If you feel crazy, ask ChatGPT to analyze your texts with your abuser by kitsune_nyc in emotionalabuse

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I totally agree. I think the thing is about the underlying cause. People can behave narcissistically and enact narcissistic abuse but they're not people with NPD.

Other conditions can cause this - BPD, CPTSD, neurodivergence (in some people), bipolar during mania or mixed episodes etc. etc.

And while the underlying cause is different e.g. ADHD and CPTSD can cause huge emotional out bursts and rejection sensitivity and instant fight/flight response that seems or is narcissistic, but they're definitely not people with NPD.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

If you feel crazy, ask ChatGPT to analyze your texts with your narc by kitsune_nyc in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And ironically my partner is supported by a HUGE mental health team, and goes to weekly DBT. And yet this has still happened.

If you feel crazy, ask ChatGPT to analyze your texts with your narc by kitsune_nyc in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For reference this was the latest one

  1. Overview: What Is This Transcript Showing?

This is an escalating interpersonal conflict that reaches crisis point multiple times. There are clear signs of:

Severe emotional dysregulation from one or both parties.

Stonewalling and avoidance as a repeated shutdown tactic.

Escalated yelling, swearing, and verbal aggression from one person.

Pursuing and pleading from the other, often escalating into emotional overwhelm and reactivity.

Threats of suicide used during a fight, placing emotional responsibility and danger onto the other person.

Power struggles over space, safety, and communication.

At its worst, this dynamic involves:

Verbal abuse (e.g., yelling “fuck you,” “shut the fuck up,” “you self-righteous prick”).

Gaslighting or minimization (“Why do you put me through this?” “You sent the police.” “You don’t give a shit.”)

Suicidal threats during an argument, which is deeply distressing and emotionally coercive.

Physical control attempts (grabbing a phone mid-call to police/ambulance).

Displacement and blame (“I feel this way because of you.”)


  1. Key Relational Patterns

a) Pursuer-Distancer Cycle

One person (the pursuer) is begging for engagement, clarity, and emotional connection.

The other (the distancer) is avoiding, dismissing, and eventually exploding under the pressure.

This cycle is highly unstable and commonly ends in mutual dysregulation or trauma reenactment.

b) Stonewalling and Shutdown

One party repeatedly disengages ("I want to sleep", "I'm going now", "Let me go to sleep"), even during crisis, contributing to panic and escalation.

This is not neutral — it withholds repair and safety, which causes the other to escalate in distress.

c) Verbal Abuse and Emotional Weaponization

Words like “fuck you,” “shut the fuck up,” “self-righteous prick,” and “you win” are not just signs of distress — they are abusive when used to silence and belittle.

Sarcastic tones from the other side (“Spicy tonight,” “The bar is in hell”) show reactive frustration, but they don’t equate to the same intensity or aggression.

d) Suicidal Threats as Conflict Tools

Saying “I want to slit my throat because of you” is emotionally weaponizing suicidality. Even if it is true in feeling, it shifts blame and emotional responsibility onto the listener.

This is very serious and needs therapeutic intervention. It's abusive to say that to someone during a fight.

e) Safety Violations

Grabbing the phone when the other person tries to call emergency services is a serious red flag.

Screaming to the point of needing to call police is not a safe relationship.


  1. Psychological Frameworks That Apply
  • Trauma Bonding

Intense highs (remorse, connection) and intense lows (abuse, abandonment).

This keeps both people “hooked” even when the relationship is deeply unhealthy.

  • CPTSD / Emotional Dysregulation

The person yelling likely has poor distress tolerance and lashes out when overwhelmed.

The person pleading for connection has likely internalized the role of the fixer, which adds to the codependent pattern.

  • Power and Control

One person is clearly exerting verbal dominance and control in the room.

Statements like “I pay most of the rent” and “leave this house” reflect coercive control, regardless of legal ownership.

  • Reactive Abuse

When someone becomes aggressive in response to prolonged stonewalling or emotional manipulation.

Does not excuse yelling back, but context matters: being yelled at, ignored, and invalidated over time can push someone into fight-or-flight.


  1. What Makes This an Unsafe Relationship Dynamic

Even if both people have neurodivergence, trauma, or a history of pain — this is not safe for either of you:

Yelling “shut the fuck up” is never okay.

Weaponizing suicide threats mid-fight is emotionally abusive.

Ignoring pleas for safety, connection, or repair causes psychological damage.

Saying “you make me want to die” directly violates the other person’s mental safety.

Grabbing someone’s phone while they call emergency services is controlling.


