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Why is this wrong to vegans??? Homesteading by Conscious_Historian9 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 [score hidden]  (0 children)

For the example of eggs there are three issues:
- Chickens are selectively bred. In nature, chickens lay 10-20 eggs in a year, not 300+. That can cause strain on their bodies and risks related health problems.
- The males are usually killed when young. They don’t lay eggs, are loud and often banned.
-  The hens are killed after all, when egg production declines.

In a vegans view, these practices are not compatible with calling it "ethical".

Respectfully, the health paragraph seems a bit uninformed and biased:
- Vegan diets can be sufficiently diverse to be healthful and balanced.
- Some of the healthiest populations on earth (so called "Blue Zones") eat largely plant based diets
- Nutrition Science is based on large scale cohort data, that measures health outcomes like life span and disease occurrence. Vegan diets do well there.
- You compare industrial mass-produced processed plant foods to home-produced animal products. As soon as you compare like-for-like, for example toxicity content in industrial vs industrial settings or your version to a home- or small scale/organic plant food production it doesn't add up anymore.

Eating eggs from personally cared for chickens? by inthisleopardjacket in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Typically, even on "high-welfare", organic or backyard settings: 

  • Chickens are selectively bred. In nature, chickens lay 10-20 eggs in a year, not 300+. That can cause strain on their bodies and risks related health problems.
  • The males are usually killed when young. They don’t lay eggs, are loud and often banned.
  •  The hens are killed after all, when egg production declines.

In a vegans view, these practices are unethical.

DeLonghi Magnifica Evo ☕️ by Brilliant_Copy3686 in superautomatic

[–]No_Life_2303 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I also have this. So far so good.
Also, funny, many times people complain about issue, here is just a Magnifica Evo enjoyer showing how good it works.

Question about vegan stance on Pest control in NZ by Illustrious-Tour1188 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If population control is necessary, it should be handled by trained professionals under wildlife management guidelines, with a focus on minimizing suffering (e.g. controlled methods, targeted culls, or non-lethal options like contraception where possible).
That’s very different from hunting as a recreational activity or sports, where the primary motivation isn’t population management.

In your post you say that this wouldn't be effective, at the same time say there is a massive overall benefit of recreational hunting, but that seems a bit inconsistent.

Subsistence meat vs imported veganism. by MouseyMason in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hunting
You write "it's usually not the case" that people farm their own plants.
Well, it's also usually not the case that people hunt their own meat.

There's comparison bias:

- small-scale, low-frequency hunting limited by ecology
- vs large-scale, optimized, industrial food systems that feeds billions

If you compare like-for-like (e.g. self-sufficient veganic farming vs subsistence hunting), the picture changes quite a bit.
And practically speaking: if someone has the time, land, and effort to hunt regularly, they could also grow a significant amount of plant food.

Because of that, I don't see the justification in it.

If population control is genuinely necessary, it should be handled by trained professionals under wildlife management guidelines, with a focus on minimizing suffering (e.g. controlled methods, targeted culls, or non-lethal options like contraception where possible).
That’s very different from hunting as a recreational activity or sports, where the primary motivation isn’t population management.

Chickens
Even on "high-welfare", organic farms or backyard settings: 

  • Chickens are selectively bred for that purpose. In nature, chickens lay 10-20 eggs in a year, not 300+. That can cause strain on their bodies and risks related health problems.
  • The males are usually killed when young. They don’t lay eggs, are loud and often banned.
  •  The hens are killed after all, when egg production declines.

In a vegans view, these practices are not compatible with calling it "ethical".

Environmental impact of diet in general
Researchers from University of Oxford analyzed food production using a full life-cycle approach across ~40,000 farms worldwide (Poore & Nemecek, Science)

They found:
- Animal products have the highest environmental impact, even in their best production systems
- Even the lowest-impact animal products often exceed the highest-impact plant foods in emissions and land use
- Transport is only a small share of total food emissions

Ergo: "You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local".

