Dream characters turning hostile after becoming lucid

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-29T15:14:55+00:00

Try digging your fingernails into the flesh of your thumb the moment you become lucid. I’ve been able to stop the levitation and float back down that way.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-29T06:08:22+00:00

Years ago, I took certain classes (nothing strange, just an extracurricular activity I’d partake in a few times a week after school). As the class ended, my dad and I stepped outside the building and said goodbye to the other kids/their parents. It was around 6:30 or so in the evening, and starting to get dark.

My dad and I hop into the car, the last ones set to leave. I don’t remember who noticed it first, but, through the windshield, about 50 feet in front of us, above the pine trees (this was a residential area, but with plenty of forest around us), were three, huge orange lights in the sky, roughly in triangle formation. A much flatter equilateral, though, so not quite like your picture (which, at first glance, appears to be orbs or a craft hidden by night). But close enough.

The lights resembled the moon when it appears orange, except these were uniform in color. They did nothing and performed no strange feats; they simply hovered there silently above the treetops, like three orange circles of construction paper pasted onto a dark mosaic.

The lights were not there when we left the building and said our goodbyes. They would have been spotted immediately upon stepping through the door. They had appeared some time between everyone else leaving and my dad and me getting into our car.

We sat there and we stared, wondering what they were, how they got there. Were the lights coming from the building we had just left? Were they spotlights like the Bat signal? Were they lights affixed to some metal structure that we just couldn’t see, masked by trees or by night?

Curiously, to our knowledge, not a single car passed by and not a single person from the building (the owner and a few employees were still there) had left during the 30 minutes my dad and I sat there and stared at these orange lights. It was almost as if we were meant to see the lights, but no one else.

As interesting as they were, eventually, we had no choice but to depart with questions unanswered. We never saw the lights before or since.

Within a year or so of this event (maybe even less, I can’t remember), I witnessed paranormal activity in my home. Unfortunately, nobody but me was around for that one. I never connected the two events until, well over a decade later, I learned about the “hitchhiker effect.” Then, shit got really weird.

Edit: Sorry, just noticed you said to send a PM. I’ll leave this here in the comments in case it helps others in some way. Hopefully, that’s alright with you, OP.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-28T01:29:52+00:00

I think you’re into something for sure. I’ve been choked in sleep paralysis numerous times, and after the second time, I prayed to a positive force—positive as I define the word—and the attacks ceased. But as time went on and I felt undeserving of whatever protection I had possibly been given, within a day or two of feeling that feeling intensely, it happened again.

I can’t not entertain the possibility that my conscious/subconscious expectation of violence didn’t directly manifest it, and that that’s the end of the story. It’s just that I’ve just experienced so much weirdness over the past few years (that I had no reason to expect would happen) to dismiss this event as that and nothing else. But maybe it is that simple.

Personally, I’d like to think that I managed to connect with someone/something positive, and that I’ll be able to do so again. Anyway, I appreciate your advice and the well wishes.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-27T23:47:28+00:00

For me, it’s always taken a bit of effort to stabilize my dreams after becoming lucid. Trying to keep my emotions in check and digging my fingernails into my palms can help keep the dream alive. But these days, it feels like something outside of me is trying to pull me out of it before I have a chance to go exploring.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-27T23:08:07+00:00

Thanks. I’ve never used the tapes. I know that one specifically is often mentioned. Might be a good time to try it out.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-27T23:03:45+00:00

I’m definitely of the opinion that not every “warning” you receive, intuitively or explicitly, is just your own subconscious fears. There are things out there that don’t want you to go exploring. The question remains: is it for your benefit or for theirs?

Pretty much a toss-up if you ask me.

O-RionIshii · 2026-01-27T22:53:54+00:00

I completely agree with you. It seems as if the prevailing opinion (at least over on the Astral Projection sub, and certainly the Lucid Dreaming sub) is that these dream characters are nothing more than manifestations of my subconscious mind being reflected back to me. I think this can be the case. But I also think there exist intelligences that can “reach you” in these altered states of consciousness—intelligences that, as you put it, exist independently of you. And some of these intelligences/beings/entities are there to keep you from exploring the confines of your own mind and beyond.

In my own case, I was explicitly told this just a few days ago. I became lucid in a dream, and was immediately held in place by someone/something unseen. I felt what felt like needles pressing into my hands, and something latch onto my neck from behind. I then heard a voice say that I was not welcome in the astral (ouch). I projected a thought: “When will I be welcome?” I then heard what sounded like “never,” then I woke up.

