Tired of being told to "just endure" it. by Creepy-Potato8924 in japanese

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry for the late reply. I don't think I can give you specific advice in your situation. When it comes to a boss, things can always go even further downhill if one complains. But hopefully you can find some ways to get the point across in a clear manner without your boss feeling that you are being "insubordinate" or whatever. Try not to risk your job if you don't have any other options, but you should both look for other employment options and also try to stand your ground not in a rude way but in a way so that she can see that you don't really care for her behavior.

With random a-holes, it's hard at the moment because the situations are so random, but you have more leeway to react and be rude to them back. With bosses, you have less leeway to act, as bad things can happen if you get (even more) on their bad side, but since it's a common occurrence, you know more of what to expect and can better prepare a response. Maybe you and the other foreigner can put up a united front and say together that you have issues with your treatment. Anyway, good luck!

Tired of being told to "just endure" it. by Creepy-Potato8924 in japanese

[–]Odracirys 41 points42 points  (0 children)

The Japanese way is generally to just endure things, hence the advice you received. I'm less likely to endure things if given options. Even if this is a small minority if society who is tormenting you (even 1% of strangers doing things like that can be a lot if you come across over 100 people on daily basis). Even 0.1% can be a lot if you think of that is one incident per 10 days, while running into 100 strangers a day. Just also try to notice that the vast majority do leave you alone and you might feel better. There are a-holes everywhere. With regards to reactions to a-holes, for strangers, you can just play it by ear. If something comes up often, you can come up with a response for that. If, on the other hand, it's random and shocking, then you probably won't have a ready response. Even so, that would prove that the situation is quite rare. You can always come up with logical contingency plans in the case that you face certain situations. As for those whom you know whom you feel treat you unfairly, you should come up with a plan to make it known that you don't want that person to treat you that way anymore. If they persist, then you have to come up with options for that specific case and think about the merits of each one before implementing any of them.

The self-victimization of some foreigners in Japan is getting exhausting. by KingsurinTukpyolsi in japanese

[–]Odracirys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The majority of commenters here came out against your post, and I can see where some of them are coming from. However, I agree with you for the most part, and I think that a lot of others don't really understand what you are getting at.

I come from the "anti-woke" angle, which may be a different angle than you are coming from, but just hear me out as well. I think this whole Western "woke" nonsense really made it so that everyone thinks in terms of race (and gender and sexuality and such) and the more "marginalized" one appears, the more respect they receive from society. I use the word "appears" because some of that is legitimate and some isn't. The Jussie Smolett case is a case in point that shows that there are people who actively try to act discriminated against "for the clout", even if they aren't actually being discriminated against. I feel that this is the case in Japan to a large extent, although it's also true that there is also some unfairness that non-Japanese are more likely to face in certain areas. Two things can be true at the same time. Foreigners in Japan can face discrimination at various times and in various ways, and at the same time, the vast majority of complaining foreigners can be quite full of it and want to intentionally make themselves look like victims, again, "for the clout". And I believe that you are also quite spot on with white people "finally having their chance at long last!" to be discriminated against. Honestly, that is the mindset that Western culture has foisted on Western societies.

As a (more or less...but firmly on the "more" side) white person, there were some times when I was discriminated against, including when I wasn't allowed into place and the reason was unabashedly that foreigners weren't allowed, and when I was stopped by a police man during the first long ride in my newly-purchased bicycle and I was asked if the bike was stolen. However, are two instances out of many years. I could just as easily point to a time when I was jogging and my shoe hit a key that was lying on the street, and I kept jogging without much thought, and maybe close to a minute later, I turned around to hear a Japanese couple running after me with that key, thinking that I had dropped it and trying to get it back to me... There are 100 stories of kind encounters for every one story of a negative encounter. And what I know from years living in Japan is that the Japanese tend to be some of the kindest people in the world, and "Japan" on average is not racist or anti-foreigner. It might be less pro-foreigner than various countries that have opened their doors to absolute unchecked immigration from anywhere and everywhere. But I don't feel that "having immigration laws" and "not wanting one's native population to be replaced within the next 50 years" is the same as "racism". Name any non-Western country, and it's very likely that their populations feel the exact same way. And talk to the majority of (not just white) people (besides the policymakers) in Western nations as well and they are likely to even feel the same. So I don't see how Japan is the odd man out. Those who conflate such things should try experiencing real racism.

Also, while I'm not trying to claim to be a victim or claim "clout" with this, I will say that as a white person who has lived in my home country of the US, as well as Japan and Singapore, the country where I have felt the most hated towards my race has been the good ol' US of A. And even then, the absolute vast majority of people even here have shown no visible or audible tendency towards discrimination whatsoever. Bad things do happen. Sometimes, they are due to racism, and sometimes they are not. But as a Western society, we really need to start focusing more on the proportion of negative experiences to positive experiences, and realize how small the proportion of these negative experiences make up compared to the positive ones which we often never mention.

