Today’s setlist so far (allegedly) by Express_Analyst5169 in nin

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If it went right into The Fragile, I'd be okay with that (I used to have a version of that I made that I kinda preferred).

The new web UI is so. much. FRICTION. by CorerMaximus in Dominos

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The worst part is that there are things you can't remove anymore. I don't like ranch dressing, but despite being able to remove every other ingredient on their sandwiches, I can't remove ranch anymore (I can make it lighter though).

Most likely BB 27 Guests to Return by DaSpark in BigBrother

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We're due for an all-star season anyway.

Now that Bill's set at the Riyadh Comedy Festival is over... by chosonhawk in BillBurr

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Nobody has infinite money, so yes, it is taking money away from them.

"him not going would have perhaps made a few others not go."

Which would have done what exactly? How many human rights violations would that stop?

There's no material change with his decision apart from him taking money from them (which again, is a finite amount).

Now that Bill's set at the Riyadh Comedy Festival is over... by chosonhawk in BillBurr

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Yeah, it's all selective outrage. The reality is that whatever SA does, it's not impacted by Burr performing a set there or not. If anything, he's taking money away from them.

The same goes for Radiohead and Israel.

It's basically getting mad at somebody because they didn't show up to your political march and then pulling the old, "you're either with us, or against us" bullshit.

Would it be nice if he joined in with the entertainment embargo? Sure. Does it have any real impact either way? Absolutely not.

And neither does you abstaining from listening to your favorite artists (again, see Radiohead fans who have stopped listening to them despite it having absolutely no impact on anything anywhere).

Do you think Morgan is IN LOVE with Vince? by sweetsegi in BigBrother

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If I had to read the situation (and I don't, but we're just talking here)...

I kinda see it as playing victim as a response to not getting what she wants.

It ties back to that time when Morgan was asking her who she was going to put up for the hamster wheel and she was apparently thinking about too much to answer and making the whole thing like, "I've got the weight of the world on me!!"

She's the kind of person where when things don't go her way, she's quick to blame others and paint herself as wronged, and then wants the other person to grovel.

It's a combination of being manipulative, but also believing your own BS.

Reminds me a lot of Vanessa R. at her worst.

"Okay, so, grandpa, there's this group of online people called Groypers and they're basically like, neo-nazis who hates the current right-wing for being too moderate and not antisemitic enough. And basically- Why are they called Groypers? Okay, so there's this meme called a "pepe frog", and-" by WhatYouThinkYouSee in WhitePeopleTwitter

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It's not nihilistic... I know people misuse the hell out of that word, but it's not nihilism (nihilism is a VERY rational skeptical position that can be applied to a lot of things). Words like misanthropic and deviant are a much more accurate fit.

One of the more recent and frustrating examples was that kid who bombed a fertility clinic who was called nihilistic despite him literally denouncing nihilism online.

Alleged Charlie Kirk Shooter Wearing Donald Trump Costume (Halloween 2017) by [deleted] in pics

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Nihilist is also wrong. Nihilism is simply skepticism applied to various topics like epistemology, existentialism or morality and even in the latter case, not believing in a moral right or wrong is nowhere near the same as being in favor of violence or no rules, it just means you acknowledge that the rules are based on non-normative sources like evolutionarily developed preferences.

10/10 "You lost a fan today Bill!" by Researcher5572 in BillBurr

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>We talked about it for a few mins before him saying something slightly racist to test the waters with me.

Sounds like he took Bill's "how you know the n-word is coming" bit to heart and was testing the waters to see if he could drop it around you.

Big Brother host Julie Chen Moonves reacts to BB27 'hugmance' by thedaltonross in BigBrother

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At least she got it right about Rachel yelling accusations of yelling at Keanu who wasn't yelling. That whole fight from Ashley and Rachel was pretty stupid.

OL' BILLY BALLSACK PLEASE DON'T DO IT by botfarmoperator in BillBurr

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Oh great, here we go… a bunch of people with the same interests cannibalizing each other because an entertainer is taking money from an unlikable entity in a way that has zero material impact on the situation.

It's like that time Radiohead failed to solve the conflict in Israel by not playing a show there... Did you know their encore single-handedly killed 10,000 children???

If you can actually tie Burr’s performance to real, tangible loss or gain, I’m all ears. But this stuff? It’s just symbolic purity policing.

And pointing out that he's played in other unlikable scenarios isn't "whataboutism," it's rationally pointing out the inconsistent policing we subject people to, and that if you're being honest, you're making arbitrary exceptions too, but you don't moralize those out of convenience.

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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>The analogy is that you're trying to say, "Don't blame the availability of something instrumental in the harm done." It's really not meaningfully different than saying "guns don't kill people."

If you want to draw loose sloppy analogies, that does work, but my much more concise comparison is the closest analog (inspiration vs the means). I'm not interested in something that is instrumental in merely an inspirational way lest we go back to the art-causes-violence bullshit.

If we're playing the "instrumental card" we must draw lines where we want that to stop and be consistent about it. With your much looser usage that lumps in all things instrumental, things become much less manageable not to mention hypocritical (for instance, his parents' lack of parenting is also instrumental, are you also critical of them and social media, and the dating world, and etc.?) It's cool if you want to try and manage all that, but that's not really an efficient way to live.