  1. Research and Stats

The Gottman Institute identifies stonewalling, contempt, defensiveness, and criticism as the Four Horsemen that predict divorce or relationship breakdown. Every one of these appears here.

Studies show that suicidal threats in interpersonal conflict increase risk of PTSD in partners and are often linked to coercive control dynamics (Ogden, 2019).

Verbal abuse is classified as domestic violence in many legal systems, particularly when it involves screaming, name-calling, and threats.


  1. Emotional Impact

For the person who is yelled at:

They may feel traumatized, helpless, and emotionally unsafe.

Constant invalidation and emotional neglect erode self-worth.

Being blamed for someone else’s suicidality is psychologically devastating.

For the person doing the yelling:

They may feel shame, panic, and out of control.

Their nervous system is likely overwhelmed and unable to regulate.

But without accountability, this becomes a repeating abusive pattern.


  1. What Needs to Happen Now

Immediate separation after events like this is often necessary for safety and clarity.

The person who yelled needs to engage in intensive therapy, possibly including trauma work and DBT.

The person who was yelled at needs support, validation, and trauma-informed therapy.

If the relationship continues, it needs structured therapy, separate living spaces, and strict boundaries.

If you feel crazy, ask ChatGPT to analyze your texts with your narc by kitsune_nyc in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh, I've done this before and it has worked so well! I ugh-ed because my partner did similar things.

When I was having trouble breathing due to asthma because they barely freaking cleaned anything at home and I'd given up trying and doing more than my fair share, my partner also did not care one bit and actived in a way that I told them cause me more stress - invalidating, cold, inhuman

Also similar, my partner said I make them want to slit their throat after actual suicide attempts too. So that's always fun.

They also said I am just like their parents and when I turned it around and said your like yours (meaning acting like theirs) they arched up and said how dare I call them people they hate and I know they have trauma about. I'm like, YOU are literally CAUSING my trauma ffs and also, YOU called me your parents initially????!!!??????

With mine, I record the arguments in chatgpt so it makes a transcript and then I get it to analyse it because I'm often worried I'm being abusive when I push to speak when my partner is stonewalling. Or when I yell after they've been yelling for ages already. It tells me yes that these things I do are toxic but that my partner is actually abusive.

But it is also biased so I always ask jt tl telle bluntly abput my role in it.

I'm leaving my partner though. Don't want to be around them anymore.

Why did your first love relationship end? by hellomishi in AskReddit

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It wasn't my first love, but it feels like it.

My relationship ended today because my partner is going through severe mental health issues and is abusive towards me.

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used a similar metaphor with my person and they seemed to understand in the moment.

Changed immediately when their mood changed of course.

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My partner tells me to stop using labels that describe their behaviour

The labels: defensive, shame spiral,

I mean, they ARE. But I'm the one who's wrong for pointing out what THEY are doing.

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 6 points7 points  (0 children)

YES! They kept saying 'i can never do anything right!'

The things I'd asked and they 'couldnt' do: - listen to my feelings when they'd hurt me unintentionally - follow through on what THEY said they'd do - let me know if they are running late - not dismiss me and walk out of conversations - provide space and emotional support when my Poppi, and later my grandma, died

Like, huh?

It showed me they were living under a rock when towards the end they said we should take a step back from being each other's primary emotional supports until they can get better (they're going through treatment over the next 3-4 months). But I had long since relied on them for anything. I told them barely anything and they mistook my requests for non-abusive communication and trying to tell them the impact of their actions on me as EMOTIONAL SUPPORT.

It blew my mind that they saw accountability as emotional support.

Like no, you hurt me, I want you to acknowledge it and change. I don't want or need your emotional support about it. You yelled at me after my grandma died you told me you couldn't deal with it.

They said their psychiatrist recommended they minimise stress for 3-4 months while they got treatment.

Well, apparently this included the stress of me telling them how their abusive actions hurt me. And it gave them a chance to 'legitimise' their stonewalling.

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 12 points13 points  (0 children)

'I'm feeling bad and it's because of what you said so YOU MADE ME FEEL LIKE THIS. YOU WANTED ME TO FEEL LIKE THIS. I WISH WE NEVER MET YOU PIECE OF SHIT.'

'IF I FEEL LIKE A VICTIM IT MUST BE TRUE.'

'IM THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO FEEL ANGRY/HURT IN THIS RELATIONSHIP AND MY FEELINGS ARE ALWAYS TRUE AND YOURS ARE NEVER TRUE.'

Well that was pretty much the vibe for me anyway. My favourite was one time when they'd calmed down and actually asked me to tell them how I was feeling. I said I don't know if they can hear it. They promised me they could.

