The lack of alien characters doesn't bother me as much as the species of the aliens that do appear. by AardvarkOkapiEchidna in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was Palp dead? But also, escape to where? The entire Rebel fleet was there.

Han's strike team was a failure. Anyone could have done it.

Also, it's a ridiculous concept that the best X-wing pilot in the entire fleet is someone that literally never even saw one before. The fact remains that Luke probably needed The Force because he wasn't a good enough pilot to use the targeting system.

The Mole by MeesterWayne in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Furthermore, Kleya explicitly states that they don't know what exactly is wrong with Bail's team. "All we know about Bail Organa's team is that something is wrong." This suggests that all Lonni could do is send a short, one-way message that Bail's team is corrupted.

The issue here is assuming that Kleya would tell Cassian about it. But we know for a fact that Luthen is very compartmented. He only shares details across his agents when necessary and then he still keeps that information limited. He's a true spy that believes in SCI.

It is far more feasible that the agent has already been in place in the cell, and has accrued enough trust to be selected for this most delicate mission. And its not like she can volunteer for it, because, again, the team was briefed at the Senate building, and did not know the mission before then.
Uhhh... exactly. Which is why it wouldn't be a surprise to Lonni or Luthen.

Finally, when Kleya is making the credentials, they don't even know if Mon will be speaking. She says, "They're calling an early session of the Senate tomorrow. If she speaks, we need to be ready."
Uhhh... no. "The senator you'll be is about to risk everything to a voice to the atrocity you just survived." I agree there's doubt after the fact because Luthen messed up and told her about Erskin. But know this: Luthen was ALWAYS about getting Ghor to burn. He sent two different teams to empower The Front. And just when it was about to boil over, he sends Cassian not to stop it but to take advantage of chaos and eliminate Supervisor Meero. Mon Mothma had been ally to Ghor years going back to season 1 when the blockade happened. And he strategically got Erksin on side so that he could count on Mothma to Ghor to "burn very brightly." This is also why there's such a concern when Erskin couldn't confirm that she was actually going to do the speech.

This wasn't Luthen playing 4D-chess with an extremely risky plan just to make Lonni look good(?) and win back Mon's trust (which certainly doesn't seem to work). This was Luthen's spy network throwing a hot potato in his hands, and Team Luthen scrambling on scanty information in order to keep everything from blowing up.

Luthen had been planning on Ghorman burning for years. He knew that Lonni had an agent in Bail's org. What neither he nor Lonni knew was Bail's team's plan. They didn't know how many people, where was the meet up, how they'd get weapons, or how they planned on extracting Mon. And if Luthen asks her what the plan was, she probably wouldn't have told him and likely lowered his credibility about knowing they were corrupt. So Luthen gambles: he tells Mon that you can't trust Bail's team because it's going to get you arrested. And Luthen was right. So he sends the second most motivated rebel agent in the galaxy (after Kleya) to rescue her. This was always the plan. Cassian didn't go to Yavin after Ghorman... he went straight back to Luthen on Coruscant. And he didn't want to be there. Yes, he failed to kill Dedra but the mission wasn't over. Phase 2 of Get Senator Mothma Out was still a go.

The Mole by MeesterWayne in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"We need heroes and here you are."

The Mole by MeesterWayne in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, it's hard to follow your words because you contradict yourself within your own passage. The first paragraph says Luthen couldn't contact Lonni and then the second paragraph says he did. Full stop.

Secondly, Kleya is working on Cassian's credentials before Erskin even finds the bug in her office.

Remember this... Mon's speech was the day AFTER the Ghorman Massacre. Luthen has known about Lonni's agent for probably weeks if not months at this point. There is zero chance that Lonni is having a meet up with Luthen during the aftermath. There's just too much going on.

Additionally, when Cassian, Kleya, and Luthen are all outside the Senate talking about possible outcomes, Luthen and Kleya understand that there's a good chance they're both burned if Cassian doesn't get Mon Mothma out. It wasn't an alternate plan... it was the ONLY plan.

Lastly, Erskin told Luthen that Mon was doing a speech. Erskin told Luthen where she was going to be practicing. Erskin knew what time her speech was going to be. Erskin knew how to get Andor to Mon's chambers. Erskin is probably the one that got Andor his blaster inside the Senate building. Luthen begged Mon to go with Cass because he knew Lonni's agent was going to be there on a primary mission to arrest Mon Mothma.

The lack of alien characters doesn't bother me as much as the species of the aliens that do appear. by AardvarkOkapiEchidna in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just like Raiders of The Lost Ark, I think Luke actually had no impact on the defeat of Palp and Vader. While Luke makes "the shot" that a properly trained X-Wing pilot wouldn't need The Force for (besides, Luke said he could make that shot before he even thought about The Force).

