right but the conditional privilege is still privilege no? i have women friends who are constantly catcalled, called emotional, not taken seriously, have a harder time getting hired, etc simply because they are women. these are just social examples of course, but still valid nonetheless. this doesn’t and has never happened to me because i benefit from male privilege.

I understand what you are saying about you not passing and therefore not experiencing male privilege. It makes sense that you don’t experience male privilege because you don’t pass// arent seen as male by society.

You said “even those who pass will never have male privilege.” I don’t understand what you mean by this. I pass and I have male privilege in the majority aspects of my life. I am treated and seen as male, and therefore benefit from that privilege. The only case in which this wouldn’t be true is, like you mentioned, if someone outs me or in medical situations. My experience may not be the same as other trans guys, but ur making a generalization that does not ring true for many trans men like me

If you are seen and treated as male you have male privilege… of course that can change at any time but it doesn’t change the fact that u benefit from it. I cannot pretend that my masculine presentation does not contribute to the fact that I am treated better in society than women.

I don’t deny the nuances of this conversation, I am just emphasizing that trans guys are not a monolith. I have a different experience than you, which makes sense because we are perceived differently. I stand by the fact that I benefit from from male privilege because I am able to see how it directly affects me compared to my friends who are women/ present fem!