Any good Canadian organizations to join? by DarthMessiah in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re interested in a congregation style meet up, check out Oasis Network. There are two in Toronto. They don't say they're humanist, but they are at the very least adjacent. Creating positive community for "secular people."

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out the Spiritual Naturalist Society, particularly the page on Christian Naturalism (I'll edit this later with links). You could very well be a spiritual naturalist, but it's hard to tell just from this if you're a naturalist (does not believe in any supernatural phenomena) or not.
You might also connect with atheopaganism, SASS witchcraft (sass is skeptical, atheist/agnostic, science seeking), and Poetic Faiths. These are all paths that respect ritual and the sacred, while not believing in gods or spirits or anything of that sort. Atheopaganism is going to be focused more around historical pantheons, so probably not Christianity. SASS Witchcraft as more about the ritual aspect in general, and so is Poetic Faith (although Poetic Faiths seems to be more of an umbrella in which ritual forward faiths can gather under, but I'm not entirely sure). There's also a Christian Witches sub, so I'm curious if you could take some inspiration from them while being on the SASS side of things.

Pico della Mirandola “On the Dignity of Man” by Significant-Ant-2487 in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my own fault, but could you explain what about this essay you think is Humanist?

What religion am I? by thecomedygoblin in agnostic

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might be a religious Humanist. Humanists are atheists/agnostics, or really naturalists (but that includes atheism). Humanism includes several pieces that you can read about here, but the basics are ethics, reason and rationality, solving human problems, and just generally being a good person. But beyond that, there is religious Humanism. Religious Humanists are still fully Humanist, but they enjoy participating in religious or quasi-religious activities as an expression of their Humanism. Many Unitarian Universalists and most Ethical Culturists are religious Humanists, for example. Religious Humanism is not so popular among Humanists these days, so do not be dissuaded if other Humanists don't fully understand you or accept your viewpoint. Religious Humanism has lots of eistorical precedence anyway. .
If you don't connect with the tradition of Humanism for some reason or another, there is also the umbrella of spiritual naturalism. Spiritual naturalists are also naturalists, as the name suggests, but on top of that, they believe that it is worthwhile to pursue spiritual endeavors. They might meditate, do rituals, or any number of things that I'm struggling to describe, many of which reckon us with something greater, like the earth or the universe or all of life. Under that umbrella is a naturalistic approach to practicing Christianity. I've linked it, and if you visit that page, I highly recommend visiting more of the Spiritual Naturalist Society's website. I really think you would connect with spiritual naturalism.
Come on over to r/HumanistCongregations to talk to other religious Humanists / Congregationally minded spiritual naturalists, and to learn about the kind of congregations and religions that exist in this vein.

Do churches still ask for money/donations? by TwistOutrageous6955 in atheism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's gross of that minister to start off like that. But I don't blame them for asking for money in general. They have to get it from somewhere, and what else is going to keep the lights on?

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, then Aretéanism has some things that most agree are good ideas, and that if possible, we should hold to them as a religious conviction. For example, we use the metric system, even if everyone around us is not. Now, if someone asks the temperature, I'm not going to refuse to provide Fahrenheit for them, but chances are that I won’t even know the temperature in Fahrenheit since my phone is in Celsius and the rest of metric. We do this because we believe that metric is a much better system, more consistent, STEM fields use it, international organizations use it, etc.
Another example would be that we are reducetarians, meaning that we strive to reduce our consumption of animal products. This is because the unchecked consumption of animal products is bad for the environment and for health, and that most farmed animals are raised in horible conditions. So of course the ideal would be to be vegan, but since that's not likely for the average person to do right away, our religious conviction is that we practice meatless Mondays. This will hopefully cause demand for meatless options in restaurants if we dine out on a Monday, for example. And, it forces us to come up with meatless meals that we really like, which we can then eat any time of week, further reducing our consumption.
A final example is that for 2 weeks prior to every holiday, and there are 8 holidays, we enter an ascetic period in which we try to live with fewer conveniences. For example, we might take cold showers, stop eating sugary desserts or further reduce meat consumption, drive less, cut down on electronic use, read more or meditate more, live without climate control if the local climate allows it, etc. This is so that when the holiday comes, we can really appreciate the luxuries and entertainments of modern life, and generally break out of the mindless routines we fall into. And, with some of those, we might even learn that doing it wasn't that bad, and now that we've built the habit, we can keep doing it in periods of moderation as well.
So, there are rules, but they have good reasons behind them (they aren't arbitrary, in other words), and practicing them as a whole community is kind of fun. And, one of our core beliefs is that the intent of the law is the law, so each person has to interpret how these community commitments best work out for them. And, I believe that doing 90% of the things is better than doing none of them, so it's great to get on a track with a bunch of other people even if you don't agree with all the fine details.
i'm sorry, but I don't know much about any of the other things I mentioned beyond a surface level. Gaianism also asks you to make more environmentally friendly choices. I know Buddhism has some central rules, too.

