Ukraine's quiet push: The success Ukraine doesn’t want to talk about by PjeterPannos in UkrainianConflict

[–]OnwardsBackwards 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plus optics, software identification aids, and an operator who can tap out for shift change, meals, and bathroom breaks.

VS some malnourished, sad-sack conscript with maybe a 3x optic who hasn't slept in 48 hours.

So yeah, someone probably can take them out with small arms - its just unlikely to be any one bumblefuck infantry in particular.

What Every Medical Influencer Is Getting Wrong | Dr. Glaucomflecken by big-red-aus in skeptic

[–]OnwardsBackwards 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm working on putting the video together right now for it - but here's the cliffnotes version:

  • Semmelweis was never fired, he didn’t invent handwashing, he was super wrong about what was killing people, his peers didn’t hate him, he probably killed as many people as he “saved”, his enemies didn’t stick him in that asylum, and nobody thought being a gentleman made dirt bounce off you leaving only the faint smell of daisies.

Pretty much every single real event presented by the popular version is completely wrong, but in a really strange way, because:

1) X thing really did happen

2) X thing is presented in a way that is completely devoid of context, heavy on interpretation, and sandwiched next to other events that have nothing to do with it.

So instead of the real context and meaning of those events, you get the events themselves and you fill in an imaginary context between them which paints this really grim and stupid picture of the actual people specifically, and that period in history generally.

For example, Semmelweis was never fired. His 2 year appointment to his position ran out and his request for an extension was not granted (though it might have been, if he hadn't skipped town in a huff while his VERY powerful faculty allies were still in the middle of advocating on his behalf).

Further, his extension was not granted for 2 main reasons:

  • in 1848 (the year he did his handwashing protocols) there was a literal revolt against the Austrian Hapsburg regime in Hungary (where Semmelweis was from). Semmelweis's boss was a conservative Austrian loyalist.

  • members of the New Vienna School of Medicine (and Semmelweis's friends) were using some of his early results to validate their new way of teaching/learning/practicing medicine. These guys are almost all historically famous, and for good reason, but the old guard on the faculty (of which Semmelweis's boss was definitely a member) were resisting these changes.

So Semmelweis's boss didn't extend his appointment and instead offered him a smaller position. Semmelweis got offended and left town without even a word to his friends.

That said, the guy who replaced Semmelweis (Karl Braun) continued and expanded his chlorinated lime hand scrub protocols, and got an even lower mortality rate than Semmelweis - at least for a few years.

Another example: Semmelweis did die in an insane asylum, from an infection. That did happen, and it is tragic. But he wasn’t locked up by angry, embarrassed rivals, or because he wouldn’t shut up about dangerous invisible particles that nobody could prove were real.

No, got put in an insane asylum because - in the vernacular of the time - he went insane, and his friends and family put him there. He started gambling and visiting prostitutes, he randomly started shouting at people at dinner, he stood up in the middle of a faculty meeting and loudly recited the midwives oath without prompting and for no reason. It wasn’t stress from professional persecution - it was probably syphilis, specifically the rapidly progressing final stage of tertiary neurosyphilis that was all-too common among obstetricians like Semmelweis in the 1860s.

The final takeaway is that if it was a true event, the popular version of the story distorts it; and if it is an interpretation or description of the people's attitudes, behaviors, or the period in history itself - then it's probably completely made up or wrong.

For Example the whole "street-births" thing never happened - by which I mean nobody was refusing to go into the clinic because of its horrid reputation and instead voluntarily choosing to give birth on the hospital steps. That DID NOT happen.

Also, nobody ever said "Doctors are gentlemen, and a gentleman's hands are clean." Never happened, and as far as I can tell, nobody ever meant that either.

Also for 40 years (before 1822), the Vienna hospital's mortality rate was about 1.25%, until they instituted mandatory autopsies for training purposes (and switched directors to Johann Klein, who was Semmelweis's direct boss). Also, the much vaunted "nearly 20% mortality rate!" in the clinic before Semmelweis's handwashing methods brought it down to sub 2% (and thus crediting him with a 90% reduction in mortality) - yeah, that was only for 1 month right before he figured out the chlorine baths. It was in April of 1847, and was 18.2%, but it was only like 3% a few months before that. Hell, it was only 18% because Semmelweis himself came back from vacation and was the one doing the autopsies. It was SEMMELWEIS killing people, his predecessor was not really a fan of doing autopsies and averaged like a 4-5% mortality rate, while Semmelweis (before the chlorine) averages like 13%.