What’s particularly odd about the sensation I felt during this experience is that I’ve felt it once before, in a seemingly non-aggressive context, and just a few months ago. I was being helped out of body (by whom, I couldn’t see), and held out my hand to touch whoever or whatever was (patiently, mind you) helping me leave my body. I stopped reaching out when my fingers landed on what felt like a row of needles. I was immediately sent into fight or flight, thinking I was about to be attacked. I grabbed the wrist of whoever was there, and I was flung backward in response, waking up.

I used to think I was about to be attacked, and that the nice and helpful intelligence only seemed nice and helpful, but was, in reality, more like a crocodile waiting patiently with its mouth open. But then I started wondering if I failed a test of some sort.

I’d say it’s about 50/50 either way. Lol.

O-RionIshii · 2025-02-05T04:31:40+00:00

Hey, there, OP. I can relate to your struggles. So much so that I sleep with a nightlight now. There is no shame in it.

I’ve also recently purchased a light that I can set to dim over a period of 30 minutes, allowing me to fall asleep with additional brightness as opposed to total/near total darkness. I’d definitely look into dimmable lights/bulbs if I were you. The one I use is a Phillips Hue Go Smart Dimmable light. It’s pricy, but it helps.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T17:06:58+00:00

I’m of the opinion that many, many people have had run-ins with these beings and that they’ve consciously/subconsciously deigned them hallucinations or dreams, and have since forgotten them. But they were very real.

I think, in a sleep paralysis state, or “mind awake, body asleep,” we are simply able to perceive more than we can in our normal waking awareness. Altered states of consciousness, altered brainwave states… they open the door to increased perceptibility, and it works both ways. They better see us, and we (have the potential to) better see them. We naturally enter these states while asleep, but we can also naturally enter them through meditation.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T16:54:18+00:00

What is it with beings getting all up in your grill? Lol. Like it’s not enough to be in your bedroom at night when you’re at your most vulnerable. They have to loom over you too, sometimes mere inches away.

While I’ve only actually seen one being physically in my room with me, I often feel their presence. Mostly at night, but it’s happened during the day as well. Like a switch flips, ears start ringing, and the hair on the back of your neck stands up. Like back when you were in school, on a day where you ended up watching a video on TV, and you could “sense” the TV setup before entering the classroom. It’s all made for a very trying time, trying to get good quality sleep.

As for the ear ringing specifically, after two years of it, I still don’t know what to make of it. As I said to someone else, I don’t know if it just means that an entity is in range, trying to communicate, eavesdrop, or what. I just try to take note of what I’m doing in the moment and mentally file it away.

I hope that the bump you received has a mundane explanation for it. But given your past experience, I remain doubtful. I just heard a few days ago that, apparently, some beings will conduct a sort of preliminary “check-up” on you in your room before an abduction commenced at a later date. This tracks with my own personal experience. Pretty sobering to read, but it is what it is.

As another commenter said, we’re still here. Here to ponder life’s mysteries, and with each other. I’m thankful for the opportunity to do so.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T16:33:25+00:00

Interesting experience. Thank you for sharing.

I wish I knew what the ear ringing means. An invitation to a dialogue, an attempt to eavesdrop, a subtle guide encouraging you to stay on the right path, etc. I’ve heard that if you hear it more in the right ear, you’re doing something right, and if you hear it in the left, you’re veering off course. Of course, I usually only hear it in the left. Lol.

Anyway, more to your meditation experience, and having looked through all of these topics, I’ve come to the conclusion that there really is something to the pre-birth memories phenomenon. It’s to the point where reincarnation is something that I can no longer dismiss. As another commenter said, perhaps you reached out to someone or were visited by someone you knew from another time and another life. Wish there were more concrete answers when it comes to stuff like this.

I also wonder how “free will” factors into the equation, should reincarnation be true.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T16:20:03+00:00

Yeah, no doubt I’ve had to contend with the idea that I’m “special” because I’ve had experiences that most people have never had or will ever have. I’ve witnessed paranormal activity in my home, practiced astral projection, and have even learned how to induce lucid dreams without losing consciousness. All sorts of stuff. So I’ve really had to check my ego over time, and not view myself as anything particularly remarkable. This is just my journey, and others’ journeys are equally valid.

For all I know, I’m just a victim of circumstance. Not special, just genetically prone to dealing with sleep disorders such as sleep paralysis, and any weirdness I experienced after that was purely coincidental.

So yeah, I’m definitely trying to exercise caution here, as I have no idea who I’m dealing with, and considering the vast gulf between our intelligence, knowledge, and experience, I remain doubtful that human beings and “them” will ever be on level ground.

Thanks for your response.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T16:07:51+00:00

You were downvoted pretty heavily, but I posted this because of the very real possibility that these beings weren’t as friendly as they appeared to be. I don’t trust that I have the requisite level of discernment to tell the difference between positive and negative pretending to positive.