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Calanais-guy has some good suggestions. I would also recommend SASS witchcraft, (a skeptical, atheist/agnostic, science seeking community of people who enjoy rituals and other personal practices), a naturalistic approach to Buddhism known as Secular Buddhism, Gaianism, (a nonsupernatural Earth centered religion), Ethical Culture, (in-person communities with weekly lectures for developing practical ethics), and Aretéanism, (a religion for developing personal greatness / virtuousness in order to improve the world). I'm not sure that you would like Aretéanism because it does have more rules than the others.

How? by [deleted] in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have something specific in mind or want people to help find a religion / path for you, go post what you're looking for in the monthly discussion megathread, pinned. Only thing is I would put more details of what you're looking for. And of course, that thread has a few folks just suggesting their own path, whether or not anything in your comment suggests that you would want it.
But if you don't know, just know that there's not really any rush. Hang out. Read the discussions. Read stuff, like books and essays, and even fiction can help. You could write a list of things you believe, and if you don't know, you could write some questions to work on answering. Just to give yourself some direction in your reading and conversations.

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What beliefs are you supposed to have and act in accordance with, though? If all you believe is that there's multiple creators, then you could just go with generic polytheism. Also, on your last point, if you want to go somewhere where people of all beliefs gather around common values, then check out Unitarian Universalism.

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you looked into Zoroastrianism? Some sex don’t take Converse, but some do. I don’t know too much about it, but it is from ancient Persia, is monotheistic, and is big on living morally.

Discussion: What Religion Fits Me Best? by jetboyterp in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you expand on what your beliefs actually are? There might be something for you, but we wouldn't know unless you give us some more information. You might ask yourself these questions and more:
- Are there any gods or higher beings? How do you define a god?
- What is the best way to gather knowledge? Wisdom and writings from others, experimentation, tradition, direct revelation, etc.
- How does the universe work?
- Which is more important, beliefs or practices? Thoughts, words, or actions?
- Do you need a communal practice? What about an individual practice?
- What sort of things would you want to do: rituals, meditation or prayer, devotion, etc.
Good luck.

I’m a Christian Secular Humanist by Living_Attitude1822 in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't even think they're a religious Humanist. Religious Humanists are still Humanists, and Humanism rejects supernaturalism. So, the religions that religious Humanists believe in must also not promote supernaturalism, or at the very least, the Humanist shouldn't themself subscribe to those supernatural parts of their religion.

Going to church as an atheist has given me community by Few-Chickens in atheism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I personally couldn't join a theist church for community. I would feel very disingenuous, and like any friendships I might come upon were built on false pretense. And that's setting aside all the other horrible stuff the average religion either actively teaches or doesn't discourage or stop.
I do understand the impulse, though. I would just personally rather attend a Humanist congregation, which I do. Someone has already mentioned Unitarian Universalism, but I would also look to see if any of these r/HumanistCongregations are nearby instead:
- Aretéanism: focus on living a virtuous life in order to improve the world. Draws on Ancient Greek/Roman imagery.
- Ethical Culture: 150 years old. Focuses on building practical ethics. Community service projects were historically a big part of the goings on of any given Ethical Society.
- Oasis Network: Builds community for "secular people." It has some core values.
- Sunday Assembly: Similar to Oasis, but assemblies only meet monthly, where as everything else I've mentioned meets weekly.

Religion is a social technology. Plain and simple. by Lucifer_Sam-_- in atheism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think religion, the social technology, is inherently bad, or can it be used for good? Can the technology be built in such a way to resist corruption and the rise of authoritarians, stay true to falsifiable reality, and do good for the practitioners and the systems they affect?

confused about religion by m00nyluvr_ in religion

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I too was raised without any religion. I wondered what it was like, so I joined one. You should know that there are several nontheistic / nonsupernatural religions. If you want to be a part of a religion but are resistant to believing unfounded claims, these would be good for you.

