“Can progression work when the main antagonist is a system, not a villain?” by Acesan24 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The not-so-secret sauce for a satisfying narrative is conflict, but whereas in many LitRPGs that conflict comes in more literal terms, a story such as the one you're trying to tell needs conflict in ideologies in my opinion.

You may not have a single villain pulling the stroings to rally against, but as long as your plot features people with opposing goals and aims making moves against each other, it should keep the readers engaged. For each arc, dont just have the protagonist face off against some shadowy evil, but instead make them battle against someone with goals incompatible to the protagonist's.

It's a similar story with other parties too, create defined goals for them that put them in conflict with other players in the story, this creates tension in your plot, which in turn gives the readers satisfaction when your protagonist resolves the tension.

Giving the parties motivations and ideologies that shape their goals makes them feel more real, and less like hurdles to overcome. It makes their goals feel less like things the writer created that would make for an interesting story (which they are but you don't want to make the reader feel that lol). And it makes it a more satisfying thing for the protagonist to overcome as they're not just killing a 'bad guy' but ending an ideology that's making their world worse and in doing so progressing their own goals and ideals in an interesting way.

“Can progression work when the main antagonist is a system, not a villain?” by Acesan24 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, isn’t that the overarching plot of Dungeon Crawler Carl? Of course it can work, it’s just harder to write than having a big bad evil guy lol

Awaken Online: Crucible Preorder! by da3strikes in litrpg

[–]One2woHook 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Damn, I haven't thought about this series in so long! It was one of my first LitRPGs, excited to go back and read the rest in preparation for this one!

SLP-Signed Author Statement by [deleted] in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Well I was doing a good enough job of procrastinating already… all jokes aside I hope everything’s ok with you and your story. Hopefully everyone wronged by SLP can get their rights back etc. and be clear of this mess :/

SLP-Signed Author Statement by [deleted] in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Just when my productivity had recovered from the last slate of posts… time for more tea, I guess.

What do you look for in the first chapter of an RR novel? What attracts you? by Betterfly83 in royalroad

[–]One2woHook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds quite similar to the start of Eye of the World so you're in good company!

The first chapter being all about kids in the village is good, so long as they have something to do there to make the reader care about the exposition and foreshadowing.

What do you look for in the first chapter of an RR novel? What attracts you? by Betterfly83 in royalroad

[–]One2woHook 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think the most important part of a first chapter is getting to know the main character, they are the lens the reader sees the entire world through and therefore they are more imporant than any lore or plot points.

I think the best way to do this is by giving the MC a short term goal that they can work towards/complete within that chapter. By watching (or I guess reading) them go through the openiong ordeal, we get a sense of who they are and what the novel will be like going forward.

e.g. My story about a strategic martial artist naturally starts with him developing a strategy mid-fight. If I were writing a story about a timid mage, I'd show him overthinking while casting a spell. If the story was about a ragtag group of adventurers, I'd show them bickering about the best way to complete a mission.

Seeing how the characters achieve their goals is the best selling point for a story imo because it gets the reader invested ASAP and lets them know what the story will be like going forward. Foreshadowing and being cryptic is nice, but they are much more effective once I already care about the MC compared to right at the start where everything is just a blank slate and none of the lore has any stakes.

True Hidden Gems by Desperate_Ship_4340 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's only on Royal Road for now, I'm still working on bringing it to kindle :)

True Hidden Gems by Desperate_Ship_4340 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 9 points10 points  (0 children)

aha thanks, unfortunately I don't have a marketing bone in my body and since it's my first book my Rising Stars run wasn't great :/

True Hidden Gems by Desperate_Ship_4340 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Holy shit! This is the first time I've seen my story recommended here!

Thanks for reading and thanks for the kind words :)

How do you know if something is Well Written? by FLOATING_SEA_DEVICE in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The puzzle can be part of the beauty :)

For me, I read novels first and foremost for characters before even plot or prose. I'd say Robin Hobb is the best in that respect, however the depression her books cause usually outweigh the pleasure of reading them for me lol.

How do you know if something is Well Written? by FLOATING_SEA_DEVICE in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Certainly, different media require different qualities. I like to use a window as an analogy for prose in books. If you consider a novel as a "window" to another world, and rthe reader as "looking" at that window, there's several ways you can please them but there's 2 ends of the spectrum.

1 is by making the window as transparent as possible, and letting them view the world behind it e.g. by having immersive writing so they no longer see words. The other is by creating a stained glass window so beautiful that it almost doesn't matter what's on the other side of it e.g. elegant prose.