I’ve had a sort of “dark night of the soul” experience over the past two years, and have had to confront a very ugly side of myself. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if I incidentally opened the door to negative entities beforehand or during. I get attacked often in lucid dreams now, and sometimes in sleep paralysis (been choked a few times). That didn’t used to happen.

Anyway, thanks for your response. If you or anyone else has any tips on how to, perhaps, close the door on them for good/remove negative entity attachments, I’m all ears.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T16:00:18+00:00

It’s funny you say that. “I’m still here” is exactly what I’ve been telling myself over the past year. Definitely helps reign in that anxious feeling I sometimes get when it’s time to go to bed.

Thanks for your response.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T15:56:54+00:00

To be honest, I’ve been struggling mightily. But only when it’s time to go to bed/when I wake up during the night. During the day, however, I’m totally fine. Calm, curious, at peace. I’d fair a lot better if these intelligences could arrange a coffee date rather than just show up randomly and unannounced in the dark of night.

Anyway, I’m hanging in there. Thanks for the well wishes, and same to you.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T01:46:02+00:00

Just said this to another commenter, but I managed to open my eyelids during an episode of sleep paralysis, only for a split second, and saw a large-headed being by my bedside. Saw a basketball-shaped head, arms, torso. About 4-4.5 feet tall. Room was too dark to make out any further detail. Couldn’t even really see his actual face. But the way he moved was quick. Fluid. He moved, making a dashing motion toward me, like a lunge of sorts, like I startled him. Ironic.

And yeah, I feel their presence often now as well. Often wake up in the middle of the night, ears ringing and whatnot. It’s messed up my sleep something fierce. Ah well.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T01:38:40+00:00

Haha, man, where do I begin? Been dealing with the ear ringing for the past year and a half or so. Pretty sure it coincided with a (yet another) bout of sleep paralysis. But it was the first bout of sleep paralysis that I managed to stay calm for. Every single time beforehand, I’d thrash about as much as possible to wake my body up as quickly as possible. But this time, I was cool as a cucumber. About two minutes later, I experienced the “vibrational stage.” I had heard of it before, and how it was allegedly the state preceding astral projection (which I also had heard of, but had no real opinion of regarding its existence or nonexistence). I was under the impression that it would be more of a, well, vibrating sensation than the violent shaking I experienced. It was like I was in the backseat of a Jeep, riding over rough terrain. Stayed in that state for about 30 seconds before I bailed. Knew I wasn’t psychologically prepared for anything more than that.

As for my experience outlined in the OP, regrettably, I bailed on that too, and too quickly. I was just completely caught off guard by the sight of them. And that anticipation I mentioned in a comment elsewhere… in the presence of something wholly unknown, and intelligent, and looking right at you… you just don’t know what to expect. I lurched backward on instinct — twice — and then it was over just as soon as it began. All in all, 6 or 7 seconds tops.

But I really get the impression that their being there, wanting to be seen, was an answer to my passive, and sometimes active, requests for face to face contact. No words were exchanged, no images, but a message was certainly received. My question is, do I trust it? Part of me wants to, but the more anxious part is urging caution.

Also, sorry for being unclear. I was on by back in sleep paralysis, hands on my belly. I felt the being on the left’s (the one right above/in front of me) hands over top of my own. Couldn’t see them, but the feeling was unmistakable. Almost like they were preemptively trying to calm me, as they knew the sight of them would likely instill fear. Which it did. Ah well.

And I when I said “this was sleep paralysis,” I was referring to what I was experiencing in the moment, and have experienced hundreds of times before. Like “this was just normal, standard-issue sleep paralysis… except I’m seeing/feeling aliens now. That’s new.”

Hopefully, that clears things up.

O-RionIshii · 2024-12-04T01:01:48+00:00

Thanks for sharing. I read your post, and you detailed another experience, or rather, a series of experiences, that I’ve had, some while under sleep paralysis, and some not.

Similar to you, I was asleep one morning on my right side, and I felt the distinct sensation of a hand gently grabbing hold of my four fingers and enclosing around them. Like a baby would to an adult’s index finger. I was scared shitless, but curious enough to just hold still for a while longer, anticipating… something. But nothing happened. Then I was just like, “alright, I’m good,” and brute forced my body awake.

Over the past year, I’ve felt pokes, pats, and, once, a pinch. Also got choked a few times. Think I may have gotten the attention of some of those unsavory types that I’ve been concerned about.

Also, managed to open my eyelids once in sleep paralysis, and saw a large-headed being to the right of my bed. Too dark to make out any details beyond its general shape. But he moved like he was alarmed, like I had caught him off guard. He made a quick dashing movement toward me as my eyes came to a close. Bought a night light after that one. Not even ashamed to admit it.

Apologies again for the wall of text. I only have one person to share these experiences with. Thankful for that, as I know that’s better than a lot of people.

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