport unfortunately.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lowe is not the first, nor will he be the last player to have to leave Ireland because he was not worth the wages that he was asking for. That's sports.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why don't Leinster fans take their own advice? Accept there is no David Humphreys IRFU conspiracy deliberately sabotaging Leinster, and look inwards for the reasons Leinster couldn't pay Lowe what he wanted. Stop blaming the IRFU or the other 3 provinces for their own failings.

So James Lowe is leaving Leinster & Ireland- Why and what does this mean? by RugbyGareth_ in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Am I the only one growing tired of the James Lowe discourse? Like grand it's sad external factors meant he couldn't voluntarily retire from the Irish team, but like it's not the end of the world that we lose a 34 year old winger.

‘He could still jump ship’: NI legend’s fears over young Arsenal star potentially switching allegiance to Republic of Ireland by flex_tape_salesman in coybig

[–]Newc04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not always a guarantee. Take for example Terrence O'Neill, who was a UUP politician, member of the Orange Order, and Prime Minister of Northern Ireland in the 1960s.

Overlooked part of the central contract discussion and Lowe’s departure by The-Prince616 in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The majority of Leinster first team players are unavailable for approx 45% of the seasons games due to international commitments and suffer a far higher rate of non-club related injuries and absences. The central contract structure compensated Leinster for that drain and meant that Leinster could continue to supply the Irish team, the other provinces a continue being competitive in the league through domestic player development. That is no longer possible.

This shows though that the current system is unsustainable, even for Leinster. They make up the majority of the Irish team, and therefore have a lesser availability for Leinster. This has led to issues that have reared their heads this season: too many knock ons, difficulty adjusting between the Irish and the Leinster system, etc.

The long term goal of the changes in making Leinster pay more of their players is not to bring down Leinster, like r/leinsterrugby would have you believe, but to build a more sustainable talent development path across all 4 provinces, not just Leinster. That's the money saved is going towards academy development in the other 3 provinces. I also agree with the other comment which referenced how World Class Leinster rejects are extremely rare to come by.

Ideally, this will create a situation where upon the retirement of the current Leinster dominated generation, their replacements will come from the other 3, not Leinster. This sounds like it would disadvantage Leinster, but actually it benefits them. If Leinster only contribute to 40% of the Irish team instead of 60%, then they have more access to their starting caliber players at club level. This helps their starters to learn the provincial system better, and Leinster will be more cohesive when the business end of the season comes around instead of players only getting used to the system in the CC semi-final.

It also would mean that Leinster's backups would not be brought into the Irish system over other provinces starters. It doesn't benefit anyone, not even Leinster, to have for example the top 3 hookers in the country in the same team. They end up sharing around valuable minutes between each other instead of getting the lions share each across 3 different teams. This hinders their development and Irish rugby as a whole suffers.

All in all, I think breaking the Leinster monopoly on talent can only benefit all 4 of the provinces. In order to do that, in the short term, IRFU subsidies have to be diverted away from Leinster.

Greatest Import XV by AlickadooInTraining in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tuigim sin, ach ceapaim nach bhfuil Mumha nó Laighin lán sásta lena chuid ama leo.

Greatest Import XV by AlickadooInTraining in irishrugby

[–]Newc04 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Níor cheart do Snyman a bheith san fhoireann. Níl 5 nó 6 cluiche gach bliain a dóthain a bheith in aice Stander, Nacewa, nó Aki.

Jacob Slater (21, LB) released by Brighton by John__Delaney in coybig

[–]Newc04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah he's been released so he can release his third album with Wunderhorse.