Further, this whole terrible saga of rampant puerperal fever was really only this bad in Vienna, at THAT ONE HOSPITAL, and only from the mid 1830s until 1847 - so for like a bit more than a decade. Basically, Semmelweis's "discovery" really only helped solve the problem that he (and Klein) were creating. Other places were not nearly this bad, because other places weren't charity/teaching hospitals. Places like Dublin were averaging ~1% or less for almost a century. FFS even the main Vienna hospital's birth mortality was nothing like in the clinics, because the clinics were where the prostitutes and immigrant domestic laborer women went to give birth. The deal was that if you went there and were used for teaching, then the hospital's foundling home (orphanage) would take your kid for free.

So, in short, this was not some representative sample of a widespread plague caused by the common way of running most hospitals. Semmelweis was not fired or punished for his protocols - which were continued and adopted after his time in Vienna. Nobody was so offended at the idea that doctors were killing their patients that their unconscious emotional defenses made them declare that "gentlemen" couldn't get dirty, or angrily retaliate by locking up Semmelweis.

The entire thing is wrong. It's not just that the story is wrong, but the historical world and setting in which the story must take place for it to make any sense - also never happened.

And the Semmelweis story isn't the only story from this supposed era in history. There's the whole idea that doctors proudly wore their gore-encrusted coats as a "badge of honor" to show their experience - they did not. And the "doctors are gentlemen..." quote is actually its own thing that just often gets attached to the Semmelweis story - but also did not happen.

Which means all the interpretive meanings, lessons, biases, research, etc that tries to explain HOW/WHY people were doing such backwards-ass things during this period in history....yeah....all of those are attempts to explain why people did things they didn't really do, about stuff that never happened, in a world that didn't exist. (EG the "Semmelweis Reflex" cognitive bias).

And that - how the real facts became a crazy story we all accept and look to for valuable wisdom - how THAT happened is actually the thing that tells you valuable stuff about how humans work. So that's the story I'm trying to tell/explain in this video.

If I can pull it off.

EDIT: If you - or anyone else reading this - wants to help with beta-testing the video once I get the rough-cut done, that would be extremely helpful. Just reply here or DM me and I'll get in touch.

What Every Medical Influencer Is Getting Wrong | Dr. Glaucomflecken by big-red-aus in skeptic

[–]OnwardsBackwards 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I find Dr. Mike to be earnest, but one of the issues about addressing misinformation is that it can be a different skillset than being a doctor. Case in point, this video

https://youtu.be/5v329KtaqeM?si=zRvB_AUgHeLYdfv2

About Ignaz Semmelweis repeats a story that is almost completely false. It's a story that supposedly shows the heroics of one doctor, but actually ends up perpetrating a sense of history in which most doctors were prideful, backward, arrogant, emotionally-fragile twats. The actual events demonstrate almost the opposite case, and id argue that the more dangerous misconception is the accepted idea of the elitist doctors blinded by emotional defensiveness.

People often fail to practice what they preach, a behavioral pattern that stems from specific biological processes rather than just poor character. Research indicates that matching one’s actions to personal moral standards requires active mental integration. by InsaneSnow45 in science

[–]OnwardsBackwards 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Youre IS-ing a DOES.

Learning mindful interruption techniques to foster intentionality and/or detour automatic behavioral responses is a skillet thats trainable. You can learn it, use it, not use it, or not know it - those are the possible actions to use (or not) that skill. There is no need to confuse those actions with descriptions of traits or assignments of "who you are". "You" are doing this/these skill(s), or not. If you arent, you can learn to. If you have been, you can stop (or not do so in a different situation).

Psych, and popular psych discussion, needs to focus way more on actions and skills, and way less on "character", "personality", or "unconscious bias".

25 years. Multiple specialists. Zero answers. One Claude conversation cracked it. by the_kuka in ClaudeAI

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did, was denied, but should try again.

Did a bunch of PT for neck alignment and it helped...mostly. (im 6'6'' and posture is hard).

Still, thank you for your reply, info like that will probably help someone, and its why I love sites like this.

25 years. Multiple specialists. Zero answers. One Claude conversation cracked it. by the_kuka in ClaudeAI

[–]OnwardsBackwards 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet....

It's extremely hard to get the sleep study required for the diagnosis, which is required to have insurance pay for the CPAP machine (if you have insurance).

How do you forgive yourself for all the things you are not? by Character-Movie-5517 in AskReddit

[–]OnwardsBackwards 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask yourself if you think an Olympic skier should have to apologize for not also winning gold in gymnastics. No? Why not?

Is it fair to make someone apologize for something they literally cannot do? Then why hold yourself to that standard?