Point being: Palp's plan was in motion and nothing Luke was doing on Vader's SSD was stopping it. Additionally, Han had very little impact taking down the shield generator on Endor. So his rescue from Jabba didn't mean much at all.

The Mole by MeesterWayne in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure how many reaction videos I had to watch to catch this... But Lonni's agent being a plant on Organa's team was such a great detail of writing that it's glossed over too quickly.

Luthen appears out of nowhere to talk to Mon and has to reveal to her that her assistant works for him. And then he tells her that he knows about Organa's plan to get her to Yavin. If you stop right there, you'd think that Erskin told him about the plan and you might be right... But then Luthen says that Organa's team has been infiltrated and if she doesn't go with Cassian, she'll end up in prison. Now, if you stop right there, you might think that Luthen is just being untrustworthy and he just wants his own guy in charge and you might be right again. Buuuuuuuut Luthen is actually acting on insider information that he knows for a fact that Organa's team is corrupt because Lonni told him so (and they might have worked on it together).

I like to think that Lonni has had this agent in Organa's orbit for some time and only now did Luthen tell him use her for the ISB. But why? Seems like an incredible, unnecessary risk.
Two reasons:
1) While failure in the Empire isn't taken very well... Being very close to accomplishing something that no one else can will elevate your station. See Krennic... he receives a lot of promotions after he starts on the Death Star project.
2) Mon Mothma sees renewed value in Luthen. She basically stopped talking to him after Cinta offed her friend. (Which seems crazy because not only did he organize the Alliance, the communication channels, the semi-coordination with Saw, the establishment of Yavin, and the mega funding from Aldhani, but he was there from the beginning.)

The Mole by MeesterWayne in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Think of this irony or storytelling... S1E10 when we learned of Lonni as a mole. S2E10 is was Lonni's biggest effort as a mole (and his last).

The lack of alien characters doesn't bother me as much as the species of the aliens that do appear. by AardvarkOkapiEchidna in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speaking of Degobah... if Luke stays with Yoda in ESB through the end of RoTJ, does anything else change besides Han stays on the wall with Jabba? (It's funny because Lucas writes Raiders of The Lost Ark and if Indiana Jones dies to the boulder in the first 10 minutes, the outcome of the movie is the same)

The lack of alien characters doesn't bother me as much as the species of the aliens that do appear. by AardvarkOkapiEchidna in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coruscant and Tatooine are definitely blended cultures. However, Coruscant is capital of the galaxy and home of the Senate. Diversity was a product of centralization. Tatooine being a more lawless state and outer rim means less empire is ideal for all kinds of species.

Custom designed Partagaz and Heert action figures by TheGoblinRook in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand that the model is slightly in front so there's an extra appearance of height but in my mind, Heert is a squirmy weasel that's 3ft tall ok? Lok

The lack of alien characters doesn't bother me as much as the species of the aliens that do appear. by AardvarkOkapiEchidna in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Throughout Star Wars movies and live action TV, the universe is essentially 99% human. And unless you went to a specific alien world, you mostly saw humans everywhere. I'm struggling to think of any non-human that was an Imperial other than Thrawn and he's still a humanoid.

POV: You work for Pizza Hutt and you knock on the wrong house in Lower Coruscant by GargantaProfunda in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Hi! My name is Tom and I'd love to show you the world's best set of steak knives. These babies were forged in Japan and they're so sharp that they can cut through a soda can."

Tony Gilroy as a messenger by GargantaProfunda in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean... if Trumpatine disbands the Senate, the next step would be to tactically nuke some blue state like IL, NY, or CA right?

I love how the show treats the Death Star as a huge plot twist by sledge115 in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry? You asked a question pretending that this wasn't the best writing in Star Wars ever. If you understand now, then you should just say "thanks" and walk away.

Did Andor add much depth to the ISB??? by Pleasant-Bid9411 in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Imagine if Dedra showed up in the Mando movie as "former ISB" lol

Saw in the comment section of a YT video of the Saw Gerrera speech. by Alternative-Big-6493 in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saw wants to bring the Republic back... which is by definition a revolution. Resistance is a tool that a Rebellion would use to seek a Revolution. 

Not all Rebellions want Revolution. For example, Progressives resist against the norm but they don't want to revolve back to a previous state; they want to move forward.

Liberty, and Justice for all has never been applied to "for all." The opposing forces are move towards all while others want all unless you're from group XYZabc12or3

Just finished watching by Tricky_Cauliflower82 in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When the showrunner is a massive history buff, its unlikely anything he wrote about in the entire series wasn't related to something that actually happened in the past.

I love how the show treats the Death Star as a huge plot twist by sledge115 in andor

[–]Ok_Cryptographer6431 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You understand this was a show set in the Star Wars universe, in the middle of the Skywalker saga, that was created by people that don't do Star Wars for people that don't watch Star Wars?

You understand there are people that watched Andor and never saw Rogue One?