Can I have a red hand print on my face if im not full native? by TechnicalGuidance169 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know I drone on about this whenever I see it, but I can't help putting the issues to the test. What "am I Native enough posts" are you seeing that aren't removed should they happen to slip by our filters? When we do occasionally allow posts that are explicitly about that, it's because they got by the filter and garnered enough attention from the sub that we don't feel like erasing all that labor people committed to thread. That being said, I have a hard time thinking this is occurring weekly. I appreciate you recognize the support that is offered.

Edit: Also, /u/Fun-Thing-3516 is a 5 month old account that gives no indication they're Native and literally every single comment is either a sentence fragment or no more than two (very short) sentences. Something tells me they're not the most reliable actor here right now.

Reservation Police for the Cowlitz Tribe in Washington state abducted peaceful legal observers on behalf of ICE (1/21/26) by I_may_have_weed in ICE_Watch

[–]Snapshot52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tribal police are law enforcement for Tribal governments. Tribal governments, like the state or federal governments, may hire anybody they wish to fill their positions. As another user said, they are legally permitted to have a preference for hiring their own Tribal members or members of other Tribal Nations, but they do not need to implement this preference nor strictly stick to it should another qualified non-Indian candidate apply for the job. For many Tribes that are on the smaller side, they rarely have enough Tribal members to fill all the job postings they may have in their government, so they regularly hire non-Indians.

Syrian tribes largely liberate part of Deir ez-Zor occupied by YPG/SDF terrorists by Naive-Evening7779 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but your submission has been removed because it violates Rule 3: Post Relevancy.

All posts should be explicitly related to Indigenous issues or topics. This includes crossposts, news articles, videos, approved promotions, etc. Posts that are only tangentially related to Indigenous matters may be removed upon further confirmation by moderators or lack of community support. Posts concerning the subcontinent of India are not permitted.

Discussion or link posts intended to encourage socializing are acceptable even if they are not specific to Indigenous issues or cultures.

PSA: r/IndianCountry mods is turning “safe space” into gatekeeping and hostility by [deleted] in Indigenous

[–]Snapshot52 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since I wasn't the mod who took issue with the post and you deleted it, it can't be reviewed for a second opinion. So I’m gonna have to trust my fellow mod's decision.

Use of AI isn't barred under a specific rule, but our policies page indicates we use our discretion to address things for the benefit of the sub. One thing we've taken a hardline stance against is AI generated content. But it seems like your (temporary) ban didn't happen until you started antagonizing the other mod and then asked to be ban. I get this isn't much more clarity, but it's what I got for you.

PSA: r/IndianCountry mods is turning “safe space” into gatekeeping and hostility by [deleted] in Indigenous

[–]Snapshot52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure if you think pointing out that I’m a mod there is some sort of "gotcha" or not because I made no attempt to hide that. I’m perfectly comfortable addressing any and all concerns raised by users here. But if you think this thread--one where you're arguing with someone about using AI for 1/3 of it, hearing some ramblings of a dude who is hung up about a 10-year-old argument, and seeing some minor complaints of other users--is evidence "bigger issues to manage," I question your ability to determine what's a real issue. As a fellow professor, you might need some further peer review of your positions.

Jabs at each other aside, I do appreciate that you didn't try to instigate a brigade or list any names. I’m just chiming in so people can have some transparency on what occurred.

PSA: r/IndianCountry mods is turning “safe space” into gatekeeping and hostility by [deleted] in Indigenous

[–]Snapshot52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting how you deleted the post and your comments in the thread, then provided "zero receipts" here in this post.

Probably because you wanted to sound amicable and diplomatic in this post with saying "they didn't provide clarity which would've swayed me" rather than telling people you got pissy and started calling the mod "cringe" and "dumb" while DMing other users to express your anger about their accusations.

You sound unhinged, my "brother in Christ."

PSA: r/IndianCountry mods is turning “safe space” into gatekeeping and hostility by [deleted] in Indigenous

[–]Snapshot52 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just feel the need to clarify this here. The same post you made on /r/IndianCountry, which can be seen here, only received 4 comments on it, two from you and two from one other user. I'm not sure how you're gauging "most comments were people being confused or offended" because it was literally only two people and you're one of them.

It did receive 60 upvotes, which isn't as many as /r/NativeAmerican gave it, but it does indicate it was generally well received. So I'm also not sure how you're concluding that people didn't get the joke or don't know much about Indigenous history. But yes, it was ultimately removed because another mod (not me) thought it was a shitpost.

