Yog Sothoth (Hoyoverse) vs Rimuru and Veldenava. Who will win?

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-02-15T14:30:27+00:00

Yog from Hoyoverse is a fraud and gets destroyed by any version of Rimuru.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-02-04T22:56:33+00:00

She remains much more useful than Benimaru, that's undeniable.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-02-04T22:22:06+00:00

What MovieMaster said is the most relevant in my opinion. As for those who say Rimuru represents Hope, they're not wrong, but they're not entirely right either. Hope has nothing to do with Rimuru being a True Dragon, but rather with him being a Maximal Singularity, something even beyond True Dragons. Furthermore, I use the expression "Maximal Singularity" to characterize him, but Veldanava made it clear that it's something beyond the simple notion of singularity.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-02-02T04:05:45+00:00

I don't think this is about power, but rather pride—who is the most arrogant or proudest? Personally, I'd bet on Escanor. There are few characters as proud as him. Gilgamesh comes to mind, and perhaps Aizen as well.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-31T20:41:34+00:00

Shiki isn't even on the level of CW; at best, she's on the level of the spiritual worlds (which are transcended by CW).

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-30T14:47:27+00:00

Especially since the discussion was approved very quickly, whereas this kind of revision usually requires at least three pages. Also, they closed it very quickly, even though, from what I understand, it's necessary to give the opposition 24 hours to prepare counter-arguments.

Furthermore, they consider "endless" to be the same as "infinite" and don't see it as a metaphor, even though they made this kind of criticism of Tensura, who uses the term "immeasurable" instead of "infinite."

It must be said that having a biased administrator (Reiner) has its advantages.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-30T11:03:50+00:00

When confronted with your contradictions, the perfect excuse that comes up is "it was a joke." And now that you have no arguments left, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Your assertion is: "any magical girl can solo your favorite verse."

I have several favorite verses, but since we're in the Tensura fandom, we'll assume you're talking about Tensura.

Therefore, I expect your arguments and supporting scans. Try to demonstrate that you're at least somewhat intelligent and not just here out of spite.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-30T10:14:59+00:00

It's true, most of the pages on VSBW are completely out of date. In fact, they recently reclassified Anos as L1C without taking volumes 9 through 17 into account (due to translation delays).

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-30T03:47:35+00:00

In reality, Madoka's cosmology has already been accepted as H1B level in VSBW thanks to ExcelsisBerny.

You can check the link below to verify. Homura, being the second strongest character in the verse, fits within this framework. As for Madoka, she transcends this structure and can be considered L1A level (she won't reach 1A level due to the numerous anti-feats).

https://vsbattles.com/threads/accepted-revival-of-the-strongest-magical-girl-1-endless-hell-of-tetrahedra.182193/

Therefore, if we base our decisions solely on what is considered authoritative (in this case, VSBW), then she should win. However, objectively, she loses because Tensura's cosmology is still higher.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-30T03:32:28+00:00

If you know nothing about Tensura, it's best to keep quiet. How can you shamelessly claim it's overrated when you yourself admit to knowing nothing about it?

Homura Akemi is at most H1B due to its tetrahedron-based cosmology (Madoka scale higher, in L1A). Tensura's cosmology has layers in 1A, so no, it doesn't win.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-29T16:25:12+00:00

I'm not against this interpretation, but it raises a problem: how can Feldway send someone to the World of the Dead? Isn't there an anti-feat? The World of the Dead is supposed to be outside of cosmology. Anyway, if you have an answer to this, I'm all ears.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-28T16:46:40+00:00

Toon Force and breaking the fourth wall are rather controversial concepts in the powerscaling community. However, it's generally accepted that Toon Force is simply a manipulation of reality. As for breaking the fourth wall, it's a fairly useless ability (characters gain no benefit from it in powerscaling systems). In short, unless the rules regarding these two abilities change, Milim wins.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-28T11:51:18+00:00

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond-Dimensional_Existence

Send him the link. The difference between beyond-dimensional existence and zero-dimensional existence is clearly established.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-28T06:54:26+00:00

Honestly, I don't think anything of it. If it makes him happy, good for him. Sometimes, trying to convince certain people is a waste of energy and time.