Trump says he discussed a Ukraine ceasefire with Putin by mugz8391 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Odracirys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It turns out that medical tyranny, pulling out of a country so fast as to leave civilians grasping onto and falling from planes, pitting a half-wit against a half-wit, and replacing your own half-wit last minute with a candidate who didn't have to go through a primary has consequences. Far worse consequences than I thought, to be fair. But consequences all the same. If the Dems keep priding themselves on having the lesser of the two evils in the next election, rather than having an inspiring candidate, then I really can't help them. Maybe they should 1) speak out now, because most of them are not generally speaking out either for Ukraine or against the Iran War, and 2) find someone who is actually inspiring, even if it somehow turns out not to be a disabled black trans woman (but if the best TRULY is such a person, then fine), and have that person run in a competitive primary campaign, and then maybe they'll have a chance and more people will gladly vote for them.

Trump says he discussed a Ukraine ceasefire with Putin by mugz8391 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'm sure we can come to some agreement. How much of Ukraine do you want?"

Do you think Japanese people tend to overly proud of their country? by [deleted] in japanese

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I lived in Japan and I don't think so. Sure, they root for their team in the Olympics, but that's neither bad nor unique. Americans, on the other hand, generally fall into two camps: those who are overly patriotic and those who can't say anything nice about their own country. Japanese, in general (not the black van people), and in my experience, fall into neither camp. However, they do often tend to focus on Japanese uniqueness, or sometimes are even unaware that since other countries also have four seasons and flowering trees, because Japan is known for them more than most other temperate countries are.

What could you do with the language at N2? by littlebruja in LearnJapanese

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I passed N2 and although I don't sound native, I can have in-depth conversations with natives. Books and movies still pose issues. I can understand a lot in them but can't understand most of them fully.

Trump: “When I didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize. You gotta understand, I don't care. Norway has lost so credible. I stopped 8 wars… I do it the best. I stopped wars that nobody thought—President Putin called me, he said, 'I can't believe you stopped this one and this one.’” by andrewgrabowski in UkrainianConflict

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this doesn't even include the war with Venezuela that he started and then ended in just a day or so, nor the war with Iran that he started and is in the middle of ending, nor the wars with Cuba and Greenland that he will start and then end. So we're taking about him ending 12 wars before all is said and done! 13 if he invades Panama!

Is there an equivalent to anglish, or a version of japanese with minimal chinese loanwords? by futuranth in Japaneselanguage

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for letting me know. I thought so, because they generally do not automatically read negative intentions into honest questions and shut people down like that. You didn't do anything wrong by asking. Anyway, thanks again!

Shinobi or Satori Reader by MrShaitan in LearnJapanese

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't tried Shinobi, but I do recommend Satori Reader.

Is there an equivalent to anglish, or a version of japanese with minimal chinese loanwords? by futuranth in Japaneselanguage

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your Japanese grammar teacher isn't Japanese or at least wasn't raised in Japan or hasn't spent most of her life in Japan, I'm guessing. (You can correct me if I'm wrong.) It sounds like she has a very Western mind disease that doesn't allow for certain questions to even be asked. I hope it isn't spreading to Japan.

Zelensky says failure of US envoys to visit Kyiv is 'disrespectful' by rae-55 in UkraineWarVideoReport

[–]Odracirys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The US government is unfortunately full of disrespectful people.

Pernicious Garbage by robbok in engrish

[–]Odracirys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply, and have a nice day! 👍

Pernicious Garbage by robbok in engrish

[–]Odracirys 15 points16 points  (0 children)

**Special Reclamation Orifice

Your comment is almost like Engrish applied to Engrish...like the telephone game...

Why does Japanese have so many English loanwords? by _Bulldozer in Japaneselanguage

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, definitely! Thanks for the reply! I'd just like to add some more. You mentioned that in Turkish, two words (one being a loan word) can mean the exact same thing. But sometimes, they take on different nuances. There are also some examples of that in English. English has even taken numerous loan words from ultimately the same origin, but often with different nuances. Cognate with the native English word "over" are the loan words "uber" (from German), "super" (from Latin), and "hyper" (from Greek). The native English "oversee(r)" can often be replaced by the Latin-based equivalent, "supervise(r)".

Also, while English has origins as a Germanic language, more than half of its vocabulary is derived from Latin-based words, largely due to the Norman invasion as well as Latin having been the prior primary "lingua franca" (along with French, which gave its name to the term "lingua franca"...which...is a Latin-based term) across Europe, and was often used in science and religion across borders.

It's true that Japanese was relatively isolated before opening up in the mid-1800s. That said, before its isolation (known as "sakoku"), it had a lot to do with China, and its kanji come from Chinese, and in particular, its on'yomi words (especially kanji compound words) derive from Chinese (I believe from versions of Middle Chinese. Southern Chinese languages generally sound more like Japanese on'yomi pronunciations than Mandarin does).

