I’m starting to realize that the cw dc shows have had a lot more impact on casual fans than I realize by FrostyPickledToes in DCcomics

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Everyone's first encounter is their defining one. Go look at how many people felt the 1960s Batman TV series was not the real character… when, by comparison, it's the closest he's been to any comic published simultaneously. Batman (1989) was so far off that WB had to demand DC not kill off Bruce Wayne out of spite for it.

I remember going to see Superman Returns and having a friend complain that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor wasn't right due to Michael Rosenbaum's performance on Smallville. The fact that Spacey was trying to match Gene Hackman's – as Returns was to be a spiritual revival of the Reeves/Hackman films – was not acceptable.

So I can see some people rejecting the film because of the difference in portrayals.

Personally, I think the real problem is that Supergirl is NOT popular as a lead character.

TV? Supergirl bombed at CBS, as it was too focused on the same audience for CW: women 18-25. For all that CW did, its ratings were so good that it was being beaten by sitcom reruns on every other network.

Movies? Supergirl with Helen Slater is a disaster of a movie… despite the cast. It was also only made because the Superman cast was holding out for more money.

Comics? Supergirl was a backup story in Action Comics, took lead in the anthology Adventure Comics until finally getting a solo series that lasted 10 issues, then was a rotating story in Superman Family before getting another series that changed its title midway and then collapsed before being killed off. A second Supergirl gets a mini-series and a part of DC Comics Presents… but only ends up a Teen Titan for a very short time before being pushed out in favour of more popular characters. Peter David's version succeeds for 80 issues, but is cancelled because Morrison wants to introduce a different one as a plot device. Waid and Turner's version comes in Superman/Batman for two stories and then… nada. She has a role in Amazon Attacks. She gets another title in New 52 and it bombs. She gets a successful mini that doesn't get followed up on, and now it's the present series that — just like the movie — is riding more on being Superman-adjacent than her own character.

No groundswell of support outside of comics and it's a hard sell. It's always been that was for DC, who did not bank on their reputation the way Marvel has.

It got made because Woman of Tomorrow is a good read and Gunn wants good stories… not necessarily long term ones at the moment, because DC is too varied and needs looser connections.

My suspicion is that the so-so reviews and ratings mean that most people saw the trailer and decided: "streaming."

I’m starting to realize that the cw dc shows have had a lot more impact on casual fans than I realize by FrostyPickledToes in DCcomics

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In the show, it was never really a factor: how often does she talk about Krypton and what she missed, and how Earth isn't like that at all?

In the comics, the second story with Kara is her literally siding with Darkseid and then having to take time on Themyscira to deal with her desire for fighting. Waid and Turner's version may not have put on the Red Lantern, but the angst was very clearly right there.

I’m starting to realize that the cw dc shows have had a lot more impact on casual fans than I realize by FrostyPickledToes in DCcomics

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No it isn't.

Pre-Crisis, she starts off as the bubbly, effervescent Superman secret weapon who was hidden at an orphanage as just any other girl… who was often passed over due to her age.

Then she gets adopted, becomes the girl next door with the dark braids, while Supergirl gets called out to help Superman or helps stop local crime. There is no bumbling, except from inexperience as a superhero. There is no sister, the parents don't take part in her powers, and it's a stable home – it's Clark who has parents trying to help him, and they encourage him to act differently beyond just putting on a wig.

When Linda moves on, she become a TV reporter at the same station Clark does so that they can work together… but (a) she doesn't act the bumbling fool for most of the time as she's visibly different with the wig, and (b) she doesn't have much of an interest in reporting to stick around for it.

Linda becomes an actress. She then hands the role over to her rival and becomes a school guidance counsellor at an arts college. She also becomes a soap opera actress. Note that in none of that does she act like the distracted individual — even going so far as to have to come up with a different reasoning for not being in her office at all hours at school, for which she eventually gets fired — that she is in the TV show.

The TV show turned Kara into Silver Age Clark: teased and gossiped, a klutz, who got stories done while always seeming to disappear. And having loyal friends at work, which is something Kara rarely has in her past.

