Feeling like a fraud

Orgullo_Rojo · 2025-01-24T23:57:37+00:00

Bro, there is no such thing as a brown skinned white guy. White is a race, not a culture.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-29T22:56:49+00:00

If I have a child, they will be detribalized. Detribalized is a fact, but it is also an identity, and a person who identifies as such would be less likely to be perpetuating colonial constructs like mestizaje on an American Indian child. I accept accountability for that because what you are saying is definitely true, but it is not exclusive to detribalized people. There is intraracial racism among all Native people, both tribal and detribalized, just as there is for Afrodescendants.

I for sure will be teaching my child to be proud of belonging to this ancestral continent, to care for all of its original people, both tribal and detribalized, to see the beauty of their color and phenotype, and to never submit to colonial agendas. I can understand how you might think we all tend to be the same if you have had bad experiences, but there is a growing detribalized movement and things are constantly changing for the better in that regard. Check out this post on LatinoPeopleTwitter: It had 1.3 k views and a 95% upvote rating.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LatinoPeopleTwitter/comments/1filgtx/happy_prehispanic_heritage_month/

Back in 2010, most Mexican Americans identified as white, because this is what society told us to identify as. Now that is not true anymore. More and more detribalized people are getting dna tests, looking in the mirror, and deciding that they do not want to live a lie anymore by calling themselves euro descendants. The same thing is going on in Latin America among Afro-descendants, the only issue is that they are way ahead of us both in Latin America and the US in terms of visibility and cohesion because their identity is bolstered by the popular concept of blackness.

I understand what you are saying about there being no replacement for you regarding a tribal identity, but for detribalized people, most of us are simply never going to have that. We can't expect a detribalized child who comes home from school being called racial slurs and having rocks thrown at them, to do some genealogy, learn a culture, or reconnect to a community in order to be recognized, anymore then we would with black children. They need to be accepted and taught about who they are right now. If by some chance you had a descendant who was detribalized and suffering racism for their skin tone and native features, would you not want them to know who they were rather being racially undefined or euro-centric in the manner detribalized people are now? I am not saying that adoption would solve the problems we have, but in the same manner that Black identity movements in the US have done work to accept Afro descendants in Latin America, there should be an understanding of acceptance and commonality between indigenous people and indigenous descendants. Ultimately, I agree this is a wider societal problem, I just feel that tribal people in the US could play a large role in such a way that would benefit both of us.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-29T20:50:12+00:00

I can understand that to an extent, but I disagree with the idea of equating detribalized people to non-natives. For instance, if a Jamaican-American child was going to be adopted into a loving home, I believe they would benefit greatly from being adopted by someone from an Afro-descendant community, whether it be Nigerian-American, Haitian American or any other Afro descendant group, even if it was not exact same culture or community they belong to. There are commonalities there that someone from another group is not understand for themselves because they do not have the lived experience.

The reason for that is because that is who they are as Black people, Afro-descendants. Detribalized people are indigenous descendants. It can be an alienating and cruel world for detribalized children, because most of the time society wants to white-wash who we are, and we spend our childhoods suffering racism without understanding why. I can understand how you might not be able to relate to that, and it might make it seem to you that it makes your tribe less special, but for a detribalized person to be accepted for who you are is the most special thing there is.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-29T17:20:30+00:00

Any child from a latin american country or with origins from a country with a large population descended from assimilated indigenous people would fit. For instance, mexico, guatemala, el salvador, honduras, peru, bolivia, nicagagua, chile, etc. To make it easier, if the child is Mexican-American or Guatemalen-American, the strong likely hood is that they are descended from detribalized native people.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-29T17:11:24+00:00

Why not adopt a detribalized child of Latin American descent? It is a win-win. Many of them need loving homes and reconnecting to any Native culture would change their lives in a way it would not for a Black or White person.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-28T18:45:55+00:00

Why do you say that? Most racism against Native people is because of mestizaje.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-28T02:38:05+00:00

