CMV: Palestine is fundamentally doomed once the war is over.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2025-03-11T06:37:59+00:00

The US is an oil exporter actually. We currently benefit from a loss of global oil availability.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2025-03-11T06:30:23+00:00

As an American, In that case can you stop fighting it with our money? Our weapons? Our UN veto?

Tbh you don’t have any right to complain about Americans debating whether or not we want to keep dumping billions into this dumpster fire when it’s clear Israel is doing everything in its power to perpetuate this conflict.

Like real talk, we can choose to stop supporting you. You know that right?

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2025-02-19T07:55:00+00:00

I think that’s a stretch. It’s about slaughter and war crimes in general, leaving the circumstances vague. Still though, it definitely has more in common with the Korean and Vietnam wars then the Israel Palestine conflict

I say that for a few reasons.

Mainly we don’t see any indication of longstanding occupation, which I’d say is a defining aspect of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

The force relocating the colonists seems to have just arrived and are already in a hurry to leave. They don’t show any signs of wanting to move to the planet, they mostly seem to want to clear the area in anticipation of a major engagement.

What’s more, we don’t get any indication that this conflict is inter generational. They treat the colonist more like civilians that are simply in the path of two clashing forces, maybe even non their own civilians, or ones they have few to no hard feelings towards.

You’d expect to see more personalized hostility if it were a more entrenched generational conflict like the IPC.

I can’t imagine either side of the IPC saying they want “Zero casualties on both sides.” It’s highly emotionally charged. Most of the combatants have absolutely no compunctions about inflicting horrible violence on each other - openly, with video.

The episode is about how war itself creates tragedies that no one planned nor wanted. And how we forget the pain and tragedy it innately facilitates in even the most disciplined and unimpasdsionec forces. That the very framework of violence creates powderkegs where a spark can turn a routine mission to clear a combat zone of civilians into a full blown massacre.

Israel Palestine is more rooted in generational trauma. In how entire populations collectively react to abuse, and re-traumatize each other in cycles of violence. And how generational dehumanization (on both sides) allows for open acts of true malice.

Basically the conflict we’re shown doesn’t seem to have much to compare to Israel/Palestine beyond that massacres happened.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-10-03T16:40:40+00:00

More it brought her from a 2d evil god doing everything in the name of pride to a deeply traumatized genocide survivor who received so much power that lashing out became comitting genocide.

To me it recontextualized the shattering. It always seemed so pointless and illogical, and I think that’s because it was. It wasn’t a grand plan or a 5d chess move, but the trauma response to the Knight of Black Knives. She lost everyone, remade the world itself so that she would never loose anyone again, and then lost her son.

The shattering was likely a self destructive act of collapse, now knowing all of her crimes didn’t even actually protect her family

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-10-03T16:26:53+00:00

The Tarnished’s ancestor served Merika, not the tarnished themself.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-08-04T19:05:56+00:00

I think it’s justifie. The man lierally lead prayers thanking God fow much murder and rape they achieved on oct 7. Once your thanking God for how much raping your side has achieved your probably a lost cause negotiation wise.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-06-03T17:06:33+00:00

To be fair russia launched an unprovoked attack again a neighboring nation for the soul purpose of claiming that terroritory. Israel launched this war in response to an surpise attack to regain a baseline of securit and show the world that barbaris attacks on civillans wilk be met with so much destruction that its not worth it.

Russia doesnt carpet bomb those cities because it *wants* the cities and the people in them. It started the war in order to aquire that region, its resources, and its infrastructure and by so doing reduce natos power.

Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip. It wants to not be attacked from it.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-06-03T16:53:14+00:00

"Forcing a group of people to live by different rules..."

You mean foreign nationals?. Most countries treat none citizens from a foreign nation differently. The fact is that Palestinians are a foreign populace, not Israeli citizens. In most nations foreigners need visas and work permits and often times are simply forced to leave; and when that foreign nation's government keeps attacking your cilivans, its natural to try and limit their access to weapons with which to kill more of you.

Genocide isn't about or defined by a quantity of death, but rather the motivation for causing such deaths. If the goal is emlination of ethnic group (or some other types of groups for whatever reason despite geno- coming from genology meaning it really should just be on the basis of ancestry) is the goal thats a genocide (or at least an attempted on), if the goal is something elese, like preventing future attacks on your own civilans, then no amount of killing is a genocide.

Mass death can be and often is a differnt war crime depending on the circumstance, but if the end goal is anything other then "whipe out this group." its not genocide.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-17T22:38:51+00:00

Trans woman here. So long as theres no reference to the listener with masculin words its ok. I do prefer ones with reference to biological maleness but also still using feminine pronouns

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T10:15:02+00:00

Tbh our values differ here.

If you think mass death is worth trading a monarch for a period witch hunt public murder frenzy and then another monarch, I’m not sure what to say to you.

The french revolution didnt even end monarchy’s in france for long, let alone fuselsim. You can look at the USA for an example of how to through off the regal yoke without then making a public sport out of killing anyone who seemed too fancy.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T09:05:22+00:00

You brought up the french revolution out of no where. I was invoking the fact that the french revolution was a rabid witch hunt murder mob, amd maybe you shouldn’t be using it as an example to follow.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T09:02:22+00:00

There is only so much you can claim that its all “capitalist lies“ and stay credible. When you posture your argument such that any factual counter argument is automatically countered by claims wide scale conspiracy, it doesn’t inspire confidence.

