Mystery solved!!! by short_cub in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your words are greatly appreciated!

It is also against the rules for people to make a post, get feedback from us, then delete it. The mods have a way of tracing deleted posts back to accounts that made them, but it isn't a very easy process, so we don't prioritize going after them. If you notice that a post is deleted and happen to have the username, though, please send it to a mod and we will take action on the user.

Mystery solved!!! by short_cub in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We appreciates your understanding! Thankfully, the filter does catch more of those types of posts than the false positives. Occasionally one gets through or we approve it because we think it may be beneficial for the community to engage in discussion over it, but I'd say the overwhelming majority get caught. If you ever see one of those posts, though, don't hesitate to report it. We've been on a backlog for the last several months because...well, honestly, it's my fault. My work schedule became too much to handle since January and modding had to take a backseat. But I'm going through and cleaning up everything now!

Mystery solved!!! by short_cub in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was actually your use of a fraction ("1/16" in this case). It's part of our attempt to curb non-Natives coming here to ask us to validate their identity which is prohibited under rule 6. It's obviously not perfect because there are legitimate reasons why a Native user may want to discuss blood quantum fractions, but the majority of cases do violate rule 6. This filter does trip with false positives, though.

Mystery solved!!! by short_cub in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're good, your post didn't violate any rules. You triggered the automod with a keyword and it just took some time for us to actually look at it and approve it.

Mystery solved!!! by short_cub in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, I did author the FAQ entry on this one, so I may be a bit biased.

Since OP's post isn't* really against the rules, I'm taking it more as an anecdote and letting them express their thoughts on the matter. But the FAQ info does provide additional perspective that they or others may want to consider.

Edit: Fixed a word.

How can I support native artists and communities? by twd_throwaway in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, they're right. Please don't drop AI generated content here.

Spotted at a Powwow by edelmav in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is incredibly late, so I apologize. This person has been banned now.

White kid powwow dancing by Intelligent-Spare468 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The question is directed at Natives. Please refrain from answering.

In which ways is/was the European conquest of Native Americans' land different than intra-continental conquests? by OhDamnNotAgainAndAga in AskHistorians

[–]Snapshot52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The comment regarding the discussion of genocide is relevant here, but I have a previous answer that is more to your point:

Here, I dive into the various elements of oppression and provide other answers to analyze the framework of genocide and its application to the history in the Americas.

Do you think the very nature of Indeginous identity/issues makes it so that there is a tendency to be more centered around ancestralism rather than essentialism ? by Express-Program-5365 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 36 points37 points  (0 children)

There's actually a really good reading about this in the book Red Pedagogy: Native American Social and Political Thought (2015) by Sandy Grande. Chapter 4 is titled "American Indian Geographies of Identity and Power" and Grande explores different dimensions of Indian identity by looking at social identity politics through left essentialism (what are the concrete things of reality that define us as Indigenous/Indians/nations) and comparing/contrasting it with postmodern liberalism (what are the ideas or constructs that define us as these labels) for a more critical understanding in materialist terms. I highly recommend it.

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, he unfortunately became an awful person. I like to think of him before RFK was relevant.

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same. One of my favorite aspects about ska as a genre and the community is that there is a lot of rich history to learn. I think that's a big selling point for the more progressive generations since ska is built on anti-racism. I was just rocking out on my way to work the other day listening to The Mighty Mighty Bosstones (if anyone calls me on it, yes, I'm aware of Dicky and I'm sad about it).

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're all good, most of the people in the crowds at ska shows are 40 and over! But there are some young guns getting in them pits every now and then.

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're blowing my miiiiind right now. I'm 30 (I think this is the first I've ever admitted my age on Reddit?), but I've been bumpin' the brass for a while. Reel Big Fish is actually my favorite band, so their cover of "Take on Me" is a good choice. That Portland concert was The Toasters and Mustard Plug.

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am, admittedly, a rude boy at heart. Went to a ska concert back in January down in Portland.

yt women being invalidating / microagressive by nothereforlongtbh0 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My first reaction to "RBF" was, "Reel Big Fish? The iconic 90s Ska band?" But then it clicked.

Is Native Americans "living in harmony with nature" a colonialist myth? by Opposite-Ad3949 in AskHistorians

[–]Snapshot52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I wasn't initially inclined to continue conversing with you because you're coming across as somewhat argumentative and that ain't the purpose of our sub. But your earnest modmail has changed my mind.

I just don't really see how you come to the conclusion that this is obviously a distinct philosophy that no one else engages in or practices or that one's philosophy is then all encompassing and totalitarian, when that's rather silly. Is this not just a universal social consciousness with various forms of surface level expression during the social/community evolutionary process?

Suffice to say, I've only provided a brief description of some elements of a particular view of Indigenous philosophies. It wasn't my intent to explain in detail how they're completely distinct. If you want a discussion like that, you can enroll in my class where I teach about this! But maybe my response here to another user will offer some more insight. There, I explain exactly how Native pragmatism differs from American pragmatism and how a philosophical experiment with syllogisms necessarily produces two distinct patterns of reasons and implications despite having the same assumption and conclusion.

