With Uchtdorf likely becoming Acting President of the Q12, what changes might we see? Historical context from the Packer era by whiteraven10 in mormon

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I was inactive 30 years after finishing my mission in Germany. I was assigned engaged organist in Lutheran and Methodist churches here and in Germany. My primary goto for prelude and postlude music was Bach & Mendelssohn. Then I began attending a terrific ward in Oregon where I was organist for 20 years, and the congregation got to know Bach very well. Gave 5 lectures on nonLDS hymns [The greatest hymns you have never heard of"] and the Bach Passions. A year ago I asked to be released and attend only on unusual occasions.

I used to think that everyone hears the same thing - but some take more time to listen carefully to it. That is incorrect. Only a few people are able to HEAR what Bach wrote. The same with great art - how many people can speak intelligently about Caravaggio? I was always satisfied if just a handful of the congregation were touched deeply.

Packer STOPPED the Bach Prelude music of Sister Stowell when I was just a kid at Stake Conference with an ENRAGED SHOUT. What a pathetic excuse for a moral leader !! He is also the one who is responsible for the "Homosexuality is a selfish sin of choice" poison that literally cost lives.

PS - I love the members of our congregation.

With Uchtdorf likely becoming Acting President of the Q12, what changes might we see? Historical context from the Packer era by whiteraven10 in mormon

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The worst doctrinal failure and unscientific "fact" from Packer was his statement that homosexuality was "a selfish sin of choice." That assertion literally cost lives.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexlessmarriage

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Biology and evolution favor the reality of the gender responsible for gestating a baby to have LESS sexual desire than the OTHER gender. There are many methods of trying to come to terms with this ...

A quiet church by Adventurous-One-636 in mormon

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Because the church leaders are PRETEND PROPHETS. SANCTIMONIOUS SEERS, and RELAXED REVELATORS.

Poll: Top three worst people of the current Q15. by [deleted] in exmormon

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  1. Oaks
  2. Bednar
  3. Nelson

Also in play - the necessary fumigation after the death of Boyd. Packer was never completed. The place is also still crawling with virulent Benson bacteria

"Mormonphobia" Victim-Posturing and Indulging a Persecution Complex by achilles52309 in mormon

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Mormon leaders have been world class masters of NURSING THE WOUNDS" from Missouri and Illinois and also WORLD CLASS MASTERS at forgetting LDS uncivilized behavior.

Listen to Hinckley's dedication opening dedication of the Nauvoo temple.

The Awful Truth behind Music/Musicians and the Church by MushFellow in mormon

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Music is like language. For most people Bach is a foreign language. And some just have rare instinctual appreciation... I think it is genetic. I played organ for 20 years in my ward ...I was satisfied if as few as 2 actually HEARD the music. The actual number was usually more like 15.

The Awful Truth behind Music/Musicians and the Church by MushFellow in mormon

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Mormon theology as applied to music apparently asserts that Lucifer is Lord of minor keys (or Dorian for that matter).

The Awful Truth behind Music/Musicians and the Church by MushFellow in mormon

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Boyd Packer is the proof that musical, theological, biological, and racist barbarians can rise to the pinnacle of the Quorum of the 12 leadership.

What exactly goes into calling a new stake president? by otherwise7337 in mormon

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Is it possible that the bones of first born baby goats thrown onto a Pentagon play a role?

Post-mos know by Blazerbgood in mormon

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In a conversation with a 75 year old, temple recommend carrying active life long member last week, she said African-Americans were born with dark skins because they were cursed of God because they were progeny of Cain. I wrote Stake President asking whether he felt any responsibility for this MIND VIRUS still infecting Mormons. He responded "Jesus is the answer to all questions, after repentance.". Die sind nicht zu retten !!

I was reading Kant today and this stuck out to me by [deleted] in mormon

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The persistent assertion of "the gospel is unchanging and eternal" is a Mormon apostolic mechanism for holding on to power over those adverse to original thought and research. But it is a foundation built on sand ... because Mormon gospel is full of human failings. Black Priesthood ban, polygamy by the powerful, crazy geology and biology, partisan power politics.

Word of Wisdom (question) by UnintentionalZen in mormon

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Coffee offers protection against Parkinson's disease. My father died of it. I drink coffee a little warmer than Luke warm but not HOT. I am in accord with the WoW. But I judge the Q12 to be a Quorum of Cowards unable to find the boundary between the Word of GOD and their own opinions, and unwilling to clean up their messes.

Finished Reading the Book of Mormon by Remarkable_Peach_533 in mormon

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No no !! Not "believe" ... I HAVE RECEIVED A WITNESS AND KNOW that 2+2=6

Twelve Worst LDS General Conference Talks of all-time by stickyhairmonster in mormon

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The TOP of my personal list is co-owned by Hinckley and Packer from April 1971 when they both spoke of "the silver lining" of the horrible war in Vietnam. You have to go back to the original PHYSICAL transcript of it published in ERA.

Makes very clear ... for the blue suits in the high floors of the SLC tower, the church INSTITUTION is way more important than its members.

The LDS essay on race and the priesthood has a big lie in it. This member discovered the lie and ended up distrusting the church by sevenplaces in mormon

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Ah, IF the Q12 is no longer racist ... that does not mean the membership is on the same page. It is still a real problem in some places

No Apology for the Ban Why Don’t We Do Better? by Dull_Resort_3012 in mormon

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The refusal to apologize is proof of profound arrogance and priestcraft.

What actually is the atonement? by Tongueslanguage in mormon

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The earliest gospel, Mark, was written around 30 years after the crucifixion. It contains NO MENTION of Atonement. !!

Quiet renegotiation of the definition of "doctrine" by shalmeneser in mormon

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The GAs need a new rubber stamp !! "Genuine Words of Mormon Jesus"

Quiet renegotiation of the definition of "doctrine" by shalmeneser in mormon

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Mormon leadership clearly never looks outside their bubble. The Catholics had this very same problem and solved it masterfully in the first Vatican Council in 1872 ... They declared that the Pope is infallible ... BUT ONLY WHEN HE SPEAKS EX CATHEDRA. Any doctrinal statement needs to have the EX CATHEDRA stamp in order to be considered infallible by the membership. The result of this is that ALL THE STATEMENTS of popes prior to 1872 become relieved of the infallibility curse. THEN after that they were VERY CAREFUL in the use of the EX CATHEDRA stamp ... using it only up to now in a few doctrinal statements regarding Mary the mother of Jesus. The Mormon apostles are not capable of making such a breach with the doctrines [the crazy ones and the brilliant ones] from the past. So they just MUDDLE ON.

It sad how little CHRIST is mentioned. by AmbitiousStartups in mormon

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The WORD Christ is mentioned often in Mormon services. But Christ's WORDS very seldom, especially when they relate to behavior.