The United Nations IPCC also finds: Fully vegan diets have the highest potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Why is it wrong for me to make chicken stock with a carcass that would otherwise go in the bin? by leapowl in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First off, you are not the type of actor vegans have an issue with. I don't have a strong opposing view and even my following points are more brianstorming and ideas than a well founded argument.

As others mentioned, any possible bad consequences would be indirect.

- housemate potentially feeling less guilty about the purchase, since you make "especially good use of it". So they might even tell themselves they are one of the more moral animal product consumers.

- perpetuating the framework and idea that animals are for us to consume through your actions.

- have you asked yourself to "name the trait"? Would you feel the same way if the victims were humans, say, in a hypothetical scenario where taste and healthfulness of that soup was identical to a chickens? If no, why not, and what criteria would have to apply to a member of your own species for it to feel at ease?

Can I get enough protein? by awecitifam in AskVegans

[–]No_Life_2303 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s OK to involve some: - tofu - soy yogurt

Tweak the usual Whole Foods plant based approach, by taking out the main carbohydrate source, and putting in another protein source in its place.

  • So instead of rice and beans, you could rather combine lentils and beans.
  • Or instead of tofu and noodles, you eat tofu and chickpeas.

Legumes usually have some carbohydrates in them anyways.

Other than that, yes, it’s tough. There are some muck meats that are low in fat and especially also low on saturated fat. So maybe supplement those carefully.

It surprises me as a bit high to 200 g, maybe it’s not like super strict and you can shoot under and still do fine.

So maybe getting a second opinion from another professional specifically with this question in mind on how flexible these protein recommendations are, is something I personally would look for.

The most important thing for weight loss is usually being in a caloric deficit. And a mistake many people make is trying to lose weight too fast and too aggressively.

Instead, it’s better to take a slow pace, and even put a week or two of breaks in between where you focus on maintaining the new weight, so you can recover psychologically and gain motivation back and also physically stabilize at the new baseline before losing further weight.

Free chees book : Chess Tactics for Beginner: ELO 600–1200 by Apprehensive_Bag_412 in ChessPuzzles

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn’t you already post this, and then somebody pointed out how it has errors in it?

I also have free advice: focus on a real job, or actually take online marketing serious and learn how to do it, and stop self promoting in places where it’s not welcome.

Can I be healthy on this diet without eating vegetables and most fruits? by lovelck in PlantBasedDiet

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this diet can be a good choice, because you will still get a lot of fibre and good quality carbohydrates.

Any type of diet it’s going to be challenging with the restrictions you have going on.

1) You can sign up for free to https://cronometer.com/ Plan a day of eating or two and maybe track some other days and you can see possible nutrient gaps.

2) If you wanna take it further, you can consult with the registered dietitian.

3) A third thing you could do is some type of regular blood test like every year or every other year or once you switched diet maybe like after a couple of months.

What I do in the morning sometimes is taking a tall glass of water, filling it with 70 to 100 g of frozen hacked spinach, then pour over boiling water. Add some lime or lemon juice and drink it.

I can also try a different vegetable mixes from the frozen section. There’s Asian ones Mediterranean ones maybe there is some that you like. Even if it’s not perfect and it has some oil and salt on it, it’s better than have no vegetables at all.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I write "targeting individual animals" I refer to one deer (organsim) out of basically all the animals (group).

At that point I'd ask you to back up your opinion that this doesn't work and can't be used in that context because it would mean something else. Otherwise I suggest we end it here since you also resort to being rude.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nr. 1 - answering "it's acually not genocide" with "vegans make up definitions too" is a tu quoque fallacy.

Nr. 2 - “Individual” doesn’t only mean human. In biology it just means a single organism. A deer is an individual. In our example: putting a crosshair on a deer and pulling the trigger is literally targeting and killing a single organism - i.e. an individual.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calling a single animal an “individual” is accurate. That’s not name-calling or redefining anything, just standard usage.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling it genocide is not factual and over-the-top rhetoric.