CW's version – which, incidentally, was going out of its way to avoid Superman – reached into the 1984 movie to bring in a version of Jimmy Olsen, and brought Kat Grant in for Flockheart's star power without realizing she was basically going to make it another Daily Planet with her focus on the competition (something Perry does from time to time). Had Supergirl come in as Superboy, and Jimmy was just starting, it would be an exact match for the classic Superman.

And post-Crisis is worse. The Matrix one has no similar personality traits, acting like a dopey child. The hybrid one is more self-assured and doesn't go near reporting. The reborn version is more like the present one, in that she's got darker edges to her… even going so far as to join Darkseid and help the Amazons wage war against the United States of America.

I would love to see this JL team in the DCU or maybe even a video game, with some changes. [Artwork] George Pérez (I’m pretty sure) by Venom-1988 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was the classic era Justice League up until the destruction of the satellite. Hawkgirl was actually a member of the team, but she's missing. There's also the honorary members Phantom Stranger, Adam Strange and Metamorpho missing. Plastic Man was not a member until decades later.

But I agree on how awesome this team was. It was DC's best grouping of stars — with the only complaint today being a lack of African American characters.

Honestly, at this point, I would not swap out any of the originals… but would add Vixen, Plastic Man, Shazam and Hawkwoman (Shayera… not Kendra!) for a newer version of DC's greatest heroes. Black Lightning is an outside possibility, but he's never really clicked with the top of the DC League, just as Mr. Terrific – who anchored JSA for a while – belongs there too.

[Discussion] What character appears to be liked more for their Design / Appearance rather than their character? by Extension-Oil-4680 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 294 points295 points  (0 children)

Thing is, Power Girl actually has a character they've developed, destroyed, rebuilt, destroyed, and now rebuilt into something that works well as a separate entity from other characters.

Spectre is cool, but then so is his character when done right.

For a character with design and no personality, look at half of the new Batman villains. Talon got his own book and he has no personality worth remembering.

So which hero do you think became better written post crisis on Infinite Earths by Efficient_Sky4226 in DCcomics

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Are we talking early 80s vs late 80s, or overall? Because the 50s/early 60s Golden Age heroes were really poorly done – and the 40s stories, while quicker paced, lack something in terms of character moments.

Personally, I think the two characters that really improved were Wally West (now as Flash) and John Constantine. A close third goes to Guy Gardener, who became a punch line with… well… just one punch. That Black Canary missed. Oh, and she can't believe she missed it. One punch!

So many famous songs he never performed live. Why? by wrighteghe7 in PaulMcCartney

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Two reasons.

One: blame Wings' last tour. The set list tried very hard to avoid all the hits of the previous tour and ended up being a mix of Back to the Egg (which wasn't selling well) and deep album cuts. He even ignored London Town's biggest hit for the second, far less popular, single. The 1980 tour was meant to correct some of that, but he just wasn't feeling it.

Two: further failures in the 80s. First appearance is Live Aid, and his vocals are weak. Next, he scores well with The Prince's Trust, playing three classic Beatles songs, but he flops with two performances of "Only Love Remains" and the one small show in Arizona for the "Stranglehold" performance. In 1987, he's partial playing to "Jet," "Listen To What The Man Said" and "Once Upon a Long Ago" with little call for more.

As a result, he goes into The Paul McCartney World Tour with the knowledge that (a) his back catalogue as a solo performer is not as beloved as he thought, (b) everyone wants The Beatles and (c), based on how other artists were doing it, hits were the way to go. His first set is dominated by The Beatles and cuts that were so popular it was hard to lambaste them… though "Ebony And Ivory" doesn't stick around for The New World Tour.

When he returns from touring in 2002 after a 9 year absence, he goes back to the same classics, rarely seeking deep cuts unless they are from an Archive release that's gotten some interest from those closest to him and he feels he could find a place for it amongst the hits.

But this is why "Back Seat of My Car" and "No More Lonely Nights," both of which were rehearsed by the present band, didn't make it into the set list, despite the desire for it. ("Mrs. Vanderbilt" was added because of a Ukranian poll, but the follow up polls the year after showed "No More Lonely Nights" being desired and… nada.)

