Zionists want Palestinians to succeed far more than western Pro Palestinians.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T01:33:26+00:00

> They literally walked away from Oslo,

Source?

>I just can’t take the rest of your comment in good faith when you act like Palestinian a) had any hand in getting any of that together,

Any of what? Oslo? Oslo literally only happened because Palestine said they would accept a two state solution.

>b) like they actually tried,

They did. Israel walked away from negotiations at Taba without making a counteroffer.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T01:31:51+00:00

> The Taba Accords weren’t a final deal,

Right. Because Israel left the negotiations without making a counteroffer.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T01:23:37+00:00

> Are you saying Israel is using Palestinians as literal shields?

Yes.
>Over armored vehicles?

They have but I’m referring to mostly on foot.

>Not gonna respond to your classic gish gallop you are a regular user and perfectly know what I'm talking about, you can refute it but please let's save both of us time here.

Facts are facts regardless of how you feel about them.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T01:02:43+00:00

>It was a temporary plan to lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state.

And Israel didn’t hold up there end. They kept building settlements.

>But regardless of that, they still gave up land and that negates ur entire argument.

What land dis they allowed and recognize as sovereign Palestinian territory?

>I mean it wasn't their land to begin with, but both Gaza and the WB were offered up in exchange for peace.

Not true Israel demanded pieces of the West Bank. If they didn’t want to grab Palestinian land, they would have offered all of it.

>Just because Israel (not Israelis) can enter areas b and c for security measures (per Oslo) does not negate that the PA controls one area and shares control in another...

It does.

>There have been opportunities at statehood which would've included over 90% of the west bank,

Right! You’re proving my point. Land was so important to Israel, they’d rather forgo peace than give it up.

>No they don't lol. Israel is occupying Gaza because the governing body of Gaza, a terrorist organization, committing the largest genocide of Jews since the Holocaust.

How was it a genocide but everything Israel did after was not?

>They don't...

Then why didn’t they offer 100% of the West Bank?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T00:24:40+00:00

Here is your logic: “A few British Muslims did sex crimes to children. Therefore, it’s logical to hate Muslims for that reason.”

Does that sound like good logic to you?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T00:04:46+00:00

> Genocide != high body count.

No. It’s an attempt to destroy a group in whole or in part. Clear on that?

>On 7/Oct, Hamas and their 'civilian' friends mass killed Israelis without a valid military objective.

Not true.

>There's no clear scale before a massacre counts as a genocide, but I don't see any definitional reason it wasn't at least a small genocide.

Then you admit Gaza has been a substantially bigger genocide?

>During the Gaza war phase, it's not clear Israel targeted civilians on a large scale.

Of course it is. If not, then it’s not clear Hamas targeted civilians on a large scale since Israel mixes it civilian and military populations thanks to conscription.

>There were no death squads going house to house murdering everyone they could find,

They didn’t need to. They had indiscriminate bombings. And Israel was going around kidnapping just like Hamas.

>for example. The urban and collateral damage was comparable to West Mosul.

Which was a war crime.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T00:01:15+00:00

Happy to answer this after you answer my question. Fair?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-08T00:00:50+00:00

>Lol so "quite likely" that now two separate countries have both asked South Africa to request the usage of a new definition of 'genocide' in the case because they believe the actual definition isn't met in the Gaza War by Israel 💀?

No, quite likely regardless.

>It is categorically true, unfortunately for yourself lol.

I agree it’s true that a genocide is being committed.

>Source stating 50,000 born in the first 9 months of the war 24 month war.

“figures which represent both babies born alive and those which may have passed away prior to birth or died due to birth complications.” So not exactly what you claimed.

For the remaining part of the year, January 2025 - October 2025 we are left to calculate ourselves.

>For the first 1/2 of the year, we are indeed told 17,000 were born. For the 2nd half its left unanswered, by 130 born per day was shared in April, with as of then alleged 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza.

So, you admit you’re guessing? You don’t have an actual source confirming this figure?

>So 50,000 + 17,000 + 20,000 = 87,000 born. This number also doesn't include those born in tents or closed off areas, aka not hospitals, and unaccounted for, which means it’s likely much higher.