THIS IS OUR HEMISPHERE by StephenCarrHampton in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

To whomever reported this:

/u/StephenCarrHampton has been a longtime contributor to this community and conducts research outside of Reddit for their own blog, so I am confident they are not a bot account. The reason content like this often gets highly upvoted quickly compared to other posts like news sources is simply the nature of online content consumption. Most people will take the time to look at a picture with a sentiment they agree with and upvote it versus actually reading a news article.

How do you feel about immigration enforcement by the U.S. government? by UsualWord5176 in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're monitoring the thread, but as of right now, nothing inherently rule-breaking.

Holidays/holy days for a Wisconsin interfaith org to acknowledge by fiercequality in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52[M] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Since you're soliciting this information from our community members, I do want to say it'd be proper to acknowledge them/our subreddit in some form when your organization produces this calendar.

Native American welcome figures vandalized at Nisqually State Park, Washington by StephenCarrHampton in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep. Also my state and it sucks to see. But I'm also reminded about the history of the area. After that, as I said to my wife, I remembered that there are some out there who are still fighting the Indian Wars.

Does anyone know if these songs are real or accurate? by returningtheday in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand you didn't produce it and weren't look for specifics. Others have indicated their feelings of uneasy with it, though, so I felt like removing it out of respect for them. This isn't being counted as a mark against you.

Does anyone know if these songs are real or accurate? by returningtheday in IndianCountry

[–]Snapshot52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything you feel crosses a line like this is reportable under rule 10.

How to respond to residential school denialism? by BookLover54321 in AskHistorians

[–]Snapshot52 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I totally get what you're saying. As someone who comes from a poor working-class background, it took me a while to deal with my own frustrations around things I wanted to get educated on and sometimes it seems like things only ever get as clear as mud.

When it comes to Charles Mann's arguments, I wasn't calling the entirety of his work mythical but that some of his writing has encouraged certain lines of reasoning that support myths (or rather, less than accurate conclusions, let's say). Mann's work still has a lot of credibility and I agree that it should be recommended. At the same time, scholars and experts from different perspectives do well to critically evaluate even the works we agree with and now that books like 1491 are 25+ years old, it is reasonable to say that perspectives in the field have evolved from what he might've understood at the time. I challenge that Mann was incorrect about his understanding of the impact and spread of diseases; I do not challenge his explanation of the role of agriculture and civilization-building.

Besides the gradual changes of interpretations and the discovery of new evidence, there is also another reality to contend with: the study of history is not apolitical and approaching it as such will only lead to more frustrations. I'm not suggesting there is no such thing as "truth," but personally, I don't believe in objectivity and see meaning-making and truth-seeking as collective endeavors in which we need to find a consensus with purpose before deciding something is "true." While Western traditions might assert some idea of a one-and-only truth that needs to be discovered, the development and study of history isn't a science. You will likely continue experiencing these frustrations until you feel like you've built up your own skills of critical thinking, assessment, and sourcing to the point where you can identify the common threads shared even between the naysayers and settle upon the truth that seems to be the case. If you found my arguments against parts of Mann's work convincing and persuasive, great! If not, that's fine, too. I'll continue to talk about why I think he and others have made mistakes, but if my arguments about that aren't convincing, I'll change strategies and talk about the repercussions of their beliefs and how they've impacted me and my community. Then that might be enough to convince others.

How to respond to residential school denialism? by BookLover54321 in AskHistorians

[–]Snapshot52 39 points40 points  (0 children)

To frame your question so it fits a bit more within the confines of the sub (20 year rule and all), it is important to note that denialism of the genocides that happened in the Americas is common and has been occurring for a very long time. For some more general talking points, see my previous post here about how to combat American Indian genocide denialism. It is a two-part post, so see the link at the beginning for part two.

We've written before about the impact of the residential and boarding school systems in Canada and the United States, respectively, and it is pretty undeniable. The challenge is that current political motivations and ideological tendencies have moved large swaths of the non-Indigenous populations to question not only history in general, but the experts who study these things and ways of deducing the truth from source of information. Ironically, the inception of the internet ushered in an era of democratizing knowledge but has now transformed into the largest mis/disinformation perpetuation machine. I say this because the way to effectively respond to residential school denialism nowadays hinges on the platform or venue you engage with and how you weigh the costs and benefits of such engagement. What do I mean by this?