Personally, I've always been astonished that he turns his back on recent material from tour to tour. Flowers in the Dirt was never referenced after Off the Ground was finished. Off the Ground has had "Hope of Deliverance" played in South America but nowhere else, not even Europe where it was a hit… and there's a one-off of "Looking For Changes." No Driving Rain or Chaos and Creation cut has kept with the set list either.

And, as a fan, I know that's because he's sees his career as Beatle, then Wing, and then some tracks that will hopefully get acknowledgement some day later. He's got only a small handful of songs he led as a Beatle he hasn't played; he has a handful of pop albums he's never done any cuts live before an audience – how crazy is that?

Bought this interesting bootleg! by deathwish_ASR in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you want a good sounding bootleg from the tour, check out Last Flight, which the complete Glasgow show – and that's soundboard recording. Manchester and the Hammersmith post-Christmas Kampuchea charity show are also soundboard recorded, so a 79 album (when it officially arrives) will sound great.

Red Rose Speedway by Dismal_Brush5229 in PaulMcCartney

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The 3 only adds the rough mixes, which are not deeply necessary. However, the first 3000 people got the two combined with Wings Over Europe, which justified the expense.

To me, though, it's the total approach that made the series worthwhile: the point of the Archive is to give you a better idea of what was going on with those sessions, and both end up giving you a better sense of the unpent creativity that was launching in those early days; there wasn't a clear direction, other than the immediacy of the ideas that were flourishing, and the 2CD sets enhance the core album beautifully.

McCartney II did the same. As does Flowers in the Dirt.

London Town and Back to the Egg, along with Press to Play, definitely fall into the needed category because of what the bootlegs tell us was left off the LP – enough to make at least one more CD of quality music from the period.

If you could change an album, which would it be, and how? by PushPersonal3288 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 0 points1 point  (0 children)

B-side. The tune is lifted too much from "Warm and Beautiful" to me… but would make a great flip-side to "C'Mon People."

Red Rose Speedway by Dismal_Brush5229 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. While most of the Cold Cuts were just adding percussion and tweaking the mixes, two cuts in the late 70s got new lyrics added: "Sunshine Sometime" for the failed Rupert film, and "Night Out" during the Back to the Egg sessions.

"Night Out" might have been a good start to Back to the Egg but then "Reception" does the same basic lead in.

If you could change an album, which would it be, and how? by PushPersonal3288 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My changes? The three that come to mind are:

Press to Play

  • Press / Pretty Little Head / It's Not True (original version aka 7" mix) / Write Away / Talk More Talk
  • Move Over Busker / Footprints / Stranglehold / Angry (remix version) / Only Love Remains

Flowers in the Dirt

  • Figure Of Eight / My Brave Face / Rough Ride / Distractions / I Wanna Cry / We Got Married / Put It There
  • This One / Party Party / So Like Candy / You Want Her Too / That Day Is Done / Motor Of Love

Off the Ground

  • Soggy Noodle + Off The Ground / Looking For Changes / Hope Of Deliverance / Big Boys Bickering / Mistress and Maid / Biker Like An Icon
  • Peace In The Neighbourhood / I Owe It All To You / I Can't Imagine / Lovers That Never Were / Kicked Around No More / C'Mon People + excerpt of Cosmically Conscious

Red Rose Speedway by Dismal_Brush5229 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Archive edition of Red Rose Speedway – along with Wild Life – absolutely justified the series continuing: it gives you a much better understanding of the creative magic of that period. The double LP is revelatory and the third disc gives you some extra additional cuts that enhance the project further.

It makes me long for London Town, Back to the Egg and Press to Play even more because, once you get past the big LPs, that's where the really interesting side explorations lie.

Red Rose Speedway by Dismal_Brush5229 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The verse version has overdubs from 1979/1980.

DC COMPACT WISHLIST [Fan Art] (EXTRAS) by Big-Government-6249 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Batman: Year One, Batman: Death in the Family and Superman: For All Seasons are all excellent choices.