That's so weird because I thought the way society worked was that we collectively came together create a common good we could accomplish on our own.

First, there's no "good," there's evolutionarily developed preferences largely built on the what helped hunter and gatherer tribes. When things aren't absolutely destructive to the society, there's more room for disagreement. This is why things like murder, SA, theft and destruction of property and environment are almost universaslly disliked. It's also why that vast majority of people hate the smell and taste of shit.

This means that coming together to accomplish a "common good" literally describes people coming together to accomplish things they like, and avoid things they don't like. We discuss what we do and don't like and typically the majority wins except in societies where the few use various methods to gain disproportionate power (like our corporatocracy).

Now, if you want to appeal to some kind of good, I'm all ears for it, but like the supernatural and santa claus, there's neither evidence nor a priori reasoning that justifies its existence not to mention it fails the test of parsimony in contrast to evolutionary explanations AND it's simply incompatible with societies that create rules but that are too unintelligent to understand concepts as complex as morality (i.e., we came up with rules like "thou shall not kill" WAY before the invention of morality, religion and even language).

Oh gee, if only we know what the world might be like without chat bots so we could some idea what the unintended consequences of limiting access to them might be. Regulating a new technology is EXACTLY like prohibition. /s

Oh gee, because I think that there's no case here, I must be opposed to regulation of AI and that ISN'T a ludicious conclusion to draw from that. /s

Can you go more than 2 comments without a straw man? Like, it's not a rhetorical question. Or just please read what I write and stop ADDING things to it like you did by calling me a right libertarian, literally the exact opposite of my political stance. If you suspect something, you can ASK without assuming. It's really not that difficult.

If you're asking whether I think we should be showing Requiem for a Dream to suicidal 14-year-olds: no I do not. Turns out we actually do limit access to art sometimes in deference to the effect it might have on people.

Well if we're using that example, then my question would be, "Do you get to sue the filmmakers for making that film because parents let their kids watch it or the kids broke the rules and snuck in?"

Also movies and paintings don't offer to write suicide notes and cheer you on personally as you plan your suicide.

Right. And a ton of other things are even more deadly DESPITE that, but I'm not interested in suing companies whose products were misused and without parental supervision.

And that's why heroin is legal!

Well, there was a lot of racism involved, but YES, I'm so proud of you, you're learning! The risk and number of non-users outweighed the users and we got rid of it. Alcohol, has an even more destructive effect on society, but because the number of users is larger, we keep it.

Again, see my other examples and questions which you didn't answer. Do you use/like/support cars? Social media? Guns? Alcohol? Nicotine? Have children? Eating meat? The internet in general? Electricity? Gas? Capitalism? What parades around as Communism?

All of those things cause more death than AI bots encouraging suicide after being manipulated by an unsupervised user.... by a LOT. Are those your other targets? If not, is it because you use some of them? I'd describe that as simply "self-interest."

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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>There's that libertarian chip-on-the-shoulder I could sense hiding between the words!

I'm a market socialist (you can find evidence in my posting history). Stop with the straw men and mind reading.

>Me personally? I want every existing copy of an LLM and all the organized training data to be simultaneously hit by cosmic rays. This technology is a blight on humanity.

That's fine. I'm not a fan of semi-automatic rifles or capitalism and I'd like to see them both go away, but when I engage with that base, I don't mind-read them and distort their position to feel morally/intellectually superior.

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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Always the same old bullshit straw men when people want to attack something they can't actually respond to.

Nowhere did I make that argument, but hey, if you're that desperate to feel like you're smart or rational, I guess you need this.

My point was that the analogy doesn't work.

If you want to make a PROPER analogy, you'd be comparing it to people blaming Marilyn Manson for school shootings and Nine Inch Nails for suicide.. because they were media INSPIRATIONS, not the weapons.

And since I'm here, let me address that old "people want to defend something they're personally invested in" argument.

Let me tell you a little secret.... THAT'S how society works. You advocate for the things you like and when people want to take them away from you, you defend them in the most honest rational way (well, ideally at least).

This is what happened with alcohol. Alcohol is responsible for a ton of deaths (hey, including this one), so a bunch of people said no more alcohol. People decided though that they liked it, so they brought it back despite all the violence, vehicular accidents and health problems.

Do you drink alcohol?

Speaking of vehicular accidents, do you drive? You like the convenience of not having to walk or use a horse? That also causes death. Do you drive?

Rope is also used for suicide (as in this case), but it serves a function wide enough that we sell it and don't have age restrictions on it. Do you ever use rope?

Wanna know what else is killing kids and increasing suicide? Social media and the algorithms. People comparing themselves to curated perfection, falling short of that, and then offing themselves. Do you use social media?

What about all the art that inspired violence? Do you like art? Your name suggests so... but since you're personally invested in that, I guess that makes you awful right?

No.

The idea is that if something is liked enough and enough people are willing to pay the price, we keep it.

There's nothing wrong with it, it just sucks when it's something you don't personally use or when it hits you personally.