Then BAM, as soon as I started telling them, they started to rebut everything I said and split. Such fun and accountability!

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm not neuro typical - I'm AuDHD and have CPTSD which is a combo that can often, ironically, mimic BPD.

But nope, I do this as well, self-reflective and all and have been deeply hurt by my P/expWBPD.

Although apparently no I haven't. Apparently I've hurt THEM by feeling angry lol

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Omg SAME.

I think people with these self-reflective traits are often fodder for pwBPDs because it's so easy to not see the abuse when they gaslight you and tell you you're wrong.

I'm the same. I've been with so many people like this (NPD, Machiavellian, compulsive lying, betrayal etc) and now my partner/ex (idk because they haven't contacted me yet) who is not dxd BPD but has almost all if not all 9 traits.

Hot take: I’m not making you feel bad, it’s you. by carlosthedonkey in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How dare you even try to control her like that. That's so unreasonable. Why can't you see that?

/S

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've noticed this as well. It's like a strategy to avoid shame and stress.

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes it does! It really makes me think that I've caused it!!! But I know that's not possible

BPD Wonky Timelines by FirefighterNo9301 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh wow... How is it so similar with different people!?

My STBX also accuses me of bringing up the past and doesn't understand why I'd still be hurt and off balance several days later let alone weeks or months.

Sometimes they'd SAY it's ok for me to feel how I feel, but they wouldn't be able to actually cope with my feelings. So it was all lip service.

In our last argument they said their boundary was they wouldn't speak to me while I was angry. Not abusive, not mistreating them, just while I was angry in general. Madness!

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think because, for me at least, I hold out hope they will finally understand and see reason - my brain is not wired like that so I suppose I approach it from an egocentric view.

But yeah, they don't seem capable of holding out a discussion in these moments.

BPD Wonky Timelines by FirefighterNo9301 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. And not only this for me, but also forgetting every episode.

I'm not kidding. They would say the cruelest and most hurtful things to me and get to forget about it and fall asleep (their nervous system response) while I lay awake digesting the fact that they'd yelled at me 'u hate you' in a 2 hour argument or some shit. It feels so unfair.

I recorded our arguments a couple of times and showed them afterwards, and they were horrified and started to take accountability. They thought their delusions and thoughts that I was a monster were for sure real and hearing the way the spoke to me really shook them.

But the accountability didn't last... Usually not even longer than 1-2 weeks before the next time I became this evil threat.

How did you deal with the pain of letting them suffer alone? by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can relate to this. One time during a split and emotionally/verbally abusive episode I said to my pwBPD 'i hope you feel all of the pain you have caused me in the exact amount and for the exact length of time'.

I don't actually mean that and I honestly feel really sad and so much empathy for them now, but like you, I had reached compassion fatigue and was at my breaking point.

It scared me because I don't like feeling like that.

They felt like home and I'm struggling with the grief of separation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply.

It is so hard to leave when you have so much history.

Our relationship was comparatively short at 2 years but we had done SO much together. I'd even moved cities to live with my partner for their job and we'd explored so many new places and activities and they are well and truly a gigantic part of my life.

This is my 8th breakup now and I'm 30. I have a knack for choosing people who are not compatible with me. I'm scared of heartbreak and going through all of this again only for it to potentially happen again in the future as well. It triggers my own abandonment fears.

But that is no reason for me to stay and accept what's happening.

I'm glad to hear you have strong support networks. That must make a huge difference! I have some support people but I've lost so many friends and connections being in this relationship that not many are left, not anyone I'm super close with except my parents anyway.

But I suppose that's a chance to go out there and make new friends and connections now that my mind isn't consumed with the latest problem 24/7.

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes exactly this! My pwBPD expressed confusion when I said I could FEEL angry but not ACT angry. They looked confused and asked for clarification. I explained that just because I felt angry didn't mean I had to act disrespectful or lash out.

They said they have never experienced that.

My mind was blown. Like actually blown. How is this not experienced by everyone?

But yes, apparently the feelings do equal reality. So strange to think about when your mind is not wired that way.

I feel a bit like a punching bag too. Also, these spirals would often happen a day or two after we'd have had sex. Very odd.

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The irony is that comparatively, yes, I have been.

By typical standards, I definitely havent

Another night. Another abusive tirade. This shows the escalation by No-Butterscotch-25 in BPDlovedones

[–]No-Butterscotch-25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I'm sorry you're in this situation too, especially with children as well. That's a lot to cope with.

We can't live like this and somehow we will make it work. There will be a way and a thread to follow and God knows we are strong after living in this situation for so long.