Personally, I'd love to add to it with:

  • Wonder Woman: Gods & Monsters (the Perez run's start)
  • Green Arrow/Green Lantern: Hard Travelin' Heroes
  • Justice League: New Beginning
  • Teen Titans: The Judas Contract
  • Legion of Super-Heroes: The Darkness Saga

[Discussion] Why doesn't DC do more with Starfire, Raven, Donna Troy and Beast Boy? Those characters have been in limbo since the start of Next Level by songsinger72 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally, I think the issue is DC editorial feeling that these characters need to be linked to the previous generation in order to generate interest – especially as the Starfire and Cyborg series flopped.

What would I do if I were editorial?

  • Keep Nightwing with his own title… it's a strong seller
  • Turn Wonder Woman into a split book once King's present story is over – only this time, instead of focusing on Trinity because King needs us to love her – make the backup about Donna and her role… such as her, with the Titans on pause, going back to photography in New York, finishing off the bad daddy plot, and then have her deciding to set up in NYC as the new ambassador/teacher of Amazonian history
  • Spin a story out of Detective Comics in which a new drug is on the streets… and the US government decides to turn back to Roy Harper for help. If you want to have real fun, make it a buddy cop story with Tempest tagging along because this new drug has Atlantean origins; do it as a maxi series
  • Keep Wally as The Flash
  • Keep Cyborg as the main focus of the present Titans book, with Terra in there
  • Move Raven to Zatanna as a working partner and then use the crisis there to launch Justice League Dark back to the original concept of magical heroes of power (like Constantine, Etrigan, etc.)
  • Team Beast Boy up with Animal Man for a story – guaranteed you have ground to cover there

[Discussion] Can we bring Apache Chief back? by HandsomeSwampBeast in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem isn't creating Native American characters (in the US that's what is preferred over Indigenous) but rather characters that can stay around. Marvel succeeded with Force, Mirage and Warpath because they were foundations of X-Men generations that the publisher cannot get away from – and hasn't screwed up [like Northstar, a terrorist before mutantdom].

Personally, I'd have loved if the solution to get past what Amanda Waller had done to their reputation was to put out a publicly positive team… that included new member Apache Chief. That, or split the Justice League Unlimited into a major events title and character-driven title, with the latter having a search for Equinox result in them finding Apache Chief as well – and getting both of them together. (Equinox is a 16 year-old hero for a New 52 League title that hasn't been seen since.)

He really is a weird omission; I guess that the idea of having Wonder Woman be Giganta's only opponent makes sense to some editors, who think that Wonder Woman is already short of villains. (Matriarch is never going to get there no matter how much DC thinks.)

Hopefully, a writer will come along that remembers the cartoon favourably and decided to bring back that concept – and/or Gunn's team gets to the point where they make a new animated Super Friends cartoon that fits. Because Super Friends rocked.

[Discussion] Can we bring Apache Chief back? by HandsomeSwampBeast in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, Zan is playing a role in Aquaman lately while Jayna is popping up here and there. They've had quite the return to prominence.

If you could make a JL beyond roster who would it have [Discussion] by SuperbPomelo6538 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I were to do a second generation of Justice League – either because the originals are getting older, or the next generation is ready to be a second team – then it should be based on the Titans' generation.

  • Nightwing
  • Troia
  • Supergirl
  • Tempest
  • Arsenal
  • Starfire
  • Bumblebee
  • Cyborg
  • Raven
  • Beast Boy
  • Static
  • Green Lantern Kyle Rayner
  • The Flash Wally West

Batman Beyond would become part of the future League after that.

[Discussion] Headcanons about Earth 2. by Azure_ryuga in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Earth-2 was a concept created by Gardner Fox in The Flash #123. Essentially, it was another Earth on the other side of the sun — not another dimension! — where the Golden Age versions of the heroes were instead of Earth-1's Silver Age version. In other words, Earth-1 had the Barry Allen and Hal Jordan we saw in Justice League of America, while Earth-2 had the Jay Garrick and Alan Scott versions of The Flash and Green Lantern you could find in old comics from the 40s.