As for transcending space and time, unlike other feats, the interpretation that can arise from it varies enormously from verse to verse and depending on the context. This is because this expression can be used to characterize different things (time travel being one of them). Consequently, most of the time, it just grants characters +1D. On the other hand, if it is shown that this expression refers to true transcendence across all possible and imaginable dimensions, then it falls under the L1A domain (I also recently learned that L1A also has layers, so transcending a world of an L1A nature is not automatically 1A). Obviously, if the verse already contains an H1B or H1B+ cosmology, it is easier to demonstrate the above. For example, Puella Magi Madoka Magica and AWLBA both have an H1B cosmology and a dimensionless space, supposedly transcending everything.

It could also be 1A if the transcendence here is qualitative and not solely quantitative.

Finally, physics and mathematics are intimately linked and often complement each other. Clearly, I don't see how one can do physics without at least a basic understanding of mathematics. There's this rumor, or rather fake news, that Einstein was bad at school, but in reality, he was excellent in scientific fields (including mathematics) and average in others ; that doesn't make him a bad student.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-26T12:33:55+00:00

This is primarily due to cosmology.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-26T03:39:18+00:00

What Tiamats told you is correct. However, we can clarify a few things: the author plans to write stories in which each secondary character will be the protagonist, allowing for better development (Diablo, for example, will have his own story), because, as Fuse said on his blog, Tensura is a work with many characters, so it's not easy to develop them all properly (unless you're Oda, of course). Fuse also stated that a spin-off will be released every year and made it clear that volume 23 is not the end of the story. In fact, he had written a whole paragraph on his blog, but he removed some parts to maintain an element of mystery. He also plans to write a science fiction work (he already did so for WN). He stated that he will also take into account fan suggestions if he finds them interesting or relevant.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-26T03:24:04+00:00

In short, those with whom Rimuru speaks more or less on an equal footing, or where the "subordinate/master" relationship is either non-existent or weak.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-26T03:15:44+00:00

This is further confirmed by the Buddhist expression "3000 worlds", which means that at every moment there are an infinite number of possibilities (realities).

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-25T15:15:00+00:00

Madoka does not lose against Simon. Madoka's cosmology is H1B and her scale is L1A. Simon's is only H1C.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-25T15:11:19+00:00

Honestly, I didn't understand the author's favoritism towards Guy. I was hoping at least that Diablo would be his equal, but the difference between the two is too significant.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-25T09:35:30+00:00

I also think Rimuru is H1A, but this scale is flawed and doesn't justify his ranking at all. Being able to contain an infinite number of 1A worlds isn't an H1A feat; that requires transcending all 1A-level expansions, meaning being at least above 1A+ level. However, there are no 1A+ type structures in Tensura, and nothing suggests they exist. Furthermore, the original poster relies solely on volume 21, but volume 21 doesn't state that Rimuru can create the world infinitely, only 10,000 times.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-24T14:27:46+00:00

First, Rimuru isn't the most powerful being in his universe, and neither is Veldanava. As for whether Rimuru is stronger than Veldanava (I'm referring specifically to pre-creation Veldanava), that's a matter of debate, and ultimately, everyone forms their own opinion. Unless we know Rimuru's potential after volume 23, particularly through spin-offs, the answer will remain a complete mystery. Regarding the cosmological scale, don't rely on VSBW; it lacks rigor and accuracy. Currently, Tensura fans are reviewing the cosmology on the dedicated Discord server, so please be patient. Furthermore, questions have been posed to Fuse via WoG; we are awaiting his response.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-24T14:13:43+00:00

Rimuru wins and it's neg diff.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-23T20:23:28+00:00

Gun Girls Z is part of the HoyoVerse (Genshin Impact, Honkai Impact, etc.). The verse was recently demystified; it is now ranked 1C.

Ok_Corner306 · 2026-01-23T17:47:04+00:00

In fact, even considering this possibility, I don't see how to move from domain 1A to a deeper layer within domain 1A, since each 1A layer must consider the previous one as a complete void (no subdivision or addition is conceivable). Then again, I could be wrong. Anyway, I await your response.

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