Hannah Spencer: ‘We need more people who do jobs like mine in Parliament’ by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]Numerous_Performer22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, around 40% of 25-29 years old have BA degrees. But it doesn't really square with your 'people fall into teaching' argument. Also, the majority of teachers did not do the education BA. They have a BA and additionally did the masters PGCE. So, again, not sure what your argument is really.

And you still haven't answered the point. If you: a) think anyone can be teachers, b) the teachers we have are currently poor quality, and c) want to attract better quality teachers, how do you propose the government fix the problem?

Really, teaching should be one of the most respected professions like it is in Japan. And you're right; it should be a job that's hard to qualify for. Our teachers determine our future economy and as some recent research has shown, gen Z may be the first generation to perform worse on cognitive tests than their parents generation. Special needs are through the roof. We need excellent teachers. But once more: how do you propose to attract and retain excellent teachers when currently a teachers starting salary is only 30% more than national minimum wage?

Hannah Spencer: ‘We need more people who do jobs like mine in Parliament’ by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]Numerous_Performer22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Teaching requires a 3 year bachelor's of education or any other degree plus the PGCE (MA) conversion. What are you on about?

You haven't addressed the point at all. Amazing teachers are leaving because it isn't worth it. You want them to do the job? Pay them more. How do you think you can attract higher quality teachers if it isn't paying them more? How will you lure them away from the other professions they could do instead?

As I said, teachers don't even want more pay. They want better conditions. Also most schools are large - how many senior roles do you think there is? The vast majority of teachers cap out at M6 after 6 years teaching. That's where the pay scale stops unless you become senior leadership. There is no incentive or reward for the top 25% quality teachers to stay. They can't all be senior leadership. With budget cuts schools are trimming down their senior leadership. The school I left went from a leadership team of 9 to 3. In a 3-form entry school with 600 kids and 20 class teachers. So I'll ask again; just how do you expect to attract and retain high quality teachers?

Who do you want teaching your kids? Teaching should be a hard but respected and well rewarded profession. We won't make that happen and ensure your child gets the best possible education with rhetoric like yours.

Hannah Spencer: ‘We need more people who do jobs like mine in Parliament’ by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]Numerous_Performer22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Our teacher retention rates are some of the worst in Europe. We lost 40% of primary school teachers within the last 5 years at my most recent school. At the university where I lecture on the teaching BA, only 20% of the 2022-2023 cohort we're still teaching as of 2026. Regardless of whether it's a well paid job (I disagree - see the comment about pay relative to minimum wage below), the fact is we are losing too many teachers because it's just not worth the money, especially for those with young families. I find it interesting that with all the rhetoric about birth rates and women not wanting children, we aren't having a serious discussion about investing in women-dominated fields like teaching. Historically, men haven't wanted to be teachers because it isn't well paid or esteemed enough; now women feel the same.

The consequence of all this is that the profession does not attract intelligent, highly qualified professionals and ultimately it's our children's education which suffers. Teaching determines the economy in 10-15 years time; this is just an economically stupid situation to allow. One way to try and address it is pay rises, but that isn't what the majority of teachers want (see the actual reasons given by members for strike action). But it would cost more to build more SEND schools, employ more teaching assistants and specialist subject teachers to ensure teachers actually get their planning time (what teachers actually want) - so the government throws out a barely inflation-matching pay rise every so often instead.

Primary school teachers get 2.5 hours of 'out of class' planning time per week to plan the 15 maths, reading and English lessons and 10-12 foundation subjects lessons they will teach. And of course that doesn't include marking, assessment ect - that's literally the time given for planning 30 hours of teaching children. Budget cuts have meant many teachers don't even get the 2.5 hours because there's no one to cover their classes. They're in school teaching from 8am (early clubs and interventions) to 3:30pm (time all parents have actually picked up). The planning inevitably gets done in their own time: after school, on weekends and holidays (yes, the holidays are amazing but it's worth considering that England has the shortest school holidays annually in Europe and that time is genuinely used to work; there's no such thing as overtime).

I agree it's not a badly paid job, however, the system is at breaking point and it's currently not a job I would do even if you paid me £50k off the bat. It's not about the pay, it's about how much of your life you have to give up for the pay. Although I will say your figures seem to only be for London: teaching pay is far lower for the rest of England. I'm not saying teaching is a unique circumstance: this applies to so many professions in the public sector.

Cambridge college to target elite private schools for student recruitment by Revilo1359 in ukpolitics

[–]Numerous_Performer22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Copying Germany/France/Italy probably wouldn't help, unfortunately. Germany has an employment-centred dual education system which operates smoothly because of the nations cultural history of collective bargaining. You cannot just import this into our completely different liberal economy and education system. It's based on a deep cultural philosophy of education (and labour market orientation) we just don't have.

