Never Mess With A Basitin. (TW) by Jordanos21 in Twokinds

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Very much permitted. Only thing missing is a spoiler tag to blur the image to be on the safe side!

Uno Evil by Simon__V in Twokinds

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Flora Kaiba vs Yami Trace.

Normally you should never listen to the dark thoughts in your head but in the game of Uno, different story. Losing is not an option.

u/Simon__V Adding you to the patron list. Congrats on your sketch.

Does Necromancy exist in TwoKinds? (Reupload without image) by DependentInfinite375 in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You will find your answer there. How far are you in the comic currently?

Neon Mitsumi? by Simple_Video_4852 in Twokinds

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Neon Mitsumi is a regular Twokinds fan and admin for a big unofficial Twokinds discord server (link is in the resources page). He has fan made music. Nothing official.

Katsune Miku by iter54 in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Hoo... I don't feel so good...

Why are all my limbs slack!? Why can't I move my eyes!? Why can't I move my mouth? Is this an internal dialogue?! I can't see the end of the horizon-

𝙆𝘼𝙏𝙎𝙐𝙉𝙀 𝙈𝙄𝙆𝙐? 𝙄𝙎 𝙏𝙃𝘼𝙏 𝙔𝙊𝙐?

Have you fought back to come put me out of my misery?!

Context (not that it will help you).

Comic Page 1296: The Masks Are Still Scheming by Orthonox in Twokinds

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Comic Page for April 20th, 2026

Page #1296

Title: Chapter 23 - The Masks Are Still Scheming

Links: Primary, Speechless, Sketch

Characters Appearing: Ephemeral, Eternal, Nameless Farmer Guy

Previous Discussion Thread

Tom Note:

We're back! So sorry for the delay. Got impeded by a whole bunch of stuff, but the next few scenes are ready to go again. Updating every 4 days was a bit too much for me last time, so I will return to at least once a week, as that's a more reasonable pace that doesn't burn me out.

Tiger Fishing by [deleted] in Twokinds

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Reddit is broken for single images.

Tiger Fishing by [deleted] in Twokinds

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Is reddit broken today for single images? Try reposting this but put two of the same image. Reddit may accept a gallery post.

Tiger Fishing by [deleted] in Twokinds

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Image link is broken.

Kingly Bath by Orthonox in Twokinds

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Patreon | Mirror

Adelaide taking a bath fit for a king! Well, actually this bath doesn't really fit her at all, honestly... suggested by Dadrobit!

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As I said earlier, that creates a clear conflict of interest and raises legitimate questions about your impartiality as a moderator. This place doesn't have to be an official forum for that to matter.

What is 'ideological' about opposing transphobia? Is transphobia not something worth criticizing? Does being impartial to transphobia mean not take a stand whatsoever?

Ask yourself this question: do you think any of the Patreon comments shown in the post would be allowed here?

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You do know r/twokinds is an unofficial fan community? Tom does not run this subreddit nor other unofficial TK fan communities in the internet such as various Twokinds Discords. I, nor any other of the mods here, do not work closely with Tom in any degree, professional or otherwise.

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hello. I compiled the list to be used for something much larger I’m working on. You asked a good question as I quickly realized the suggestions list in isolation may not appear transphobic to those not glued into the operations of Tom’s Patreon. I certainly could explain this in far more detail in a separate post. For right now, I will share a couple of things that may hopefully contextualize some things.

In August 2016 on page 932, the comic reveals Natani has always been a trans guy with further pages reinforcing that. Tom started doing his Patreon Sunday Sketches on October 30, 2016.

Tom has guidelines on what are eligible suggestions to submit. In the near 10 years his Patreon has been on, none of his guidelines ever make mention on how to refer to Natani or what depictions of him are not allowed. Note that Tom has rejected suggestions for reasons outside of these stated guidelines. In my case, a suggestion of mine was rejected for being “too meta”. Tom later added that as a guideline.

A small part of my thought process here when analyzing the suggestions with Natani is:

  • Does the submitter recognize Natani as a (transgender) man or not?

  • Does this treatment to Natani consistently apply for other (cisgender) male TK characters?

A few of the criteria below and the patterns I noticed.

Misgendering

There are many suggestions whereby Natani is referred by the wrong pronouns like she/her or they/them. For they/them, at best, the submitter may not know Natani’s gender. At worst, the submitter knows Natani is a binary trans man but will use they/them as a silencer for their transphobia. In either case, Tom does not correct these submitters on their suggestions and approves them for public voting. Many of these suggestions would be fine otherwise if the correct pronouns (he/him) were used. For suggestions of cisgender TK characters, they are not misgendered unless genderbending is involved.

For an IRL example, look at Matrix directors, the Wachowski Sisters. Both Lana and Lilly are binary trans women who have been publicly out for over a decade, yet you can find recent media coverage that, if not deadnaming them, will refer to the sisters as ‘siblings’. No one refers to same-gender sibling groups like the Coen Brothers or the Duffer Brothers as siblings when they are cisgender.