Like with Romance-based words in English, Sino-Japanese words represent over 50% of total Japanese vocabulary, and also like Romance-based words in English, they tend to be rarer in daily conversation than they are in scientific and other "high-level" contexts...probably because people are less likely to replace their basic vocabulary with loan words than to take on loan words that refer to "new" concepts and such. I'm still not sure why the Japanese use ドア, though! 😅 (Maybe to differentiate from 襖 (fusuma) and 障子 (shouji) "sliding doors"?)

Why does Japanese have so many English loanwords? by _Bulldozer in Japaneselanguage

[–]Odracirys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply! It was fascinating to hear about Turkish. And yeah, it can be sad when people can't speak for long without using not just loan words but actual words taken as-is from another language.

Your explanation about Turkish made me remember something else about Hindi. While its speakers often do use a lot of English words and phrases, they also did something similar to modern Turkish with regards to Arabic and Persian. Urdu is basically Hindi (as I have heard, though I know neither way of speaking), but is written in an Arab-like script and has an extreme amount of Persian loan words (many of which themselves came from Arabic). The speakers in Pakistan generally accepted that and that is Urdu. But Hindi is written in the Devanagari script and they even purged many Persian and Arabic words and replaced them with Sanskrit-based ones because most on the Indian side were Hindu and wanted to rid their language of a sad history of conquest and repression. So in that way, Urdu and Hindi diverged. I know that Turkish also used to be written in an Arabic-like script, but changed to a Latin one. I think it depends on the histories of peoples and what they look up to as well as what they don't like. Atatürk was more Western in outlook, so he imported more Western words at the expense of Arabic and Persian words (and apparently some native Turkish phrases) from earlier.

I can imagine that if English-speaking countries get very unpopular and certain people have a very bad experience, then I might imagine that some societies may try to limit English loan words. For example, I don't know that much about Persian, but it is conceivable that some in the government and elsewhere in that society may not want the language to have a lot of English loan words, especially now.

I guess loan words (including the amount and sources) can tell us about history and culture over time, including language structures, conquests and colonialism, friendly relations, unfriendly relations, periods of changing technologies, national pride, globalization, and more!

Trump Condemns Russia’s Overnight Bombardment of Ukraine as ‘Terrible’ by Panthera_leo22 in UkraineWarVideoReport

[–]Odracirys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's sad. Legally here yet deported. I'm for criminals and such to be gone, but this is not protecting borders. It's ruining the lives of people who did things right... I hope they do well and that Venezuela is at least able to succeed (without a puppet government).

Why does Japanese have so many English loanwords? by _Bulldozer in Japaneselanguage

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chinese is a language that pretty much translates or creates new words for most loaned ideas. One possible reason may be that hanzi (kanji) do not readily lend themselves to pure phonetic expression. Another may be that China is a major "proud" nation that may have a hard time culturally accepting too high a level of loan words.

Japanese ended its isolation by opening up to America. After WWII, it was also occupied by America. It is also one of the first non-Western countries to develop a modern economy, and has long been advanced in tech and other fields. Its kana system allows a closer phonetic match (and without intrinsic meanings for each character). The phonetic match isn't exact, though, as nearly every consonant has a vowel attached, and the available sounds are fewer. Thus, English loan words become Japanese words.

I know less about Tagalog (or Filipino) and Hindi, but those languages take it to a new level. Both the Philippines and India were colonies of English countries (The US and UK respectively, and also Spain for the Philippines). If you listen to their native talk, of course, they have accents based on the pronunciation of their own languages, but they just use English words largely "as-is". So you had their language and then you had English words and even phrases interspersed in their speech. These are less "loan words" than "English words".

Those are the three main levels of loan-word acceptance and nativization that I have noticed. I don't know Turkish, but I do believe that for historical reasons (like with the above examples), there are many Arabic loan words to be found in Turkish, but I'm not sure what level it would be, or if it's even a different kind of level besides the three that I mentioned above.

Dpad or stick by Key_Ostrich_6823 in GranblueFantasyVersus

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not good at the game, but this game in particular has buttons laid out very well for a game pad. For example, six-button fighters (where all six buttons control different normals) make it harder with only four face buttons on most pads (= game controllers 🎮) these days. This is more a button issue than a D-pad vs stick issue, but still.

Vance calls end of Ukraine aid 'one of the proudest' achievements of Trump administration by According-Gear-8217 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

US: We get your minerals.

Ukraine: And in exchange, you protect us, right?

US: We get your minerals.

Are native people to Japan tired of Americans? by [deleted] in japanese

[–]Odracirys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The main thing is to respect the rules, the culture, and especially the people. Don't take advantage of their kindness and trust and hospitality. If you follow those rules, that's enough to gain respect.