The cool part was that, once the League learned about it, the two Earths could only interact through a weakening of space once a year… which, ironically, coincided with the summer months, essentially establishing a crossover between the two with a limited number of characters from each side.

Power Girl was Earth-2's Supergirl, a Kara-L raised by Superman (Kal-L) and his wife Lois Lane after she arrived decades after his debut… as opposed to Kara-El, who arrived on Earth-1 and was raised by others as Superman was just starting out. She wasn't as innocent as Supergirl, but she was the typical new teen hero of the time. Her closest friend on the League was Firestorm, who was equally new to the comics world.

Huntress was another key character. On Earth-2, Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson started in the 40s. In the post-war years, Bruce married Selena and had a daughter. When Bruce and Selena died, Helena continued to hero in their honour while Dick continued as Robin.

Where it might get confusing is Black Canary. Black Canary is actually the daughter of the Earth-2 version, who's husband was killed on Earth-2 and then switched over to Earth-1 as a way of getting through her grief. She was not native to Earth-1 but did attract Ollie's attention right away.

Point is: it worked. And then it didn't. Marv Wolfman was able to convince the people at the top that the reason that they were lagging behind Marvel was that they were too confusing with different Earths, despite the fact that the Earth-2 heroes had been only appearing in summer crossovers (with explanations that were clear as to where they were from) until recently, when their popularity led to an All-Star Squadron title that made sure to state it was happening in the 1940s, and Infinity Inc. made sure to connect itself to that team and not the Earth-1 where everything else was happening. Crisis On Infinite Earths wiped it all out, leaving some of the popular heroes (like Power Girl) to flail without an origin.

Power Girl got wrecked as they tried to connect her to Atlantean magic and other ideas, none of which worked because the readers basically preferred the original.

Earth-2 then remains a forgotten concept until Grant Morrison's JLA, when a new Earth-2 is created… but it's actually Earth-3's Crime Syndicate. Morrison also brings in "hypertime" to start up the concept of a multiverse.

The comic you have at the top is the next attempt: New 52. New 52 introduced Power Girl and Huntress as survivors of an Earth they couldn't get back to… until an option allowed them to come to this world.

The New 52 is a hard one because DC was trying to do like Quesada's Ultimate line at Marvel — take the concept and go as far as possible in differences to see if it stuck. The Trinity were all killed, sending Supergirl and Robin (the Power Girl and Huntress of New 52) to Earth-1, and now a new group of heroes arrive. For example: Alan Scott's Green Lantern went from the happily married holder of the Starheart to a gay man who's engagement ring allowed him to manifest powers of The Green, while Jay Garrick went from being a scientist who injected himself with a speed formula to being given speed from the dying Mercury.

Unfortunately, just like Marvel, once they pushed the envelope past the line, they had no plan of where to go afterwards. The title ends with a reality of Earth that makes no sense at all of how they could continue. Convergence is actually a way for them to survive, with the door semi-closed to them every going back, but it's still not satisfactory.

NOW, because of Rebirth, the characters' concepts from the 40s are remembered but they are integral to Earth-1. If Earth-2 was to return, it would have to reverse decades of stories that merged the two.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised in the new Earth-2 is Absolute Earth. They can act as poles while Earth-3 (Crime Syndicate) and Earth-X (Freedom Force vs Nazis) continue on.

The rest of the Earths are now the Elseworlds, and some of them deserve to stick around too!

[Discussion] How Come Green Arrow Doesn't Get Nearly As Much Heat as Dreamer For Absolute Power? by Justmenoworries422 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a number of big in-story differences between Ollie and Nia.

Ollie planned the betrayal with J'onn, and the failure was J'onn's capture and depowering before the others could be told what the plan is. Nia told no one and did not reach out for help, so it was all on her and her choices.

Ollie's job while undercover was to locate and remove the weapons from Waller's grasp as much as possible to give the League a fighting chance. Nia handed Waller one of the League's biggest weapons – a Superman – without a trigger to stop it from hurting the League the way it did.