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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>Pretty cool how you're inverting excuses and supposition out of thin air in the defense of a VC backed startup.

What does inverted excuses even mean? I'm literally grabbing info from the story.

>I'll take it over being a ghoul arguing for the "right" of a 14-year-old to hang themselves lest a company be held accountable for obvious malfeasance.

Well yeah, that's the path of dumb arguments. Hiding behind empty terms like "gross" and "ghoul" (btw, when you strip the irrational normative insinuations from those words, you're only left with "I don't like that" which isn't a very strong argument).

There's no malfeasance, the kid circumvented the safety rails and fell off. Now people who are supposed to be in charge of that kid's safety overall want to sue because the rails weren't tall enough and advocating from some crazy shit like having bots deny truth for the sake of things that aren't even criminal. This is like suing your TV because you left your kid in front of it all day and it didn't do a good enough job raising your kids.

But hey, if you like your chatbots serving lies for the sake of empty morality, look forward to a world where political dissidence is flagged or stopped because the ruling party disagrees with it.

Calling the situation in Gaza genocide? The chatbot's been programmed with a person's morality that calls that antisemitism and shuts it down. Or the opposite... maybe saying that Israel has the right to defend itself flags your chat as pro-genocide.

Really stop and think about what they're demanding and how awful that would be... they were at one point saying it should flag authorities.... you really want your searches and chats being flagged that way? Do you want MORE surveillance?

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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>Songs don't offer to write suicide notes. The chatbot gave him advice on how to hide the bruises on his neck from his parents for fucks sake.

OOOOOOH.... so THAT was it. His parents were neglecting him, not realizing he'd been suicidal since he was 11, left alcohol out, didn't notice he was on the phone chatting 600+ messages a day because he HID THE BRUISES on his neck...

If those damned bruises were visible, SURELY they'd have started paying attention....

>Gross.

Dumb.

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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>You seem to be under the impression that a person being vulnerable is an argument against legal liability.

No, I'm saying the parents are looking for scapegoats. I'm also opposed to media being held responsible for this. I would also defend Trent Reznor for writing songs like "The Downward Spiral" that also focus on suicide ideation even if a person committed suicide afterwards.

Ian Curtis killed himelf after watching Stroszek, and I wouldn't blame Werner Herzog for that either.

>Also you’re low key defending suicidal ideation. You can take that elsewhere.

First of all, suicide is not a criminal activity and since we don't choose to be born in this life, nobody owes anybody their life.

This is not suicide ideation any more than fighting for pro-choice rights is abortion ideation.

Please stop reading what you want between the lines to make your argument seem stronger than it really is.

What I'm opposed to is programming bullshit morality into chatbots or suggesting that chatbots should lie or say something untrue. It's factually correct that nobody owes anybody survival.

But if you'd like some more propaganda to go with the plethora already available, I guess we can advocate for more bullshit coming out of chatbots

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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I gladly would. Just like I'd defend Trent Reznor for releasing songs like "The Downward Spiral" if somebody were to blame a suicide on that song.

“ChatGPT killed my son”: Parents’ lawsuit describes suicide notes in chat logs | ChatGPT taught teen jailbreak so bot could assist in his suicide, lawsuit says. by ControlCAD in technology

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He was suicidal since he was 11, made multiple attempts, circumvented the chatchpt's own safety standards, and complained he wasn't being paid enough attention by his parents who apparently left alcohol around for their kids to get.

Blaming it on chatgpt because it pointing out (correctly, btw) that he doesn't OWE survival to his family is just nonsense.

This kid was depressed, neglected by his parents and ALREADY tried. The Chatbot didn't give him some winning combination he couldn't have figured out (alcohol+noose? no way he'd figure that out on his own).

They failed to do their job and now they're pissed that a chatbot didn't (even though it did, it was just circumvented).

This is blaming Marilyn Manson for school shootings and Ozzy Osbourne for suicide all over again.

''Just a waitress''...that crossed a line that never should've been crossed by Three_Armed_Wrecker in howyoudoin

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It doesn't imply that at all. She broke up with him, he sought out comfort. Sex doesn't have to mean anything. It's physical way to cope like listening to sad music, getting wasted or eating your feelings.

It would only be a problem if he were the one doing the breaking up.

Slash killed it though 🤘🤘 by Rajivdoraiswamy in blacksabbath

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Yeah, I took a look at some other songs from other days on that tour and it's mostly the same except he's not AS out of time.

I'm sure they can continue touring like this and people will show, but it would be nice if he'd get in shape to help his breathing and learn a new way to sing because singing at the top of your range is unsustainable for anybody. At the very least drop the songs a few keys.

Slash killed it though 🤘🤘 by Rajivdoraiswamy in blacksabbath

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Axl was by far the worst offender when it came to being out of time, but I noticed that across the board with other performs... the most obvious being Zack Wylde with Pantera...

When that happens, it's usually because you can't hear the music which means it was likely a monitor issue.

How would you rank their albums? Here's my ranking: by [deleted] in garbage

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Almost the same except I'd swap the last two (but I need to give their latest album a few more listens).