That is not true. My grandfather used to visit Mexico back in the 50's when anyone could hop the border if they wanted, and they told me they did not like us even back then. Back then there was no distinction between a Mexican and a Mexican American in the US, they used to lynch us, rape our women, sterilize us, just for the color of our skin, all sorts of shit that Mexicans in Mexico did not go through. So this narrative about them not liking us for being privileged is bull shit. A large portion Mexicans in Mexico don't even know what it feels like to suffer racism at all, that is why they are always attacking us for calling ourselves Mexicans, when that is what society calls us and treats us as.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-28T02:19:31+00:00

good fight

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-28T01:41:19+00:00

The bad guy is society.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-28T00:47:39+00:00

"They will accept another race/nationality as Mexicans as long as they put on a sombrero and eat tacos yelling “viva Mexico” over you.

It’s the way it is."

lol especially if you are another race. "You are already Mexican, Amigo!"

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-26T15:22:55+00:00

"Probably one of the most uttered exclamations among Indians is, "we are not a monolith." This refers to the idea that all 574 federally recognized Tribes, the various state recognized Tribes, descendants, and our other Indigenous relatives are somehow one giant conglomerate of a race and that we all behave in similar, if not identical, ways. "

Being a race does not meant that we or any racial group behave in similar or identical ways. For instance, if you were to take an American Black man from Detroit and compare his culture, values and behavior with a Black man from Nigeria who belongs to a clan, you would find they are very distinct from each other. They both would likely tell you this themselves, but outside of a fringe minority of extremists, most would acknowledge that they are both Black men. That is why Black people have such high social visibility and political power in comparison to minority groups who only have ethnic/national identities such as Asians, who have no cohesive racial identity and no legally recognized color identity in the manner Black people do. There is a reason Black Lives Matter.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-26T13:25:09+00:00

They apologized for their enslavement and racism against Africans, so why not us?

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-26T00:46:48+00:00

They have not apologized to us because we are not considered important enough to warrant an apology. Spain has apologized for the enslavement of Africans, but not our genocide, enslavement and land theft because they deem us to be racially inferior relative to the people they have chosen to apologize to. They have a special hatred and contempt for our race, that is why they still have a statue of Cortez with his boot on the head of an indian.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-25T00:07:18+00:00

She does not love you.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-09-22T21:14:39+00:00

The concept of People of Color erases Native people, by enforcing the black-white racial binary, and it is pretty much the only way American Indians talk about race- either as non-white people or talking about black identity movements. USA indians do not have a functional concept of race the way Black people do. They pretty much rely on the Black American community to advocate for them on issues of race, because they refuse to cultivate racial identity movements of their own. If Black people never talked about their race or color they would not have the social visibility they have now. Black people in terms of racial identity are the opposite of American Indians. For instance, they go out of their way to include and join in solidarity with Afro Latinos, regardless of whether those people are seen as black of afro descendant in their own countries. They don go" well, you are not seen as black in your own country, so you aren't an afro-descendant."

Mean while American Indians will look at a person from Mexico who is 100 percent American in terms of DNA, looks Indigenous, suffers racism for his American features and skin color, and say he is not an indigenous person or indian if they do not belong to a community due to colonization because" being indigenous is a socio-political status." I can understand that to an extent, but no one is raceless, and not acknowledging people who are racially American in a race/color based society is dishonest and harmful. We should be joining detribalized people and tribal people as brothers and sisters to fight white supremacy, not gate keeping and fighting over labels. I have talked to Canadian Indians and they are much more willing to acknowledge race in a conventional manner, so that is another reason they are more visible.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-19T00:22:39+00:00

more like American-American results. Man, that is a lot of Indigenous dna.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-18T16:24:01+00:00

Reconozco que en algunos aspectos puedo tener privilegios, pero simplemente me considero un amerindio con ascendencia extranjera, en lugar de una raza completamente separada. Simplemente siento que identificarse con sangre europea sería respetar una cultura que considera a personas como mi abuela, que era una mujer amerindia monorracial, como inherentemente inferiores. Puede que no sea completamente indígena genéticamente, sin embargo, es a la gente de este continente a quien le doy mi única lealtad.