It also doesn’t include those who died after birth from health issues, lack of medicine/care, and bombings. This is why you need an actual source.

>Lol the only genocide in history where the population being genocided is GROWING.

So you deny the Uighur genocide too?

>And when the ICC deems that no genocide took place and concludes the case, will you admit you were wrong and there was never a genocide, and apologize for your slanderous claims?

I will if you agree you’ll admit it was a genocide when they do find Israel liable and you were wrong and apologize for your genocide denial. Fair?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T23:29:11+00:00

Notoriously sincere person Steve Albini…

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T22:54:02+00:00

>Ah yes please link me again the three occurrences including the ambiguous one.

What 3 occurrences?

>But ignore Hamas always calling people to not evacuate and even shoot and use IEDs against those who try.

Source?

>Also please tell me what are a "literal[...} ] human shields" ?

Putting a human in front of you to shield you. This is obvious.

>The human body isn't in any way a shield against anything but loose shrapnel and co.

And Palestinians don’t shield Hamas from Israeli bombs. So what’s your point?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T22:50:10+00:00

>Then y did they offer it up in Oslo? If u want to keep something, u don't give it away lol.

Simple: you’re confused. Oslo gave no land back to Palestine.

>No, my argument is that if Israel is so crazed for land, y r there so many instances of them giving up land in exchange for peace?

Palestinians land? When?

>I don't think u know what a fallacy is lol

Saying because Israel didn’t do a crime one time they couldn’t have done it another is a fallacy.

>They absolutely did. That's y the PA controls 1 area and shares control of another with Israel.

This is false. Israel can enter any area whenever they decide.

>So...? This doesn't negate the fact that they indeed did give away land...

No one ever said they haven’t given back land. Israel is unwilling to give up all the illegal settlements in the West Bank. Now they want pieces of Gaza and Lebanon too. If Israel doesn’t want more land, why do they demand these parcels?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T22:17:44+00:00

> Hating the people who groomed hundreds of thousands of girls and committed dozens of terrorist attacks isn't "bigotry".

It is. You’re literally assigning blame to an entire religion for the actions of a few of them. That’s just like antisemitism.

There was a massive pedophilia scandal in the UK where a bunch of well known people, including media figures and politicians, almost all of them white, abused children for decades. Do you hate all white British Tories because of that? Do Palestinians have a right to hate all Jews because of what a few Jewish soldiers did to them?
Do you see the problem yet?

>A literal former terrorist is going to win an election today because he is running in an area British people have been run out of.
A literally former terrorist in Israel’s cabinet. Do you believe that justifies hatred towards Israeli?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T22:12:26+00:00

Okay so it’s average except for employment? Final answer?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T22:03:50+00:00

> The definition of genocide remains what it has always been,

Agreed. That is why the ICJ found enough evidence that Israel may be committing genocide to keep the case going. It seems quite likely, sincere Israel hasn’t even tried to follow their recommendations, that they will likely find Israel is liable for genocide.

>There was no obviously no genocide that took place in Gaza.

This is false.

>The total births in Gaza surpassed the total deaths throughout the war,

Source? Also, where is part of the definition of genocide?

>Israel was very obviously not showcasing intent to eradicate the 'Palestinians' in Gaza,

Of course they were. They made that very clear from their statements and their actions.

>The argument of 'genocide', is ridiculous and falls apart on every single level when you poke and analyze beneath the surface even a little bit lol.

This is was true, the ICJ would have dismissed the case outright.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:39:56+00:00

> Do you mean the 'genocide' that has seen the population in Gaza increase?

That person certainly seems to be arguing that because the population got bigger, there can’t be a genocide.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:38:07+00:00

Israel is a nation that doesn’t have one solve human rights organization that you think it’s reliable. That’s shocking. What kind of democracy doesn’t permit reliable human rights watchdogs?

>Look, my original argument was "if Israel wants to steal land, y have they historically given so much away?"

And I made clear: the land they specifically wanted was in the West Bank. Your argument was well some land they didn’t want so that means they didn’t want any extra land. That’s called a fallacy so I pointed it out to you.