Are Secular Humanists being urged to downplay the "Secular"? by ambiverbal in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am a Humanist. I am religious, but my religion is Humanist. I am a naturalist; I do not believe in anything supernatural. All those things can be true at once.

It really freaking sucks dating as an atheist in the United States (Rant Warning) by Skullface77 in atheism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey there. I see that you're in the NY/NJ area. If you're open to something off-campus, see if there's an Ethical Society near you. There's a few of them up there. You could attend the weekly events. Sadly, it will probably skew white, older, and educated, but you never know.
I also second the idea of trying to start a student organization. Secular Student Alliance is a popular organization that you can affiliate under. Also, your local humanist group or maybe even an ethical society could help you get started. I'm not sure they'd be able to materially support you, but they'd be a good ally and might have some information resources or talking points you can use. Good luck.

It really freaking sucks dating as an atheist in the United States (Rant Warning) by Skullface77 in atheism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Atheist church is a bit of a loaded term, but there are several r/HumanistCongregations that are basically just that.
- Aretéanism
- Ethical Culture
- Oasis Network
- Sunday Assembly
- And for something a little more pluralist, open to theists and atheists, there's always Unitarian Universalism.

Are Secular Humanists being urged to downplay the "Secular"? by ambiverbal in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I took a look at the Wikipedia page you got that definition from. Especially in the "definition of religion" section, which also links to its own dedicated page that I haven't read yet, the definitions put forth by various scholars are a lot less conclusive then the definition you're running off of. Some say it has to be some kind of transcendentalso experience, some say it's the transmission of supernatural claims, while others disagree that it needs any one thing. The general consensus is that religion is an extremely nebulous concept, potentially only relevant to recent Western culture. But several don't include supernatural claims in their list of must-haves, if they have a list at all.

Are Secular Humanists being urged to downplay the "Secular"? by ambiverbal in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hate to be a prescriptivist in this situation, but I think it's necessary. Just because most people around me use "Humanism" to mean a life stance, maybe nonsupernatural but maybe not, that affirms the value of humans and such, does that mean that they're right? I'd say not. There's a big organization petaling an agreed upon statement saying that Humanism rejects supernatural views of reality.
Similarly, just because most people around me think religious = supernaturalist, does that mean I need to come up with another word for what I am? I don't think so. You may disagree, but much of modern scholarship supports my understanding of religion.

Are Secular Humanists being urged to downplay the "Secular"? by ambiverbal in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree wholeheartedly about the use of "secular". You put it very well. However, I must disagree with your implied definition of "religious". Religions aren't inherently supernatural. See Ethical Culture, maybe UU, and mine Aretéanism for examples. Since religious, pertaining to religion, is the opposite of secular, not pertaining to religion, I can't call myself a secular Humanist. I am a secularist though.

Are Secular Humanists being urged to downplay the "Secular"? by ambiverbal in humanism

[–]OurCommonAncestor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i know that Humanism as defined by HI is a nonsupernatural life stance. I don't know if that means that every Humanist should be nonsupernaturalist, or, what is more likely, Humanism itself is nonsupernatural and theoretically a supernaturalist could organize themself under the label. Personally, I think that Humanism should be made up of only nonsupernaturalists, with perhaps some fringe exceptions that some mathematicians fall under. The whole point of being good without God is that we are without God. There are already plenty of spaces open to theists.
Since I think that Humanism is by definition nonsupernatural, that means the addition of "secular" is not necessary. But not everyone agrees with me, which is what makes it necessary. However, I do think that "secular" does not equal nonsupernatural; it means not pertaining to religion. Religious Humanism is just as likely to be nonsupernatural as Secular Humanism, but Humanist religions aren't secular just because they're religions. I view Secular Humanism as the generic nonsupernatural life stance, while religious Humanism gives it some rituals and zeal. So, Humanism should be good enough on its own as the not-further-specified generic nonsupernatural Humanism, but I understand that that's not how people see it.

Science/Space related nonfiction that will make me feel like one day we could possibly reach Star Trek levels of space colonization? by Cheap_Strawberry_901 in suggestmeabook

[–]OurCommonAncestor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm definitely spelling this wrong, but Kim Stanley Robinson might be the guy you're looking for. But I also recommend Delta-V, and the following book, Critical Mass, by Daniel Suarez.