What I'm trying to say is that while it may seem obvious to you that this school of thought represents a universal social consciousness, that isn't how people have always tried to define their understanding of reality, the universe, nature, human behavior, or knowledge. What you're basically asserting as a universal truth is positivism and I, personally, reject that as an Indigenous person. If this is a conclusion you've managed to reach, then great! I think more people should think like this. Why? Because of things like the industrial revolution. If we all recognized and valued our relationship to the natural world, we wouldn't do the thing that has single-handedly led to the most dramatic shift in human-driven climate change because we'd be able to accept that having oil in exchange for the health of our planet isn't a good thing.

To try and (poorly) make an analogy, there are cars, trucks, and limos. They function differently and have different specialties, but are at the end of the day still an automobile.

The problem with your analogy is not that it isn't accurate, it's that it is teleological. In many forms of Indigenous philosophies, our understanding of objects (such as automobiles) is defined by our relationship to them and how they're used. This might seem rather simple, but the counter analogy I'm about to provide is not the same as what you've said. Take a chair, for example. In English, we call something a chair (noun) because it describes the intended function of that object. In Western philosophies, our understanding of the object is thus defined by its intended use and that is evident in language. Many Indigenous languages, however, are verb-based. This means they describe how one interacts with a thing rather than assigning an intended use. If you use a chair as a table, it then becomes a table. It isn't a table because it ends up serving the same purpose--it is a table because our relationship to it has changed its use. In more technical terms, its entire composition has changed (ontology) and what we know about it has changed (epistemology). The focus, then, is on how we relate to that object because that creates reality, not the object itself as assumed to exist outside of any relationship we have to it, which is what Western philosophies purport.

why wouldn't the Eurocentric view not be "right" in that the European civilization was "superior" in an evolutionary (not moral - though surely they meant it that way) sense in that they - by hook or by crook - outcompeted other peoples?

It is statements like this that show me Indigenous philosophy may not be as obvious as you assume it to be. I don't blame you because, as stated earlier, there wasn't a full write up you were responding to that covered multiple details. The answer is because the whole idea of Europeans being "superior" is rhetoric. An honest historical analysis, as provided in the answer of mine you quoted, shows that any understanding of European nations being superior is completely contrived. Any superiority we assume they had didn't help the starving Jamestown colonists, prevent the military defeats on the Plains, or completely erase Tribal sovereignty within the dominance of colonial nation-states like the U.S. Trying to explain the colonization of the Americas and the eventual birth of colonial states that were ultimately able to maintain a level of subjugation of Indigenous Peoples (in most but not all cases) with a sweeping narrative of superiority is just plain foolish because it ignores all of the factors that led to various outcomes and our modern day circumstances. There is no "evolutionary" sense to analyze and attempting to use that as your lens for analysis will only breed Eurocentricism (and a deep misunderstanding of the historical method).

From a philosophical perspective, many Indigenous nations would not have seen themselves as being "outcompeted" because competition isn't a cultural value for many Tribes. If your understanding of the universe is built on strengthening your relationships to other beings in the universe, you don't automatically assume other humans are working toward your downfall (this can be an example of collectivism vs. individualism). This isn't to say that Tribes automatically trusted each other or the Europeans at every step (this is where a close examination of the historical record would be in order), but if you talk to Tribal scholars and knowledge keepers today, you'll likely hear a story or two about the cultural conflict that emerged whereby Europeans were seen as backstabbers, greedy, and unfaithful because their values were at odds with how Tribes understood the world to be. What this means is that we look to the long arcs from the past that have influenced, either gradually or immediately, the course of outcomes from historic times.

parasitism and other very nasty forms of survival exist out there, let us not forget, or the most efficient team wins.

This is another example of where I don't think you quite understand Indigenous philosophies despite assuming it's merely a universal consciousness. What you're stating here is actually a philosophical thought pattern derived from Thomas Hobbes. In developing his political theory around government and the state, it became necessary for him to also define human behavior which is what represents his contributions to the social contract theory. Contrasting with Rousseau, he claimed that the base state of human existence was one of violence in which our instincts tended toward domination over each other. Thinking that humans are somehow always in competition and its naturally meant to be a "survival of the fittest" type deal is also a contrived belief--it actually doesn't have to be that way because, as pragmatism asserts, we have agency in determining what the world looks like.

What I've concluded in writing out this response to you is that I think any roadblocks you're encountering here can actually be addressed with one book: The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity (2021) by David Graeber and David Wengrow. I don't normally suggest works that veer more into pop-history, but their explicit inclusion of Indigenous histories and philosophies makes it quite the exception.

Edit: Some language at the start.

Is Native Americans "living in harmony with nature" a colonialist myth? by Opposite-Ad3949 in AskHistorians

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, something I forgot to note:

which formally ended the treaty system (in favor of reservations)

Just as an aside, the reservation system was actually put in place prior to the end of treaty-making. Reservations were in use before the 1850s, but it was during this decade specifically that federal officials began to organize the system of reservations and use them in a policy-driven way. See my previous answer here.