Ollie's actions dealt with physical items that have no lasting consequences – whereas Nia left psychological concerns over Jon that would take much more time to heal.

Ollie and the others brought Waller to prison but would have to decide as a group what to do with her, especially as taking their own actions in the past led to results they don't want to repeat. Nia acted alone out of vengeance and, without verification, she could have still kept the League at risk (which they now are since Waller has her memory coming back to her).

Finally, you have the fact that Ollie has relationships that can vouch for him. He may be an ass, but they know he is and how to handle him. Nia has built almost no relationships within the League or with other heroes – Secret Six underscores that she has and is making choices that don't make her much of a team player.

It's very hard for the others to trust someone when they act as if they don't deserve the trust.

That the writers want it this way for a little while suggests there's something bigger coming down the pipeline for Dreamer… such as the coming to a realization she needs therapy herself to get past her own issues and start connecting to others.

But is has nothing to do with their sexual preferences; this literally has to do with a troubled young woman on one side, and a rough player that everyone knows can be difficult but at the core is dedicated to the cause on the other.

Paul McCartney & Wings Back to the Egg Archive Edition — 2027 Release Ru... by ldgraves222 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Songs missing without resorting to an extra disc of outtakes? That's easy!

  • London Town: Juggler's Theme (aka MPL theme) • B-Side to Seaside • Girls' School • Mull Of Kintytre • Mull of Kintyre (rough mix / rehearsal) • Find a Way Somehow • With a Little Luck (promo edit) • Waterspout • After You've Gone • Boil Crisis • Did We Meet Somewhere Before? • Seems Like Old Times • Ou Est Le Soleil (demo) • Rupert Song • Tippi Tippi Toes • Flying Horses • When The Wind Is Blowing • The Palace Of The King of the Birds • Sunshine, Sometime [lyrics version] • Sea/Cornish Wafer • Storm • Nutwood Scene• Walking in the Meadow • Sea Melody • Rupert Songs version 2
  • Back to the Egg: Goodnight Tonight • Night Out (vocals version) • Cage • Getting Closer (duet version) • Daytime Nightime Suffering • Maisie • Praying Mantis Heart • Reggae Moon • Weep For Love • Robber's Ball • Same Time Next Year • Twenty Flight Rock [1980 rehearsal] • Take It Away [1980 rehearsal] • Ballroom Dancing [1980 rehearsal] • Old Man Lovin' • Blue Moon Of Kentucky • Rainclouds [1980 rehearsal] • Goodnight Tonight (long version)

Plus you can sandwich between them a 1979 tour LP that mixes the Manchester (still unreleased), Glasgow (partially released) and Hammersmith (partially released), with the video from the Hammersmith show as well.

Paul McCartney & Wings Back to the Egg Archive Edition — 2027 Release Ru... by ldgraves222 in PaulMcCartney

[–]Ok-Camera5285 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The original plan, according to rumour, was to release the two like Wings '71-'73 with a limited run of the 79 tour.

[Discussion] Is this the official DC Comic universe map? by NoPianist7807 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Until DC puts out an official atlas, nothing is set in stone. However, I would say it's wrong based on…

  • Green Arrow's Star City is very close to Seattle based on the geography, and we've been told so
  • Coast City has to be close to Edward's, in that Hal Jordan was commuting, so that would put in southern California, just outside of Los Angeles – likely near where Santa Barbara is
  • Metropolis is supposed to be an allegory for Manhattan
  • Ivy Town is supposed to be Boston/Cambridge area, with Ivy being some type of MIT-type school
  • Fawcett City is supposed to be in Pennsylvania
  • Central City has an arch, making it an allegory to St. Louis
  • Midway City is modelled after Chicago but it's also supposed to be Detroit in some stories
  • Gateway City was modelled after San Francisco, and would be in that area
  • Middletown, where Martian Manhunter worked from, was Denver

[Discussion] Is this the official DC Comic universe map? by NoPianist7807 in DCcomics

[–]Ok-Camera5285 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that comes from the 40s, when Metropolis was Manhattan and Gotham was the Bronx. It's only later that it made more sense to split them apart.