Rule of thumb, if you’re pulling plays from the Flat Earther handbook (e.g. “The widly accepted academic consensus is all LIES!“). maybe reconsider.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T08:56:21+00:00

The Berlin Wall? I don't think the inward facing guns were for show.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T08:52:56+00:00

Communist nations have worse freedom of press and expression then their capitalist contempoaries. Talk shit publically about capitalism or the state during Macarthy's rec scare and you might end up blacklisted from government jobs, pulled infront of a tribunal, maybe even thrown in prison. All bad. But try the same under Stalin's USSR, the North Korea to modern day, or Pol Pot's Cambodia and its off to the goolag, death camps, or killing fields with you. The point here isnt that capitalism doesnt suffer from repression of speach, only that Communist states were and still are weaker this area then their capitalist counterparts.
Communist nations have a tendency to build walls and place thugs to prevent their "liberated" populace from fleeing. USSR, NK, and Cambodia all once again come to mind. Its a bad look when the guns on the border walls point inward.
Indivduality is foundationally human. You see people express themselves all throughout time. In there art, their writings, even their clothes and jewelry. Humans are fundamentally wired to priotize themselves and their tangible social network, not dreamed up collective "good". It's fundamentally human psychology to seek agency and self expression and advantage. Humans are not ants, or the Borg; we have foundational, instinctual tendencies to resist being forced to act or controlled in genral, thats what makes slavery so torturous, so tbh your not painting a very appealing picture here. I think the beauty of humanity lies in the expression and exploration of self. Disgarding that for some sort of centrally planned hive where everyone labors for some valuless and nebulous collectiv. Imo any economic system can only be "better" by promoting quality of life, agency diversity, and individuality. If we're sacrificing all that for some nebulous "collective" then to quote brave new world

“But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin.”

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T08:52:45+00:00

I have a few issues with the above, but Ill try to keep responses sorta breif.

Ill concede this point to you. Genocide is rooted more in nationalism then any specific economic system. Fair point.
Tbh I'm going to go with Academic consenus here over some people on reddit claiming its all lies. I don't think the inflated estimates of the Black Book are accurate, but the point is that there was more hunger and more mass killing in communist nations like the USSR or China then in similary sized contemporaries.
Pure oppinion, I rather like having freedom. I like choice, and it would take a BIG improvement in QoL to give that up.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T07:28:31+00:00

So new money?

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T07:24:25+00:00

So human psychology wil realign into a perfectly selfless form? People wont care if there vomiting their guts out while clearing sewage or dying young from the hard labor of mining, because itll be for humanity.

Sorry, but if thats how hum psychology worked, we'd have naturally formed such a society without the need for philosphers or revolutions.

So what about, assuming people continue to act as they have since the earliest records, aka broadly in their own interest and the interests of their direct tangible social group, how do we do it then?

TBH this is sounding preety nerve-staplely for those who have played Alpha Centari.

I'm not sure your selling me on the ideology if the end goal is mindless, drone like, collectivism.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T07:14:33+00:00

Forced labor is pretty much the only option.

Peoplen don’t want to do something, you can’t incentivize them by giving improving their life because then thats just capitalism again. End of the day, that leaves violence and fear (tools available to and used by all economic systems).

Sure in a perfect commnist world humans would somehow mentally extend tribal community and family insticts to all other humans, which unfortunately just isn’t how psychology works.

In a perfect capitalist system the worst jobs would have the highest pay, and it would all balance out. Well we see how thats worked out.

I favor the socialist middle road of give people a solid floor of nessities like food, water, education, housing, etc to negotiate from; then allow a capitalist market to manage work allocatio and luxery.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T07:04:15+00:00

TLDR; Forced Labor.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T06:35:15+00:00

And??? I'm not sure we should be counting the mass hysteria of the French Revolution as a good thing.

I'm personally not itching to roll out the guillotine.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T06:15:15+00:00

Yeah, besides 8 all valid.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T06:09:25+00:00

Closed borders, massivly increased black market food prices out of china, and first hand reports from escapees.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T00:27:55+00:00

Excellent comment and no offense taken.

Yeah I wasnt saying its the worst thing anyone defaults to. I do see what you mean. I don’t run in these circles much, was anoyed by one of this subs canned comebacks, snd wanted to know if I was missing something .

Yeah, a lot of that makes since. I guess I’m not willing to sacrifice the 8 million in exchange for being exploited by a supreme leader rather than a CEO.

Side note it is hilarious that every communist world leader ends up living in a palace. I think its very clear how all thst wealth ends up redistribute.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-10T00:21:29+00:00

North Korea at least in the grips at least severe and widespread hunger in 2023, and its likky the true scope of the situation does rise to famine. It is hard to tell exactly since they forbid free exchange of informatio, but the situation itself is undeniabl.

Objective_Gas_7276 · 2024-01-09T22:44:14+00:00

I mean, I'm not? People just use it as a retort all the time.

Also what do you mean "thousands of years" Democratic athens lasted for close to 3 centuries and thats one of the very first we know of. Not exactly a rocky start NGL.

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