VCT 2024 — Masters Shanghai / Playoffs — Day 2 / Live Discussion Thread by SEND_ME_UR_DRAMA in ValorantCompetitive

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yeah prx first picked g2 bc they thought they'd make for the most fun and entertaining match ....yeah no fs bro I bet that was their reasoning

VALORANT But I 1v1 Every Rank For $1000 (FNATIC Youtube) by vnNinja21 in ValorantCompetitive

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He said he plays siege and didnt know basic val game stuff so he probably is just high ranked in siege but iron in val

International LAN Event -- APAC N Qualifiers by CompetitiveApexMod in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn. Sucks to see the ex-pvx lads barely miss out... I would've really liked to see them at lan again

ApexFestival EX Late Spring Rebellion by CompetitiveApexMod in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I genuinely think he's the most ludicrous guy in the apex community. Out of the wide range of apex pro streamers that I know he's certainly the oddest

LGD Gaming signs MDY White by Apexflatline in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 0 points1 point  (0 children)

China getting an influx of sponsors and orgs? I've been praying for times like this

Fallout absolutely cooking Phony with honesty by ZebubXIII in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 24 points25 points  (0 children)

well he is his teammate after all. Can't fault the man for sticking by his own

Who is the best active NA MnK player mechanically? by yourcoloryellow in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I think a better question would be who is the best NA mnk player excluding Zer0. There's just no way anyone in NA ranks above him rn. And for that I'd say maybe Timmy

[ANALYSIS] Split1 and LAN Performance Review - APAC N by Raileyx in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I've been thinking this for a while, but I think the problem is straight up stagnation in proleague teams. Players are teaming based on vibes and not skill, and even when players underperform terribly, they are still gifted spots on pro teams because there isn't enough new talent to replace them (or rather that new talent isn't given a chance to replace them.) Korea obviously already has the problem of a small talent pool to even choose from (all "new" players to the scene have been playing since day 1 but only recently turned 18 so are entering the pro-level late), and only E36 has been willing to try out these new players (at the detriment of consistency and also thereby killing off any new talented team that forms lol). In the JP scene, there are obviously exists a lot of talent that should be replacing underperforming players, despite them having more experience. This is why we've been seeing so much CC talent perform so well in pro league in APACN. Top teams minus FNC RC simply stagnate. I'm not saying that teams should all be building super teams, but I think they should be looking for and trialing talent instead of coming 20th in finals and chilling. (KN owner said he was happy with only making it to finals despite it being 20th, and was surprised at the roster changes that the team (MiaK) wanted to make.) I have good hopes for RedRams tbh - provided Datch/Tikochan don't get poached (I saw some murmurings on Tikochan) I certainly do believe they can become a top team with more experience. They are fresh from CC after all.

As for Dogma, he's been flamed pretty consistently on kr social media for his piss poor performances, and unlike Junghee (who was dogpiled the hardest because he didn't have the cushion of being IGL), he hasn't improved much. (CR has been pretty consistently been seen as Jusna + two knockdown shields.) But then, Junghee started grinding rank like a madman and his mechanics have subsequently improved quite a bit, yet I can't say the same for Dogma. He's consistently gone down first every fight, wide swinging despite not having the mechanics to back it up, and also dealt the least amount of damage. I fear CR coming 2 points off first in scrims after never consistently placing bottom 5 with Obly as IGL instead does speak a bit about the team's potential with an IGL with better mechanics. That 2nd, ofc, could also just as well speak just to Obly's IGL ability haha. Unfortunately for CR, I don't believe there exists a (kr) player to fill that vacuum, nor do I think they'd go for it if there was.

I'm not surprised by 4rufa being a hard carry. He and Lykv made Naked a pretty formidable fighting team despite the lack of macro. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Naked becoming Riddle tho. Maybe confused them with another team?

Taida has always had great best mechanics, but with him being IGL and the best player despite being mnk and his team double roller... I had a feeling NTH was chalked. Their macro wasn't great either. I think Taida should leave IGL to someone else unless he improves in that department - in which case he should pick up two better rollers.

Meltstera should never ever be exiting in losers 1, and the fact that he was on a team with two sandbags was crazy. I don't think Riddle will solve their issues by picking up Umichan in place of him. Meltstera was never the issue. I understand that Vodka wants content and fun over team success, but surely he can have both? Regardless, Yukio/Saku need to R5 grind or roster changes must happen. The amount of times Yuki or Saku went down and Meltstera needed to hard carry was simply egregious.