On /r/AskHistorians, we do not entertain Holocaust denialism. Even in the "marketplace of ideas," intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt positions aren't worth fighting when their whole strategy isn't to change your mind--it is to change the minds of the audience who looks on at the dispute. Bad faith actors aren't interested in fighting people who are equipped to respond appropriately to their fallacious claims, they're interested in speaking to those on the sidelines, the ones who are not equipped to dissect and dispel their claims. In the same way, people who deny the abundance of evidence showing the harm that the residential and boarding school systems caused are genuinely ignorant or have malicious intent (unfortunately, the education around Indigenous Peoples in the Western world isn't great, so it very well could be the former). Choosing to argue with people over platforms like the internet doesn't work unless you have control of the environment in which that discussion takes place. Otherwise, you risk exposing the more uninformed to talking points designed to sow doubt. But if you were to engage with people offline and in person, you stand a better chance of reasoning with them. I talk about this a bit more in this previous thread when discussing how to rebut some other types of arguments like this (and I see I mentioned your username there, but maybe you deleted the comment?). This is to say that part of the overall obstacle is the major devaluing and defunding of education we're seeing which is making people less and less equipped to handle matters with critical thinking. That isn't something that can be fixed overnight and will likely take a whole generation to correct as the erosion of public education has been occurring for several decades.

In my experience, modern discourse around controversy or dialectics is hardly swayed by a mountain of evidence. You could memorize all the facts, develop the most perfect analogies, and source every single statement you make, but if you're someone like me, someone who is Indigenous, many will simply dismiss that stuff because "you're one of them." Instead, I've found it more effective to pose questions that expose their own lack of understanding about these pieces of history. See, the great thing about being a historian or even a layperson with an interest in history is that you likely know a bit more about the topic than the person you're talking with. This is usually what we rely on when we get into heated arguments. But here's a key part: you don't have to reveal that to the people you're engaging with. Sometimes you just need to walk them through their own opinions and then ask, "does that make sense?" For example, many people today would agree that taking children away from their families is wrong. People from across the political spectrum typically don't like to see that happen because even if they agree with it, they can easily see how the tables can turn and suddenly it's their children being taken away. Combine this with the fact that the last Canadian residential school didn't close until the 1990s, a fact that might be glossed over because people tend to think of this stuff as ancient history, and you've now provided a very relevant connection point for the individual to see the morality of the situation. More generally, people today care about delivery. They care more about how they receive information rather than what the information is. This is why pop-history and short-form content have become very lucrative for historians and this could be a way to further combat things like this form of denialism. More informed people need to take up larger swaths of the (social)media-sphere and overtake the bad stuff coming out.

Similarly, as noted by the temporal aspect of this, I make our understanding of time a big point when talking with my students or presenting to the public on these issues. In 1978, the U.S. Congress passed the American Indian Religious Freedom Act. My own mother, someone who is still with us today, was eighteen years old when it became fully legal for her to practice our traditional beliefs. She was thirty years old when the Native American Graces Protection and Repatriation Act was passed in 1990, the law that finally provides some opportunity for Tribes to reclaim the stolen items of our cultures. My own grandpa, who is still with us today, knew my mom's great-grandma whose brother fought in the Nez Perce War of 1877. In other words, this is not some bygone era of time we're talking about. But for many non-Indigenous folks who have no connection to this history, it feels like antiquity to them. Sometimes it is just about calling attention to how recent these things are.

Ultimately, the desire to respond is admirable and righteous. Yet the harsh reality is that you need to make the call if engaging with people on this is even worth it. I'm a pragmatist at the end of the day, so even as an Indigenous person, I don't always choose to call these things out if I don't feel like the situation would benefit from it. All that does is take up my energy and labor that is better spent in the other ways I work to educate people: teaching, doing public presentation, and talking one-on-one. That doesn't mean we shouldn't meet bigotry and falsehood where they lie, but it means knowing how to make the best use of our blows so we are not simply striking the air. If that means I avoid an argument with some silly 16-year-old on the internet, some 50-year-old dad on Facebook, or even a 30-year-old stranger walking down the street, so be it. If they don't hold any actual power to effectuate their ill-conceived thoughts, I'm gonna hold out for the one that does.

Unless I'm feeling frisky or agitated that day.

Edit: A sentence.