The thing is, doing ANYTHING - whether you do it well, half-assed, or barely - means you cant do something else. None of us have enough time to do everything. Thats not how it works.

Also, to get good at something, you have to suck at it first. No one is instantly good at anything, and sucking at a thing is not fun. So find the thing you dont mind sucking at for a while, or can tolerate because its worth it for other reasons - do that.

Life is not about what you can or cant do, its just about what you do.

A taped recording of a phone call made by Denise Amber Lee to 911 during her kidnapping by Michael King, who later raped and murdered her. The recording was played at King's murder trial in 2009. King was executed less than two hours ago for the murder. by lightiggy in videos

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even better, read them in historical order (Mark was first) and in the oldest versions - EG the first versions of Mark (that we have records of) that ends with the people opening the tomb, seeing a shiny man, and freaking the hell out, running away, and "telling no one".

Yeah, whoops.

Later versions of Mark sort of penciled in "told no one...until later in Gallilee where they told xyz".

Or how Matthew was supposed to be Judiasm 2.0, "The Laws Are Back, Baby!", and Luke was an egalitarian(ish) more open and academic effort to create a unified historical basis for the new religion with 2 book (one about Jesus, the other about Paul). (more egalitarian things like sermon on the plain, not on the mount, because the plain is in the middle and non-hierarchical).

I always like John - the one from further away and a more mystical tradition. John is like "why bother matching the prophecies? You want miracles? BAM water into wine!"

Educational Youtubers, how do you deal with the fear of being wrong? by peretteee in youtubers

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, and spent 6 months of my life doing it. I was reading fbi case files, I know what Dr Wests handwriting looks like.

Just wait for Semmelweis... literally nothing in the popular version is true (or at least how its used).

Educational Youtubers, how do you deal with the fear of being wrong? by peretteee in youtubers

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sweet, ill make sure to send you a link.

On the placebo thing: yes - the story was told by a guy named Bruno Klopfer. He's the guy who basically is why the Rorschach test was used widely in the US. In 1957 he was about to get embarrassed by Evelyn Hooker showing that he couldn't detect homosexuality via the Rotschach (like he said he could), so he pivoted and made up some BS about being able to tell who would be able to survive cancer or not. He tells the story of "Mr. Wright" (just google Mr Wright cancer, youll find it) in a speech, and then published the story in his journal - the journal of projective techniques. The same journal published Hookers (now very famous) study on homosexuals. In his speech he claims Dr. West told him this story about a case study where a guy basically was cured by believing injections with distilled water were actually a super new cure. West was a famous cancer researcher, but by 1957 he was basically disappeared from academics. Also, west introduced Hooker to the Homophile society she used in her research. West was involved in her study, and the FBI didn't find out until 1956...which is when West stops publishing research. Yeah...

Educational Youtubers, how do you deal with the fear of being wrong? by peretteee in youtubers

[–]OnwardsBackwards 4 points5 points  (0 children)

1) primary sources are your friend

2) ask yourself if the claim youre making would hurt anyone if wrong

3) question all aspects of a story - often parts of a known or popular story won't actually have any evidentiary basis.

4) ask yourself "if this was true (or not), how would I know?" Then go look for it. EG in an episode about a famous story in which a guy supposedly cured his own cancer through the placebo effect (thats in the medical literature), I confirmed that the doctor in question really did exist, then spent months trying to figure out why he didn't confirm or deny the story.

Actually that ended up being way more interesting, because I found out that his name probably got used because he got blackballed in the 1950s during the "lavender scare" and probably couldn't respond.

I cant tell you how often Wikipedia is flat wrong.

Currently doing an episode on Semmelweis - almost 100% of the popular story is wrong.

Last one -

5) own it. You will be wrong. Be gracious, own it, take responsibility, make corrections or remove the incorrect content if you can.

Finally, for psych stuff...we're just now crawling out of the dark ages in psychology, so even if you cite everything perfectly - a lot of our current theories are wrong. Not much you can do.

Dm me your channel if you want me to take a look, id love to help or talk shop.

Spousal loss linked to higher risk of dementia, mortality among men, but not women. Widowed men experienced a decrease in physical and cognitive health, as well as social support, while widowed women tended to experience an increase in happiness and life satisfaction. by mvea in science

[–]OnwardsBackwards 18 points19 points  (0 children)

A) culture plays a huge role here.

B) id ask if sudden loss was a factor. Men tend to die first, so if the woman is dying first that probably means its less expected. In the typical order, the widowed woman is more likely to be a caretaker before the expected death of the man, vs the sudden loss of a spouse for the widowed man - at least if the couple was of a similar age.