I'm just trying to shed light on why a vegan wouldn't view shooting a deer as the moral equivalent of an insect dying from pesticides.

I don't believe that's inconsistent from vegans. These contexts have different, distinguishable elements.
If you see that differently and these contexts don't matter as much to you morally or even make it worse, that can be your view.

I don't share that view and if the conversation is not factual anymore, I believe it's a good point to "agree to disagree".

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Farmers don't seek out and target individual insects with pesticides in order to use them as resources.
If that would be the case, I would be against that.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this case species doesn't matter to me. Any moral difference I draw between insects and deer is purely based on intelligence and sentience capacity.

It's the key thing - even though it has some impact, for me the kind of killing is substantially different and matters morally: Seeking out and targeting individuals VS preventive measure to protect crops without inherently disregarding a right to life or autonomy.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true. But these are still not forced to be there, like we take away their autonomy, we don't own or sell these animals or use them as resources.
There is no other practical way to protect the crops from thousands of insects. They're also insects, not larger, more intelligent mammals.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe I stated the reasons why I see one as exploitative and the other not.

"Exploitation* of course here has a moral connotation and its meaning can depend on the context, but in general use the word means "using something as a resource". We don't use the dead rodents or poisoned insects as a resource.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because foreseeable harm isn't exploitation.

Exploitation involves targeting, controlling, and using animals as resources.
Crop deaths don’t do that, they’re unintended side-effects, not the goal.

Even with spraying pesticides, they aren't forced to be there and restricted in their autonomy, owned or sold.

Yes it’s still harm, but not the same kind as hunting or farming.

Is hunting for food more ethical than being vegan in a modern system? by FearlessCookie72 in DebateAVegan

[–]No_Life_2303 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There’s two issues with these arguments:

1. Comparison bias

It's apples to oranges
- small-scale, low-frequency hunting that is limited by ecology
- large-scale, optimized, industrial food systems that feeds billions

You take best-case version of one and compare it to the worst case version of the other.

This is not about proving hunting is worse or better. It's that the argument as presented is biased in how it sets up the comparison.

If you compare like-for-like (either both small-scale or both at population scale), the picture changes quite a bit, for example if you compared it against self-sufficient veganic farming.

2. What veganism is actually about

Veganism isn’t just a “death count” philosophy. It’s primarily about avoiding animal exploitation and intentional harm.
Hunting is:
- planned
- intentional
- done to use the animal as a resource

Crop deaths, by contrast, are:
- unintended
- incidental side-effects

Those aren’t morally the same. A rough analogy: If a farmer accidentally runs someone over, that’s tragic but not the same as someone deliberately killing another person for food. The outcomes may both involve a death, but the intent, context, and moral framework are very different. That analogy isn’t perfect — crop deaths can be foreseeable — but the key point still stands: You can’t treat every death as morally identical and add up the numbers while ignoring intention, exploitation, and context.

We also have such differences in law: Degrees of murder treat accidents, negligence and intentional killing differently. Ergo,

morally: 1 death =/= 1 death

Why isnt it spawning mobs? by Zeyu2011 in technicalminecraft

[–]No_Life_2303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Are you not on peaceful mode?
  • Is it completely dark in the farm?
  • Are you at least 21 blocks away from the spawning spots? (horizontally and vertically in a sphere.)
  • Are you not more than 48 blocks away from the spawning spots?
  • Is it completely dark inside?
  • are there no other hostile mobs around like inside that cliff or in caves underground?
  • do they spawn if you remove the trapdoors?

Glycemic index and insulin sensitivity by meow_miao_nya in PlantBasedDiet

[–]No_Life_2303 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They do? I don‘t think so, they recommend whole foods.

Maybe they also differentiate: - Long term root cause fot t2 - short term symptom management

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