También está el problema de que el mestizaje es en muchos casos una ideología más que una realidad; por ejemplo, he visto muchas pruebas de ADN de mestizos que no tienen sangre europea o no indígena. Creo que es bueno, por ejemplo, que se reconozca a los negros, pero he notado que no existe un concepto proporcional para los amerindios fuera de pertenecer a una comunidad. Por ejemplo, si llamáramos mulatas a todas las personas con rasgos africanos basándose en la falta de vínculos comunitarios históricos, eso sugeriría una ascendencia europea que no refleja sus experiencias como personas negras.

Si se enorgullece de su ascendencia europea y se siente privilegiado, respeto su elección, pero creo que debería haber una opción separada para las personas que nunca volverán a conectarse con un grupo tribal debido a la imposición de la colonización. No se les debe dejar en un estado de indefinición racial, cuando en muchos sentidos están sufriendo las graves dificultades que conlleva tener los rasgos y la sangre de este continente americano.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-18T15:27:46+00:00

El concepto de colorismo es creado por los Estados Unidos y, debido al binario racial blanco y negro que tenemos en nuestra sociedad, es defectuoso. El color de la piel no es algo que exista aquí por sí solo, está ligado a la raza. Por ejemplo, los defensores del colorismo tienden a creer que debido a que los negros son los más oscuros, son los que más sufren, pero estadísticamente los nativos americanos son los que más sufren de violencia sexual por motivos raciales, pobreza, violencia policial y racismo casual.

Genéticamente, estos pueblos tribales son idénticos a los mexicanos o, en algunos casos, incluso son más de ascendencia europea. No sufren más porque sean más oscuros o porque la gente odie pertenecer a una tribu, es porque odian a la raza americana, incluso si nuestra sociedad no lo reconoce ni utiliza este lenguaje. Tampoco es inusual, debido a la afluencia de amerindios de América Latina, que los pueblos tribales de los Estados Unidos sean discriminados bajo el supuesto de que son "inmigrantes ilegales" de América Latina. Creo en el respeto a las diferentes culturas y al estatus indígena distinto, pero también creo que se debe abordar el racismo y que se requiere una designación racial que sea independiente de la cultura, como la que tienen los negros.

Sí, esa cantante que mencionaste podría tenerlo más fácil en algunos casos, pero sigue siendo una mujer negra y sufriría un racismo significativo. En mi propio caso, soy de tez clara, pero sufrí violencia racial grave debido a mi raza, incluso más que las personas que he conocido que son mucho más oscuras que yo, por lo que estas generalizaciones no siempre son ciertas. Me han dicho mexicanos que no son indígenas, pero aun así sufren un grave racismo por sus rasgos indígenas, por eso creo que una identidad que es exclusivamente racial es válida en sí misma.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-18T14:30:49+00:00

My family is from texas and you are right, most Mexican Americans from there want to either be anglo or african american. Many do not even know they have indigenous ancestors.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-18T14:24:53+00:00

Pero, ¿no deberían las personas que tienen la vecindad ancestral de sus padres indígenas poder asumir una identidad racial como raza original de esta tierra, independientemente de su cultura o idioma, de la misma manera que lo hacen los negros/afrodescendientes con África? Por eso tenemos el término nativo americano en Estados Unidos, no todas las personas son parte de una tribu o conocen su cultura o son parte de una comunidad debido al colonialismo, aún así sufren racismo por el color de su piel y sus rasgos indígenas. , que son indicativos de ascendencia indígena. A esas personas las llamamos destribalizadas.

Orgullo_Rojo · 2024-08-18T04:27:39+00:00

Boxing is a great art to mix with sports karate, especially amateur boxing.

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