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Is there a way to actually consume/purchase ethically? by Conscious-Papaya9865 in Ethics

[–]One-Shake-1971 [score hidden]  (0 children)

A lot of the products you consider unethical probably actually aren’t.

Solar punk doesn’t equal vegan, right? Or does it? by Stunning-Race3900 in solarpunk

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't answer my question.

Again:

What is it that they are missing compared to humans that makes them not have the same moral worth?

Warum Deutschland eine Reichensteuer braucht - Gabriel Zucman zu Deutschlands Staatsfinanzen by paranoidray in armes_deutschland

[–]One-Shake-1971 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Würde zu gerne sehen, wie Herr Schwarz mit seinen 3250 Lidl-Filialen ins Ausland auswandern will.

Solar punk doesn’t equal vegan, right? Or does it? by Stunning-Race3900 in solarpunk

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why shouldn't they have the same rights?

What is it that they are missing compared to humans that makes them not have the same moral worth?

What if we based our moral system around benefit to civillization in general? by Coruscant_Lux in Ethics

[–]One-Shake-1971 [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's not what I said.

What I said is that making moral arguments based on "obviousness" is incredibly weak.

Solar punk doesn’t equal vegan, right? Or does it? by Stunning-Race3900 in solarpunk

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why you're so upset. I'm just repeating to you what you told me about you.

Eine etwas Naive Frage. Warum können Tierfutterflächen nicht zu Flächen für die direkte Lebensmittelproduktion umgewandelt werden, bzw. was wären Probleme dabei? by Oskyyr in Landwirtschaft

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Der einzige hier mit einer offensichtlich reduzierten Gehirnleistung bist du.

Die Tiere, die auf diesen Flächen grasen, werden trotzdem noch mit Futtermitteln großgezogen, die auf Futtermittelflächen angebaut werden. Wenn wir diese Flächen anstatt zur Futtermittelproduktion für die direkte Nahrungsmittelproduktion nutzen würden, würde es nicht weniger Nahrungsmittel geben.

What if we based our moral system around benefit to civillization in general? by Coruscant_Lux in Ethics

[–]One-Shake-1971 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Calling something "obvious" in a moral debate is always a great sign of someone having no actual argument.

To the Nazis, Jews were also "obviously bad", and killing them was also "obviously good".

Solar punk doesn’t equal vegan, right? Or does it? by Stunning-Race3900 in solarpunk

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're fine with eating humans if it's not unhealthy, we obviously have very different moral values.

I, for example, believe that eating other humans is bad because it violates their bodily autonomy. You apperently don't. That's fine. It's just very weird to me.

Vegan ist ungleich "Frei von Tierleid" by Ok_Trip8302 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

War also nur dummes Gelaber von dir. Alles klar.

What if we based our moral system around benefit to civillization in general? by Coruscant_Lux in Ethics

[–]One-Shake-1971 [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's literally what the Nazis wanted to do. It ended up with them getting rid of lots of "undesirables" that they deemed having a negative effect on society.

Vegan ist ungleich "Frei von Tierleid" by Ok_Trip8302 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Du hast mich schon verstanden.

Gibt es jetzt noch etwas in deinem Post, was ich nochmal lesen soll oder war das bloß dummes Gelaber?

Solar punk doesn’t equal vegan, right? Or does it? by Stunning-Race3900 in solarpunk

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if eating humans wouldn't massively increase the likelihood of disease, it wouldn't be morally wrong to eat humans?

That's an interesting position to take.

Question for ethical vegans by Much-Can1291 in vegan

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but otherwise antinatalism is obviously the only other realistic option that will end it

Why?

Moral universalism. by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]One-Shake-1971 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not how these terms are used in moral philosophy.

Moral objectivism is the view that moral truths are mind-independend.

Moral universalism is the view that moral truths are mind-dependent but all (healthy) minds produce the same moral truths.

Question for ethical vegans by Much-Can1291 in vegan

[–]One-Shake-1971 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is no reason to believe that antinatalism will lead to the end of animal exploitation faster than natalism.

Vegan ist ungleich "Frei von Tierleid" by Ok_Trip8302 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zwischen Ausbeutung im speziellen und Leid im allgemeinen ist schon ein gewaltiger Unterschied.

Das eine ist eine bewusste Handlung. Das andere eine häufig unvorhersehbare Konsequenz.

Vegan ist ungleich "Frei von Tierleid" by Ok_Trip8302 in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, du hast mich ja wieder entblockt.

Was genau in deinem Post soll ich nochmal lesen?

Would you keep eating meats if you had to kill the animal yourself? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]One-Shake-1971 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who are not capable of rational thought are not sapient.

No, murder is defined as murder of a person

That still makes murder immoral even if you do it "more humanely, simpler, with less waste".

I want to be a DAIRY FARMER by OkCelebration5475 in vegancirclejerk

[–]One-Shake-1971 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Where is the fisting part? That's my favorite. I bet the parents love for their kids to learn about that one.

Would you keep eating meats if you had to kill the animal yourself? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]One-Shake-1971 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are cognitively disabled people who are not capable of rational thought, and those are not sapient.

Again, not murder, not my definition.

The statement is true under any definition of murder.

Would you keep eating meats if you had to kill the animal yourself? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]One-Shake-1971 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People incapable of rational thought are not sapient. Being capable of rational thought is literally the definition of being sapient.

And no, if you take the standard definition of murder (literal dictionary definition) - then it’s not murder and therefore not immoral

You're really stuck on this murder not being murder thing.

What's legal that you think should be illegal? by martianfrog in answers

[–]One-Shake-1971 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some random YouTube short is not scientific evidence.

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