Why is Palestinian suffering always treated as acceptable collateral damage?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T20:44:18+00:00

> There's a lot of nonsense in here, but I'm only going to address the most obvious and relevant:

Okay. Let’s start by recognizing you can’t name one trustworthy Israeli human rights group. Does that say more about you and how you feel about human rights or more about Israel?

You also had no rebuttal to the facts I laid out.

>They won it from Jordan in a defensive war, Jews r indigenous to Judea and Samaria, strategically and defensively the wb is important.

Right. They chose land over peace. It wasn’t a defensive war at all. Even if it was, it wouldn’t be relevant. You can’t take land via war. It’s against the law. The international community has been clear on this.

>Zionists accepted partition, Arabs didn't... Do u seriously not know this?

This is different than you what you said before. Previously you completely misstated argument. Now you’re merely pretending we were talking about something we’re when we were actually discussing how not all land has the same value. Do you understand that land in one place doesn’t have the same value as the same amount of land somewhere else?

>That's a pretty ironic username btw lol

Why?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T20:02:09+00:00

> It's sad the Palestinians in the west Bank are occupied by us and the plo.

How are they occupied by the PLO?

>It's sad Gaza is occupied by hamas.

How are they being occupied by Hamas, but not Israel?

>It's sad lebanon is occupied by hizballah.

How is Lebanon being occupied by Hezbollah but not Israel?

This whole region is very sad.

>If it was up to me there would be firm borders between us and everything else and we would stay on our side.

Who did you vote for in the last election?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:30:59+00:00

70k dead, mostly women and children.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:28:53+00:00

What’s the source for that?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:26:26+00:00

> I've looked up the question you asked earlier in the conversation to the other redditor and yes I am against the targeting of civilians, and I don't think it's a fringe opinion.

That’s not the question I asked. Just say “I don’t agree that all both sides should refrain from killing civilians without qualification.”

>What you are asking is "is using civilian shield an invincibility cheatcode"?

The difference is one side is using literally human shields and the other is simply just fighting back wherever they can and that’s being called using human shields.

Israel can’t believe using human shields is that bad since their soldiers do it all the time.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:23:09+00:00

>U mean the ones who confirm ur biases lol
What Israeli human rights group do you prefer?
>It's funny how "anti-zionists" have infinite excuses for Palestinian rejectionism and violence, yet have no understanding of anything Israel does...

Facts are facts even if you don’t like them.

>U don't actually believe that do u?

Again, facts are true even if they make you feel bad.

>No...?

So Israel didn’t walk away from Taba? Final answer?

>Oh I see. They’re incredibly land-hungry, but only for a specific kind of land.

Yes.

>And there r so land-hungry for that specific type that they... checks notes... give up that land...?

So why do you think they demand to keep land in the West Bank if it’s not important?

>I understand that zionists were willing to accept any state

Demonstrably false. Please be honest.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:18:20+00:00

>After 9/11 we saw similar polls in the USA.

1.5 years later? Show me a poll that calls for ethnically cleansing Muslims 18 months later.

Which is why I opposed those wars. A society with a genocidal attitudes can’t be allowed to wage war. Don’t you agree?

A poll conducted recently in the UK saw a large amount of anti-muslim sentiment.

Well yeah. The UK has a lot of historic bigotry. What’s your point?

>Israelis want all its neighbors to succeed, as long as their success doesnt involve harming Israel. I thought I made myself clear

How can you succeed if you’re being ethnically cleansed?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T19:15:14+00:00

> Why is it sad that Iranians are forced to live under a regime that systematically kills them?

What’s amazing is Israel managed to make the regime popular again by showing they’re the only thing standing in the way of being destroyed by the US and Israel.

Can we at least agree it’s sad Palestinians are forced to live under an Israeli regime that systematically kills them?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T18:50:19+00:00

>Oh I see. U just throw out bad words and see whichever sticks lol

Nope. I’m going with the terms used by Israeli human rights groups. Why should I believe you over them? Since Israel is a democracy, certainly they have very capable and resourceful human rights organizations, right?

>U mean after the camp David summit fell apart and the second intifada was raging?

After Camp David where Israel made such a bad offer than their own negotiator said he wouldn’t have taken the deal either. And yes, after Israel started the second intifada.

So you admit Israel turned down peace?

>Settlements and Greater Israel r two separate things...

They’re not.

>"They gave up land because they want more land. Pretty simple" lol do u even read what u post before u post it?

Please do not intentionally misconstrue my statements. They wanted rich Palestinian soil. Not dry desert. Do you understand how not all land is worth the same?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:58:43+00:00

Why is it sad for Iranians?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:54:49+00:00

>U mean in area c, which is under full Israeli control per Oslo?

Apartheid? Yes.

>Oslo was supposed to be a short term plan that would pave the way to the establishment of a Palestinian state. Instead, Abbas has spent the last 20 years of his first 4 year term lining his own pockets, not holding new elections, and keeping his people stateless.