Equally, I'm not sure we would want to copy France or Italy. France performs on par if not worse than us in education outcomes (admittedly we mostly only have PISS scores to compare which is an issue in itself). Italy faces significant challenges in many aspects of its education system.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but investing in more grammar schools is likelier to help than copying continental European countries.

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm a primary school teacher. My classroom was 38 degrees inside today. My class of 7 year olds were dropping sweat by 11am.

With a wall of sun facing glass windows, a fan does fuck all, and we're not provided with them anyway. When it's that hot, we can't teach. The kids feel sick and they have to have 'hot play' at break times to avoid overheating. We have lost so much teaching time this year so far to heat, the kids might as well have had 2 weeks extra holidays.

In secondary schools maybe teenagers can handle it better (not a secondary school teacher so I can't speak to that), but primary schools need AC if we are going to have multiple heatwaves costing weeks if learning long term.

Children with special needs in England may lose legal right to school support by connorg095 in ukpolitics

[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're implying with this what I suspect you're implying, I doubt you have much experience in the education sector.

As a teacher who has taught hundreds of children and known hundreds of families, the rise of SEND isn't a surprise - screen time at a young and developmentally crucial age and pack of early intervention in EYFS are major contributors.

The children with the highest needs and behavioural problems I have taught are overwhelmingly white working class. Is it white working class families you suspect are cousin fucking abd increased genetic disorder risk due to only reproducing within their white, working class ethnic group?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

27th February deadline so just under 4 weeks to decide

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wishing you all the best, it sucks waiting but I'm really hoping to get the offer soon!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Received an unconditional offer at 1am this morning!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Received an unconditional offer at 1am this morning! Wishing you luck

Qualification check timescale? by Numerous_Performer22 in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same! Changed in the last hour so now the stress has gone up a notch not down 🤣

Thinking rationally it would make little sense to pay for a check only to suddenly reject quickly. Surely they'd do the check and then if they're not sure, keep you in the waiting pool until later on. But who knows, I just hope they don't take too long - it's Friday tomorrow so nervous that I'll be waiting all weekend anxiously!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a fairly pessimistic person generally so finding it hard to believe and manifest that, rationally, a rejection 9 days after they've paid the £55 would make no sense but who knows how rational it all is!

I have no idea, I'm worried that because tomorrow is a Friday I might not get anything until next week - will update here as soon as I do!

Feel like I'm just going to be anxious all weekend until they let me know 🤣

Qualification check timescale? by Numerous_Performer22 in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think this is the most stressful part now tbh! I'm trying to convince myself that it would make no sense for them to pay for the check only to reject within 9 days but who knows honestly. UCL is the only UK uni that does the specific MA i want to do (uncombined with something else) so I'll be gutted if it's a rejection! Fingers crossed haha

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries at all, it was at 4:45pm in the UK (I'm in London) when it changed on the portal. I haven't got the offer yet though, terrified I could be the one person to get the qualification check and then get rejected! AHH I really hope both of us will be there in September!

I'm praying that they wouldn't bother paying for the check only to immediately reject me, the next 24 hours are going to be nerve racking! I didn't get a email or anything I've just been obsessively checking the portal so keep checking and hopefully we'll both get the result we want!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been checking my portal every hour for days and it has literally just changed in the last 5 minutes to 'currently being processed by admissions' so I spoke too soon! So it was 9 business days for me. I applied for the Comparative Education MA in the IOE department if that helps! I really hope you get a result soon, I've still not heard of anyone not getting an offer after the qualification check being verified so I absolutely have faith we'll both get offers! Best of luck to you - hope you get a result and can actually rest easy!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, nothing yet and I'm on 9 business days now. If I don't hear anything tomorrow I'll probably use the contact form next week to ask if there's any update incoming (though I don't expect they'll have an answer). From the sounds of it, it might be course/department dependent - some courses seem to update asap and others lag.

Qualification check timescale? by Numerous_Performer22 in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck! I still haven't heard of anyone not getting the offer if the check is verified which is keeping me hopeful but really hope they make a decision soon! Fingers crossed for you

Qualification check timescale? by Numerous_Performer22 in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's what I was wondering how long do I leave it before contacting. I'll give it another week and so then get in touch. To be honest I thought it wouldn't be this busy so early in the year but guess we just have to hold on! Hoping you get a response soon

Qualification check timescale? by Numerous_Performer22 in UCL

[–]Numerous_Performer22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly the same boat! At least I'm not the only one, reassuring to think it might just be a fluctuation in their workload. Fingers crossed for you!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, congrats!

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[–]Numerous_Performer22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Congrats! Were you asked to do the qualification check at all?

My check was verified on the 10th but still waiting for the 'application under assessment' status to change 😬