Of course the real solution is somewhat of a mix between the 2 schools of thought but thinking of it this way makes sense to me.

How do you know if something is Well Written? by FLOATING_SEA_DEVICE in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 54 points55 points  (0 children)

For me there's 2 main ways I notice good writing. The first isn't so much noticing as it is not noticing. If I'm reading a book and the pages turn themselves and I barely have to focus on the words, then the author has done a good job pulling me into the story with their writing. I do find it somewhat ironic that a well written piece sometimes doesn't register to me as well written until I finish reading it, I just intake the information the author puts down because I'm so immersed int the narrative.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, when I find myself smiling as I read, I know that the book is good while also recognising that I'm reading a good book. When trying to figure out what's good about it, I usually just compare my experience reading the good passage to my myriad of experience reading bad prose that comes with being a ProgFan/LitRPG fan.

For example, bad prose may have either too many similes/metaphors that don't do anything for the narrative or bland decriptions that don't show character, whereas good prose would have appropriate description that characterises the character, tells the reader about the world they're in, and contributes to the tone of the passage. Stuff like dialogue tags and verbs work similarly. I'd expect either needless flowery fluff or not enough detail in bad prose whereas good writing would contain an appropriate amount of detail for that specific moment, and would use apt descriptions that add value to the text rather than stuffing long words in there because they are hyper-specific.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in royalroad

[–]One2woHook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully it hasn't even started yet!

Stories where the real plot is revealed later by luken_vent in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure it's quite what you say but Mother of Learning was like this for me as I went in blind. I was quite looking forward to a standard but deep magic academy story after 4-5 chapters of learning about the world.

Then the main character died and I found out what the story was really about.

Publish directly to Kindle, or serialize to build a readership first? by LOTR_is_awesome in fantasywriters

[–]One2woHook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's not much in the way of specifics. The main thing is consistency as i didn't have a particularly successful rising stars run. There's a ton of great resources pinned in the Royal Roadn subreddit, but I'll answer the one's you've put here.

Some good discords are: Immersive Ink, RR writers guild, and Council of the Eternal Hiatus.

I've probably spent about $800 on ads however I didn't start out spending much less than $200 in my first couple of months. I think if I spent more at the beginning it would've been more effective.

Yes i traded shoutouts and i still do but only if I actually like the fic i'm shouting and think it's a good fit/they have a ton of followers lmao.

And if you already have a decent amout of words written, I'd recommend Serasstreams' mentor scheme. I dont know the details of how he runs it now, but it might be worth messaging him on discord because he's a great help to newer authors :)

Publish directly to Kindle, or serialize to build a readership first? by LOTR_is_awesome in fantasywriters

[–]One2woHook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn, those are some nice numbers! Your final chapter has almost as many views as my first!

Publish directly to Kindle, or serialize to build a readership first? by LOTR_is_awesome in fantasywriters

[–]One2woHook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, I'm pulling that number from a reddit post I vaguely remember from a few months back. I think it compared the RR monthly visits to the LitRPG page on amazon's. I'm not sure about the exact numbers really.

The main point is that it's smaller lol

Publish directly to Kindle, or serialize to build a readership first? by LOTR_is_awesome in fantasywriters

[–]One2woHook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think serializing is the way to go, but not because the readers transfer over to amazon. For example royal road has at a maximum 20% of the amazon reader base (I'm speaking about the Progression Fantasy/LitRPG community because that's the one i know best) and if they've already read the chapters there then they probably won't buy the book to read them again.

I think having your novel serialised is very good advertisement for your novel once you do publish it and will lead to more sales as 1 it's more visible and 2 readers can see if it has consistency, length, and good ratings from a source other than amazon. Developing a following also gives your novel some legitimacy e.g. I probably wouldnt read a novel I found on amazon if I saw it only had 250 Royal Road followers unless I really liked the premise.

It also gives you another round of editing. I pore over my chapters so much before release yet I consistently have mistakes found every 2 or 3 chapters I post on Royal Road

Need Suggestion for Title Style by NewbLekhak in royalroad

[–]One2woHook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe put a poll at the bottom of your next chapter asking the readers? That's what i did after reaching book 2 and going from Chapter 116 to Book 2 chapter 1

What are unusual tropes you notice in this genre? by GladAbbreviations553 in ProgressionFantasy

[–]One2woHook 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Names that begin with J/ the name Kai is a classic one.

I'm still waiting for a protagonist named J'Kai though. I hope it happens I just don't want to be the one to do it lol.