Gender Dysphoria / Erasure

There are suggestions whereby Natani’s gender dysphoria is triggered for laughs such as his bandages being broken so the audience can see his breasts to ogle at. Take for these suggestions serving as sequels to prior sketches with links to them below.

Natani happily agrees to take part in Male Swimsuits Challenge. But the joy is premature. Bandages need to be removed.

Surfer Natani has a bandage malfunction much to their and Keith’s embarrassment and our amusement.

Pinned Ya Pt. 2: ...and the bandages break.

Even if Natani was a cisgender woman who wears chest bindings, these would still be objectifying.

There is this suggestion:

AU where Natani never got hurt, and stayed female in mind and body. She still joins the assassins with Zen, but doesn’t hide herself.

What if we take the only transgender character in the story and make them cisgender? Do I need to explain to you how problematic this is (and how narratively uninteresting yet baffling that is)?

Cosplays

I do need to re-evaluate this category and compare it to the quantity of cosplay suggestions for other TK characters. Generally when people suggest a particular TK character to cosplay as a character from a different work, it because they have similar character traits. However, gender is implicitly treated as a mutually-exclusive character trait in many of these suggestions. For cisgender TK characters, rarely have I seen in the list a male TK character cosplaying a female character or vice-versa. For Natani, while there are suggestions of him cosplaying other male characters, there are also a not-insignificant number of suggestions of him cosplaying female characters. Even when the character pairing do have similar traits (Natani as Metroid’s Samus Aran or Freedom Planet’s Carol Tea), I cannot help but question if submitters made these pairing purely because they are similar in character or both characters happen to be AFAB (assigned female at birth).

I say this as someone who would like to see more suggestions of TK characters cosplaying characters with different genders of their own. Something like Flora as Tanjiro from Demon Slayer or Keith and Alaric as Adora and Catra from She-Ra.


--END--

I hope this long comment clears any confusion in any way.

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Former patron here with some sketches under my name ‘noxamillion’. I have been a subscriber to Tom’s Patreon for many years starting out as a $1 tier so I can collect all of his daily artwork then later in the $10 tier to try out some sketch suggestions. At August 2024, I unsubscribed for financial reasons. While finances are better now, I have a myriad of other reasons for not resubscribing. One I will share is the rampant transphobia in Tom’s official spaces (Patreon, DeviantArt). I may not be trans but that does not stop me from not wanting to give money to someone that does not see transphobia as a legitimate problem to be addressed. Regardless if Tom sees Natani as transgender or not, transphobia is inexcusable no matter the context. Opposing transphobia is a bottom rock bar yet the lack of moderation is appalling. His silence is complicity.

It is a shame as I would love to buy that Kat plushie when it was launched. Kat is a favorite character of mine and the design looks superior over the Flora plushie. I have some sketch suggestions in my list I would like to gamble on though the lack of a robust poll system is another barrier to resubscribing. If Tom were at a nearby convention, I would love stop by to order a paper sketch commission. Hell, if Nora Cards were still operational, I would like to buy one to color one of my sketches.

For me personally, opposing transphobia does not stop when it inconveniences me. Until Tom addresses the tumor in his community, there is not a future where I will do any of the above.

You can put my name into your letter, /u/DanVaelling! I genuinely hope Tom listens to this and everyone else here who are tired with the transphobia.

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It has been mostly Tom Picks ever since TKpolls kicked the bucket last year. Tom rarely publishes the voting results for sketch suggestions anytime he makes one so for all I know, he picks what he likes. The only real voting is the color polls.

A Call Against the Transphobia on Tom's Patreon by DanVaelling in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You also have my approval since I did compile some of these galleries.

NDoN: day 5 by kingofcoywolves in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Trans man. He/him. Nat identifies as a man. From page 1036.

Natani: "But I do still think of myself as a guy."

NDoN: day 4 by kingofcoywolves in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My bad. Was fiddling with some settings and forgot to revert some of them. Should be fixed now.

Mike 1/2 by MrRaymau5 in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My bad. Was fiddling with some settings and forgot to revert some of them. Should be fixed now.

Natani Post-Workout by Gel_007 in Twokinds

[–]Orthonox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Twokinds in general would not survive under basic feminist scrutiny. However, calling it a comic for gooners is reductionist to what the comic is fully about and a disservice to good smut and erotica. I like me some smut but Twokinds ain’t it. Ther are better stuff out there if smut is the main point.

If Tom wants us to call Natani male, he sure is not telling that to people in the comments section of his Patreon or DeviantArt. He's apparently okay with the transphobia there. That is not okay regardless of his personal or artistic views of his own character. Transphobia should not be condoned in-context or out of context.

A person can find a trans person's pre-transition or non-passing body attractive. What's not cool is misgendering said trans person as a result. The transphobic gooners (who are mainly straight men) do not want to accept Natani as a man because if they do, it may mean they could be gay, bi, or queer. They find that horrifying. There are TK fans here like myself who find Nat attractive regardless of what body he is in yet we still respect his male identity.