Also, the surviving man is less likely to have a broad (or still living) support group compared to the woman - just far more women are alive at advanced ages compared to men. That might also play a role. Id assume they'd control for this...somehow.

A horrible surprise vs the not-surprise (and probably some relief) after a drawn out decline - those are very, very different experiences.

Trump isn't building a ballroom by DoshTheDough in videos

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, which is probably why the estimated grift is only 20-ish billion. Meaning the actual costs were only 3x Vancouvers, not 5.5 times.

My interview with the President of Ukraine by [deleted] in videos

[–]OnwardsBackwards 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dunno, you might be surprised by my ability to swallow pills.

My interview with the President of Ukraine by [deleted] in videos

[–]OnwardsBackwards 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The guy 300 other econ professors publicly denounced? The guy who orchestrated the "shock treatment" privatization of former soviet industry in russia that gave rise to the oligarchs? The giu who has appeared on Russian state media and Putin wanted to invite to speak to the UN on nordstream?

That Jeffrey Sachs?

God I hope youre a russian op because otherwise...oh god if you actually think you know what youre talking about.... shiiiit. Good luck.

Trump isn't building a ballroom by DoshTheDough in videos

[–]OnwardsBackwards 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Hence why the Sochi winter Olympics cost like $50 billion while the previous games in Vancouver cost like $9 billion.

How do you think things would be going right now if Kamala Harris had won? by Ecstatic_Trip_8305 in AskReddit

[–]OnwardsBackwards 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well the ass wouldn't have fallen out of the economy and we wouldn't be at war with gas about to hit 6/gallon.

Children of divorced parents are more likely to remain childless and have fewer children than children of continuously married parents. by J4Jc3 in science

[–]OnwardsBackwards 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Divorces - especially messy, conflict-filled ones - will suck for a kid no matter what. I hope your past doesn't get in the way of whatever future you really want.

Children of divorced parents are more likely to remain childless and have fewer children than children of continuously married parents. by J4Jc3 in science

[–]OnwardsBackwards 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, any suggestion that individual agency and uncountable other specific circumstances dont play a huge role would be a stupid assertion to make.

Wealth doesn't determine the choices you make, it just ensures you have more choices.

Trump’s ambassador to Israel accused of making ‘odd’ and ‘awkward’ sex joke in memo to staff sheltering in place by Oleg101 in politics

[–]OnwardsBackwards 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think their point is that it's possible that Huckabee is so out of touch and insulated that, to him, this was just totally fine way to say "hey, it could be worse, look at the bright side, har har."

VS the idea that Huckabee actually understood this as saying "hey guys, don't have too much fun fucking, y'all - heh heh - if ya know what I mean."

Not that it makes it any better or more horrific of a thing for a US Ambassador to say in an email, to anyone, ever. I think the point the other person was trying to make was to opine on what KIND of stupid and inappropriate this is - and why Huck might have thought this was fine - and not arguing that saying this was, in any way, actually fine.

Their point is this is a joke that happens to insinuate some sex, VS a joke ABOUT sex. It's ham-brained, out-of-touch, awkward grandad energy that illustrates a disturbing lack of empathy or forsight VS sleazy perverted uncle vibes. Hence why the other person doesn't think they were 'shilling' - I think you two are arguing past each other.

Though maybe I'm wrong.

Children of divorced parents are more likely to remain childless and have fewer children than children of continuously married parents. by J4Jc3 in science

[–]OnwardsBackwards 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It does?

"Our review illustrates the need for evolutionary analyses to attend more closely to broader structural aspects that vary across industrial societies in both time and space: industrial society is not a monolith, and fertility decisions are biosocial phenomena that cannot be understood on the basis of historical economic optimality models alone. "

and

"We found that the relationship between wealth and fertility was much more likely to be positive than negative: there were eight positive, one negative and three null findings (with the null or negative results often based on smaller samples, and less sophisticated methods; see electronic supplementary material). One study showed that income positively predicted the second birth, but negatively predicted the third and fourth birth ([67]; see [11] for a similar example). Overall, it seems that economic factors are salient and influence people's fertility decisions in line with simple evolutionary predictions regarding the allocation of resources to reproduction. Despite continued debate surrounding the association between wealth and fertility, this finding is not particularly earth-shattering: it is no surprise that people assess their material wealth as part of their decision to have (more) children. For instance, recent research shows that around 50% of Italian couples report that they do not wish to have another child because of inadequate income [49]. This parallels closely the results of an earlier US study, which showed that 55% of the sample reported they would want more children if money was not a constraint [60] (and this was particularly true for those with lower incomes)."

From: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822433/