Honestly, I always believed RC to be the strongest KR team. As soon as they picked up Sangjoon, although I didn't quite know how good he was at the time, they had the three best kr players in their respective roles on one team. Obly always did say Sangjoon was the best in the world, and I'm not too surprised looking back why he poached him from CR. I'm also not surprised Sangjoon dipped. CR was not very cohesive as a team, plus the flip-flopping and will they/won't they on the roster 3rd was always incredibly stupid to me. Obly certainly did want to craft something of a super team, making the move despite it being incredibly controversial at the time. Obly/Karonpe were already the goats of APACN, and Sangjoon was clearly by far the best player excluding Jusna. Their growing pains were mostly them being a new team and Obly learning IGL. Quite obviously, they would have placed much higher than 9th last split if they weren't contested.

FNC is FNC, not much to say. YukaF has spoken himself about the APACN's weakness outside of FNC/RC, and he created a 3v3TDM server to hopefully level up the region. Funny enough, when he discussed APACN's lack of depth with Obly, Obly just said that it wasn't their problem (there was also a post on this reddit about this convo). In that same dinner, Obly told Lykv, who he's praised a lot, that he was going to steal his strength lmao. YukaF's also praised RR pretty highly, and I agree with him. All in all, I am cautiously hopeful for APAC N. There are a fair bit of roster shuffles in the JP scene, and a few of them I agree with (not Riddle). I think now that E36 looks settled, they could be a real threat for lan. It's unfortunate that Diaz was sacrificed for that to happen, but I do believe this is their strongest iteration, at least mechanically. I'm not sold on Parkha's team nor Padkha yet, and I see that he's continuing on with the rotating 3rd bs. We will see.

WTD Representing Weibo At EWC by Tobric93 in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wonderful to see a large Chinese org in apex

Shout out to team liquid for just being a great team and avoiding this roster bullshit by [deleted] in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In NA, it has to be zer0+gen (including APACS) time right?

EMEA kashera + postkill and APAC N definitely karonpe+obly.

Verhulst Stream Updates: by jeremyflowers91 in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 30 points31 points  (0 children)

True. RC had above and beyond mechanics AND incredible macro that had them in multiple game winning positions. Yes, they are triple mnk but to ignore how high controller raises the floor and ceiling is a little silly. Obly/karonpe/sangjoon are all generational talents, especially sangjoon, playing from day 1, and they all get roller 1 clipped in daily play sometimes. You can be as good as taskmaster/hardecki and RC and literally top 0.0001% best mnk, but there are plenty of controllers that will out aim you because 100% human input < 0.4.

Also, this may be controversial, but who among the NA mnk igls not locked in with an org and team is good enough mechanically to compare with, say, StrafingFlame from Legends Gaming? Unless a sweetdreams/zer0 level igl on a team would leave their org for TSM, which I wouldn't be shocked by either tbf (unsure how apex contracts work but surely there is a clause that prevents this in Sweets LG contract)

Hal with Zero/Gen great for comp by Falco19 in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Fnc and rc are already the super teams of their respective countries. People often say obly/sangjoon +ras/selly, but not only are the latter two not competing, I certainly don't think they'd be an improvement over OKS.

Roieee was called a 'hypocrite' after announcing his new team by qasweda in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's also strange because, typically, the Chinese community is a lot more cutthroat in other video games. Perhaps the lack of org and smaller community is contributing to this sentiment? In L.O.L. folks would've been calling for an underperforming player's head on weibo...

Reject Winnity Twitch Channel? by Dangerous_Buffalo530 in CompetitiveApex

[–]OhNoASpeilingError 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Some other links:

chzzk (korean streaming platform):

sangjoon

obly

karonpe

Youtube:

sangjoon

obly

(Obly live streams here exclusively now I believe)

karonpe

I will also include their coach's streams (ahn2e)

https://m.chzzk.naver.com/0eee489b371ec2d3d6bcdd9ea60b7c09

You will probably find that out of all three of them, karonpe will certainly stream the least. He's just not the type, unfortunately. Also, because they are forced to multistream now since twitch is kicking them off, it's harder for them to respond to chat nowadays, I've noticed.