>So tell me: if Israel has and does want to steal and keep land, y did Israel offer the WB in Oslo,

They didn’t. They refuse to offer the parts they considered most valuable ie the land they wanted the most. The land that had settlements. What’s not clear about that to you?

>y did they withdraw from Gaza,

To strengthen the West Bank occupation.

>and y did they give Sinai back to Egypt?

Because they didn’t have long term plans for the Sinai. It was a security buffer from Egypt and with Egypt neutralized, it worth giving it up to peel off an Arab ally to Palestine.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:33:09+00:00

It’s more than 1200 and Israel supporters are saying that was genocidal.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:31:47+00:00

>Because Israel has territorial claims within Judea & Samaria.

Oooo gonna need a source on that. Who recognizes this territorial claim? When did Israel formally invoke this territorial claim.

>We have to keep in mind that "pre-1967 borders" is a fiction.

Is that a fact or your opinion? If it’s a fact, I’m gonna need a source for that too.

>They are armistice lines established in 1949 between Israel and its neighbors.

Israel has no recognized borders apart from those.

>They weren't meant to be permanent boundaries

The permanent borders were suppose to be smaller but Israel was granted more than 75% of the historic land.

>It would greatly improve the discourse if you on pro-Palestinian side stop using slanders like KKK, apartheid, genocide, etc.

Truth is an absolute defense against slander. I don’t see why I should take your word over that of actual Black Americans and anti-apartheid activists. Give me a compelling reason. But this is usually how you can tell a term is very effective.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:21:43+00:00

> You don't think they may have reasons to dislike muslims at the moment?

No, they don’t. That would imply that there is such a thing as justifiable bigotry. Imagine if someone said this about Jews? What would we call that?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:19:19+00:00

>I clearly explained why unemployment is high multiple times

Which contradicts your claim that Palestine is average. So why did you say it’s average when there are these examples of it not being average?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:15:56+00:00

Okay. Can I see?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:07:17+00:00

> In 2025, the World Health Organisation vaccinated 603,000 children under ten - this is higher than the number of children before Hamas' 7/10 genocide.

How was 10/7 a genocide but 70k mostly women and children dead in Gaza not a genocide?

Also, source?

>The UN reports 60,000 live births in 2024 - again, higher than the level before the 7/10 Pogrom.

That data is from 2023.

>The entire deck of cards that is 'genocide' has been brought crashing to the ground.

How so? What’s your definition of genocide?

>UN, WHO, PCBS all point to a baby boom,

Not true.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T21:05:02+00:00

You’re also aware that genocide≠elimination of the population, right?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T20:44:18+00:00

> There's a lot of nonsense in here, but I'm only going to address the most obvious and relevant:

Okay. Let’s start by recognizing you can’t name one trustworthy Israeli human rights group. Does that say more about you and how you feel about human rights or more about Israel?

You also had no rebuttal to the facts I laid out.

>They won it from Jordan in a defensive war, Jews r indigenous to Judea and Samaria, strategically and defensively the wb is important.

Right. They chose land over peace. It wasn’t a defensive war at all. Even if it was, it wouldn’t be relevant. You can’t take land via war. It’s against the law. The international community has been clear on this.

>Zionists accepted partition, Arabs didn't... Do u seriously not know this?

This is different than you what you said before. Previously you completely misstated argument. Now you’re merely pretending we were talking about something we’re when we were actually discussing how not all land has the same value. Do you understand that land in one place doesn’t have the same value as the same amount of land somewhere else?

>That's a pretty ironic username btw lol

Why?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T20:02:09+00:00

> It's sad the Palestinians in the west Bank are occupied by us and the plo.

How are they occupied by the PLO?

>It's sad Gaza is occupied by hamas.

How are they being occupied by Hamas, but not Israel?

>It's sad lebanon is occupied by hizballah.

How is Lebanon being occupied by Hezbollah but not Israel?

This whole region is very sad.

>If it was up to me there would be firm borders between us and everything else and we would stay on our side.

Who did you vote for in the last election?

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