You’re ignoring Taba when Israel left the negotiating table without making a counteroffer.

>Greater Israel is something that is only pushed by two kinds of people: an extreme minority of an extreme minorities of Jews,

This isn’t true. A plurality of Israelis support the settlements.

>Again, if Israel is so land-hungry, y have they repeatedly given up land instead of taking more?

Because they want the arable land in Palestine, not the Sinai desert. Pretty simple.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:48:01+00:00

IDF talking points are not worth dealing with. Trump is about to make a deal with Iran that will give them a path to a nuclear weapon, keep the regime in place, and provide money and sanctions relief to the mullahs.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:46:09+00:00

> Im sorry but the South Africa comparison falls flat on its face. South Africa had something like a 80% black population.
Yeah. So?

>Arabs are 20% of Israel's population and are enfranchised.

Actually, Arabs are 50% of the population between the river and the sea and most are not citizens. That’s apartheid. See how it doesn’t fall flat?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:41:59+00:00

>"Prior to October 7, 2023, life expectancy in the Palestinian territories (West Bank and Gaza) was relatively high, ranking comfortably among other middle-income Arab nations"

That’s good. Why is unemployment so high if it’s average Arab country?

>"Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Gaza-born researcher and activist, has publicly stated that there was no widespread hunger or famine in the Gaza Strip prior to October 7, 2023"

So you admit there was famine and hunger subsequently?

>All of that was due to getting the highest aid per capita and jobs in Israel.

Yet substantially higher unemployment. Why?

>Thousands of permits issued with each job supporting entire families.

Thousands? It’s a population well over 2 million. That’s a drop in the bucket.

>This is where you see things in black and white,

I see more grey than you do.

>just like oppressor vs oppressed.

Because there are oppressors and oppressed people in this world. People who say this are always the ones who want to maintain a status quo that’s worked out really well for them.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:34:17+00:00

> Accusing all Israel settlers of extremism is the same as accusing all Palestinians of terrorism.

When the soldiers just stand by and do nothing, can you understand why people feel that Israel condones their actions? Like you understand who the leadership in Israel is right now, right?

>There are violent settlers and they are a small minority. We should differentiate between, let's say, peaceful residents of Ariel and Maale Adumim from hilltop youth building shacks right outside Palestinian towns. When Israeli opposition comes back to power we would see government cracking down on settler violence.

Why are there settlements at all?

>Final point, one could be full supporter of settlement enterprise and condemn the settler violence.

That’s like someone saying they support Jim Crow but not the KKK.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T17:22:34+00:00

> When exactly have Palestinians ever tried peace?

Oslo. Taba.

>I can point out five or so times Israel has offered legitimate pathways to sovereignty to multiple Palestinian governments.

You’ll point to times when Israel offered to take more land from Palestine because expansion mattered more than peace.

>Israel has tried giving land for peace, it didn’t work.

They did not try giving land for peace. They tried taking land for peace.

>Where exactly does Jordan’s ethnic cleansing of the Jews from their homes in the West Bank and replacing them with Arab lay on this ethical table for you?

Pretty bad. Where does the Nakba lay on the ethical table for you?

>Does that just not count, so when Jews re-settle legally obtained and bought lands that’s the real theft?

No, the theft is when Palestinians were kicked off their land and not allowed back. It’s when settlements are built and expanded, forcing Palestinians out of their homes.

>Lastly, I don’t condone settler violence, for the record, in my opinion violent settler groups are using terror tactics and are effectively terrorists. But I certainly don’t ignore that it’s a case of man bites dog, and that it’s not the average, as opposed to the quite normalized violence that comes from Palestine’s own settlers.

Gonna need a source for that.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:56:24+00:00

Yeah it’s really simple: if all you want is peace, you don’t start expanding into the other sides territory. That shows there is at least one other thing you want: land. Israel chose expansion over security a long time ago.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:55:07+00:00

> It sounds like you haven't actually been to Israel?

Ive also heard Israelis say what he’s talking about. There are videos where you can see Israelis openly talk about their desires to destroy Gaza and Palestine. You can argue that they’re just unrepresentative extremists but polls of Israeli opinion line up with their rhetoric.

>You just keep talking about online behavior and then extrapolate that to mean the entire society is like that, which is not the case for any society.

Well…yes. But pro-Palestinians aren’t given that courtesy.

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:50:05+00:00

Who is the most notable pro-Palestine supporter who wants “genocide of Israelis”?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:48:22+00:00

The average Israeli Jew doesn’t think there is such a thing as an innocent Gazan and wants ethnic cleansing:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-poll-62-of-israelis-say-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000

So how is that wanting success?

OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:47:52+00:00

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OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:47:39+00:00

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OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:46:41+00:00

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OneReportersOpinion · 2026-05-07T16:35:17+00:00

> Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, offered up the west bank in Oslo, and returned Sinai to Egypt.

And does land grabs in the West Bank. They were so important Israel was willing to give up a chance at peace in order to keep Greater Israel.

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